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Monday, October 08, 2012

Division Series Day Three OMNICHATTER

Nationals (98-64) @ Cardinals (88-74), 4.30pm
  WSN: Jordan Zimmerman (26, RHP, 12-8, 2.94)
  STL: Jaime Garcia (26, LHP, 7-7, 3.92)

Yankees (95-67) @ Orioles (93-69), 8.00pm
  NYY: Andy Pettitte (40, LHP, 5-4, 2.87)
  BAL: Wei-Yin Chen (27, LHP, 12-11, 4.02)

fra paolo Posted: October 08, 2012 at 02:35 PM | 537 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   301. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:12 PM (#4259829)
So if you're going to be out at home by a mile, just don't let the catcher get you. Hide in the dugout until no one is looking, then score the run.

I think the beginning of the next play kind of ends your chances.
   302. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:12 PM (#4259830)

Mention of Maryland State Troopers [ ]
Ichiro does something awesome [X ]
Matt Wieters does something awesome [ ]
Runner stranded in scoring position [ X ]
Somebody suggests that Cal go down there and put on an Orioles uniform [ ]
Shapeshifting Strike Zone [ ]
Replay review [ ]
Conradian Play [ ]
Mention of Boog's Barbecue [ ]
Fort McHenry mentioned [ ]
Derek Jeter called "Clutch" [ ] (Called a "future Hall of Famer" [ ])
Orioles get a one-run lead at any point of the game []
Number of runs scored by either team individually is greater than or equal to number of combined touchdowns, safeties and field goals by the NY Jets tonight []
1-2-3-4-5-6 inning [ ]
Play at the plate [X] (See: "Ichiro does something awesome")
Yankees have a multi-run inning in the 7th or later [ ]
Web Gem [ ]
Oriole HoFer shoutout chart: Palmer [ ] F. Robinson [ ] B.Robinson [ ] Weaver [ ] Murray [ ] Ripken [X] Any of the St. Louis Brown HoFers (Rick Ferrell, George Sisler or Bobby Wallace) [ ]
It rains [X]
Mention that this may be Jim Thome's last season [ ]
Mention of Nick Swisher's upcoming free agency and his rumored demands [ ]
Shot of Girardi looking at his binder [ ]
Discussion as to whether the Orioles will be competitive next season [ ]
Buck Showalter as Yankee skipper [ ]
Orioles extra-inning streak mentioned [ ]
Strike out of side [ ]
"Babe Ruth was born in Baltimore" or a similar statement [ ]
Past a diving Jeter [ ]
Brett Gardner pinch-runs [ ]
   303. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:15 PM (#4259834)
I was sitting in a part of the lower deck that was far back enough where there were TVs showing the TBS feed, which allowed us to see replays when the rest of the stadium hadn't. I imagine that most of the booing over the Ichiro call (besides the usual "boo when the other team scores" stuff) was NOT coming from those sections.
Fans boo every call that goes against their team. I heard boos a couple of times about strike three not being called, as the catcher turns around to hand the ball to the umpire, because it was in the dirt.
   304. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:15 PM (#4259835)
Nice inning by Chen. He actually has done pretty well so far, hampered by Reynolds' error and the Amazing Ichiro and his Acrobatic Contortionry.
   305. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:17 PM (#4259836)
I am still kind of amazed. Did the 3B coach send Ichiro? He's not that fast - the ball beat him easily.
   306. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:17 PM (#4259837)
Fans boo every call that goes against their team. I heard boos a couple of times about strike three not being called, as the catcher turns around to hand the ball to the umpire, because it was in the dirt.


Yeah. It's just the nature of being a fan. But it's harder to do in person when you then see the replay... but easier to do it if you want to follow TBS' strikezone thing.
   307. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:18 PM (#4259840)
The umpires must HATE the TBS strikezone thing. Instant second-guessing (although I've seen more "The ump was actually right" plays than blown ones at the plate).
   308. Lassus Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:19 PM (#4259841)
The runner establishes his own baseline, three feet in either direction from a direct line to home plate. Only part of you needs to be in the baseline, and I think Ichiro was.

I'm not good enough to immediately replay and freeze-frame his farthest spot as evidence, but it didn't seem so to me. (Note - still an awesome play, but I'm just surprised it went without an argument or note from the broadcast.)
   309. Fat Al Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:20 PM (#4259844)
I am still kind of amazed. Did the 3B coach send Ichiro? He's not that fast - the ball beat him easily.


Yeah, I don't get that. Of course, no discussion or replay of why Ichiro was a dead duck at home.
   310. salajander Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:22 PM (#4259846)
They mentioned the great field and relay throws on TBS, thought they spent much more time on Suzuki's acrobatics.
   311. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:23 PM (#4259849)
I'm not good enough to immediately replay and freeze-frame his farthest spot as evidence, but it didn't seem so to me. (Note - still an awesome play, but I'm just surprised it went without an argument or note from the broadcast.)
I don't think it's "farthest spot", it's where you are when the tag is being attempted, and before that. Once you've avoided the tag, if momentum carries you out of the baseline, you only need to continue heading directly towards the next base -- you're no longer avoiding the tag, you've already avoided it.
   312. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:26 PM (#4259853)
Also, Angel Hernandez sucks, so I'm thinking I'll mark "Shapeshifting Strikezone" as a matter of course.
   313. salajander Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:27 PM (#4259856)
That outside strike wasn't quite Gregg-esque, but it was outside.
   314. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:27 PM (#4259857)
Chen is a nice little pitcher. Good velocity, smooth mechanics.
   315. salajander Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:29 PM (#4259858)
Every time Wieters is shown or mentioned, both by wife and I say "weiters!" as though we were 6-year-olds saying "wieners!"
   316. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:30 PM (#4259859)
Ichiro looks like Thom Yorke.
   317. Blastin Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:30 PM (#4259860)
A-Rod with another liner.
   318. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:31 PM (#4259862)
Chen is pitching better than his pitching line probably says.
   319. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:33 PM (#4259866)
Chen is pitching better than his pitching line probably says.
No earned runs.
   320. Good cripple hitter Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:33 PM (#4259867)
I will never get tired of watching Ichiro score that run.
   321. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:34 PM (#4259869)
I will never get tired of watching Ichiro score that run.


Nor will I- and I'm, well, me.
   322. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:37 PM (#4259875)
Jimmy Thom will hit a tater before the end of this series. If he doesn't, he will return, in search of one more tater.
   323. Lassus Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:39 PM (#4259877)
I will never get tired of watching Ichiro score that run.
Nor will I- and I'm, well, me.


Man, I'm not usually this curmudgeonly, but it just seems more like something Wieters screwed up than Ichiro accomplished.




OH GOOD LORD IT'S DIPERNAISM! DIPERNITIS! HELP ME, DOCTOR! WALTER BISHOP?!?! ANYBODY?

- runs screaming into cold, northern, rural NY blackness -
   324. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:43 PM (#4259881)
Bases loaded with 2 outs. Of course.
   325. bunyon Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:44 PM (#4259884)
That outside strike wasn't quite Gregg-esque, but it was outside.

Well, you see, umpires sometimes make that call - you can find video of the Gregg game where pitches even further outside were called. So, therefore, it was the proper call.
   326. bunyon Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:45 PM (#4259885)
Shove that experience up your needled up ass, Andy.
   327. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:45 PM (#4259886)
Surprised he didn't throw home
   328. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:45 PM (#4259887)
Chris Davis, hero of Birdland.
   329. Davo Dozier Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:45 PM (#4259888)
Smart move by Baltimore's 3rd base coach.
   330. Good cripple hitter Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:45 PM (#4259889)
Man, I'm not usually this curmudgeonly, but it just seems more like something Wieters screwed up than Ichiro accomplished.


You could say that about a lot of great moments in baseball: was Joe Carter's home run a great swing or just a hung slider? Even if you believe that Wieters screwed up badly on that play, very few players could've taken advantage of (or even would've tried to take advantage of) Wieters' gaffe.
   331. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:46 PM (#4259891)
Oh, and, of course, this means the Orioles have a one-run lead. [X]
   332. bunyon Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:46 PM (#4259892)
On the subject of umpires setting precedent, they do always seem to give very wide latitude on the baseline at home plate. If you stay on the dirt, you're basically fine.

I agree with Smoltz (and have heard him say it before) - the catcher should just lay on the plate.
   333. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:49 PM (#4259895)
UNDER THE GLOVE OF A LUNGING JETER
   334. salajander Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:49 PM (#4259896)
JETERIAN RANGE
   335. bunyon Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:49 PM (#4259897)
Under the glove of Jeter!


Why did Hardy stay. Oh hell.
   336. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:50 PM (#4259898)
Bad time for an E-6.
   337. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:50 PM (#4259899)
Clutch defense, and wtf are you doing, Hardy?
   338. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:50 PM (#4259900)
I don't think you can fault Wieters much. I suppose he could have moved into the baseline after he caught the ball, in the time he had waiting for Ichiro. But as for how he dove for him the second time, it's only in hindsight that I'd say he needed to just dive on top of the plate.

WATCH THE COACH!!
   339. bunyon Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:50 PM (#4259901)
Fuch.
   340. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:51 PM (#4259902)
Hit? WTF is the official scorer smoking?
   341. Good cripple hitter Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:51 PM (#4259903)
I can't remember seeing a player stop when the third base coach is windmilling him home so vigorously.
   342. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:51 PM (#4259904)
Hardy hesitated. And as soon as he hesitated, Hale probably figured "screw it, Ichiro has the ball".
   343. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:51 PM (#4259905)
WHY THE HECK DO THESE MLB PLAYERS LOOK FOR THE BALL INSTEAD OF WATCHING THEIR 3B COACH?

I see it all the time and I'm sick of it - if you didn't notice.
   344. bunyon Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:51 PM (#4259906)
I wouldn't fault Wieters much. Basically, a catcher needs to never lose his balance when trying to make a tag, so he can recover if he needs to. But that is a lot easier said than done.
   345. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:51 PM (#4259907)
Can a player block a base by lying on it? If so, why don't the infielders lie on the bases all the time and allow the outfielders to chase down the balls?
   346. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:51 PM (#4259908)
The little singing girl in that Baseball, Apple Pie, and Chevrolet commercial makes me never want to have children.
   347. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:52 PM (#4259909)
Hale waved him all the way.
   348. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:52 PM (#4259910)
Hardy should have watched his 3B coach, but I'm pretty sure he just couldn't believe a major league SS wouldn't get to that ball.
   349. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:52 PM (#4259911)
WHO'S BORING NOW?
   350. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:52 PM (#4259912)
That said, HE SHOULD HAVE SEEN HALE WAVING THOSE ARMS.
   351. Random Transaction Generator Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:52 PM (#4259913)
I thought the 3rd base coach was going to take flight, he was waving that arm hard enough...
I also thought he was going to grab Hardy at the end of the play.

"WTF?! Why did you stop?!"
   352. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:52 PM (#4259914)
Can a player block a base by lying on it? If so, why don't the infielders lie on the bases all the time and allow the outfielders to chase down the balls?


If he has the ball, yes.
   353. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:53 PM (#4259915)
Babe Ruth born in Baltimore [X]
   354. Random Transaction Generator Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:53 PM (#4259916)
Can a player block a base by lying on it? If so, why don't the infielders lie on the bases all the time and allow the outfielders to chase down the balls?


Weiters had the ball, so he's probably allowed to do that.
Infielders without the ball? Probably against the rules.

Edit: Sparkling water with flavour for The Ghost.
   355. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:54 PM (#4259917)
Hardy should have watched his 3B coach, but I'm pretty sure he just couldn't believe a major league SS wouldn't get to that ball.


But it was Jeter.
   356. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:54 PM (#4259918)
Maryland Troopers being idiots [X]
   357. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:54 PM (#4259920)
Babe Ruth, Baltimore product, outside the walls of Camden Yards!!!
   358. bunyon Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:54 PM (#4259921)
I agree completely with 343, 346 and 348.

Yes, I believe if a fielder is in possession of the ball, he can lie on the base. He's just very likely to get spiked in the ribs. Which, come to think of it, is probably why catchers don't do it, either.
   359. charityslave is thinking about baseball Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:55 PM (#4259922)
I wonder if Jeter gets embarrassed on plays like that, where it is obvious that the range is totally gone.
   360. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:55 PM (#4259923)
Infielders without the ball? Probably against the rules.

Yes, it's interference to block the basepath unless the fielder has the ball, or is trying to make a play on the ball.
   361. bunyon Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:55 PM (#4259924)
A-Rod with a deke. Or maybe he couldn't believe Jeter didn't get it.
   362. Random Transaction Generator Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:56 PM (#4259925)
BTW, the second inning was:

1-2-3-4-5-6 inning [X]
   363. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:56 PM (#4259926)
A-Rod probably yelled "I GOT IT!" as well.

/Howie Clark
   364. bunyon Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:57 PM (#4259930)
To be fair, A-Rod would have had it.
   365. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:57 PM (#4259931)
1-2-3-4-5-6 inning [X]


Yeah, I always seem to miss those due to my horrible attention span.
   366. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:58 PM (#4259932)
363, beat me to it.
   367. esseff Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:58 PM (#4259934)
Wieters doesn't have to lay on the plate, but instead of making a lunge for Ichiro behind the plate he should just get his mitt down on top of it and wait for the runner to come to him.
   368. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: October 08, 2012 at 09:59 PM (#4259935)
So if the catcher lies on home plate, with the ball, and the runner is standing nearby, it seems like you'd have a Mexican standoff. The catcher's on the plate, the runner is out of reach. If another player came up and the catcher tossed him the ball, the catcher would no longer be legally on the plate. I guess the catcher could slowly get to his feet, and then you'd have a strange sort of rundown, with the runner circling home plate while the defense tried to tag him while not uncovering the plate.
   369. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 08, 2012 at 10:01 PM (#4259937)
The little singing girl in that Baseball, Apple Pie, and Chevrolet commercial makes me never want to have children.

They'd be taken away soon enough.
   370. bunyon Posted: October 08, 2012 at 10:01 PM (#4259939)
Tex looks like his legs may come off every time he tries to stop.
   371. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 10:01 PM (#4259940)
Oh crud. Where'd I put my oxygen from the WC game?
   372. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: October 08, 2012 at 10:01 PM (#4259941)
I guess the catcher could slowly get to his feet
If Ichiro touched the catcher while he was "slowly getting up", he would probably be safe on interference.
   373. charityslave is thinking about baseball Posted: October 08, 2012 at 10:01 PM (#4259942)
So if the catcher lies on home plate, with the ball, and the runner is standing nearby, it seems like you'd have a Mexican standoff. The catcher's on the plate, the runner is out of reach. If another player came up and the catcher tossed him the ball, the catcher would no longer be legally on the plate. I guess the catcher could slowly get to his feet, and then you'd have a strange sort of rundown, with the runner circling home plate while the defense tried to tag him while not uncovering the plate.


If only Buster Keaton was alive to make this movie!
   374. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: October 08, 2012 at 10:03 PM (#4259945)
THAT was a bad call.
   375. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 08, 2012 at 10:03 PM (#4259946)
Awful!
   376. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 10:04 PM (#4259947)
Angel Hernandez, everyone!
   377. escabeche Posted: October 08, 2012 at 10:04 PM (#4259948)
Thome has been in two ALDS's against the Yankees and was terrible both times. He wants revenge. Then again, Thome may well be DHing in the ALDS for the 2031 expansion Shanghai Mandarins against the Yankees and he'll get his chance then.
   378. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 10:05 PM (#4259949)
Thome has been in two ALDS's against the Yankees and was terrible both times. He wants revenge. Then again, Thome may well be DHing in the ALDS for the 2031 expansion Shanghai Mandarins against the Yankees and he'll get his chance then.



Robo-Thome for MVP!
   379. Davo Dozier Posted: October 08, 2012 at 10:05 PM (#4259950)
Did they call an infield fly there?
   380. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: October 08, 2012 at 10:05 PM (#4259951)
HOW DOES JOHN SMOLTZ NOT KNOW THE INFIELD FLY RULE?!?!
   381. Good cripple hitter Posted: October 08, 2012 at 10:05 PM (#4259952)
"ordinary effort" really should be on the checklist.
   382. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: October 08, 2012 at 10:05 PM (#4259953)
Did they call an infield fly there?
Yes.
   383. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 10:07 PM (#4259954)
I do believe this is the first time the Orioles have grabbed a lead this game and not immediately given it up the next half inning.
   384. esseff Posted: October 08, 2012 at 10:08 PM (#4259958)
Re. 368: Rule 7.08(k) implies, but doesn't explicitly say, that the runner is the one who will have to make his move by trying to get to the plate.
   385. charityslave is thinking about baseball Posted: October 08, 2012 at 10:08 PM (#4259959)
Shut down inning! Awright!
   386. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: October 08, 2012 at 10:11 PM (#4259962)
Why did Jeter run around that ball?
   387. bunyon Posted: October 08, 2012 at 10:11 PM (#4259963)
Experience!
   388. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 10:11 PM (#4259964)
Teixeira stopped that from being possible extra-bases (and stopped it from being Conradian).
   389. charityslave is thinking about baseball Posted: October 08, 2012 at 10:11 PM (#4259965)
This game is not helping Jeters UZR...
   390. bunyon Posted: October 08, 2012 at 10:11 PM (#4259967)
That was Thome's pitch.
   391. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 10:14 PM (#4259971)
I applaud Jim Thome's attempt to navigate the perilous Sea of Angel Hernandez.
   392. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: October 08, 2012 at 10:17 PM (#4259974)
The home plate umpiring is completely awful. Pettitte is just throwing nothing but balls 2" off the plate.
   393. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 10:18 PM (#4259976)
Angel Hernandez.
   394. cardsfanboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 10:20 PM (#4259979)
I wonder if Jeter gets embarrassed on plays like that, where it is obvious that the range is totally gone.


Nope, because it wasn't there years ago either, and he still receives gold glove after gold glove.
   395. Howie Menckel Posted: October 08, 2012 at 10:25 PM (#4259982)

Pettitte, by my unofficial count, is 26 Quality Starts in 42 tries in the postseason entering tonight (3.83 ERA).

lots of excellent games, lots of barely-QS ones, lots of smacked and smacked hard.

how does the 26-for-42 rate? good, bad, or indifferent?

   396. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 10:25 PM (#4259983)
Wow. Chen just cut through the top three Yankees like a knife through butter.
   397. McCoy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 10:27 PM (#4259984)
Get out da way!
   398. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 10:27 PM (#4259985)
CONRADIAN! And.... UMPIRE AGILITY FAIL!
   399. Fat Al Posted: October 08, 2012 at 10:30 PM (#4259986)
Who is it on TBS that is continually making excuses for the Yanks' horrible fielding?
   400. Gamingboy Posted: October 08, 2012 at 10:31 PM (#4259987)
Cal Ripken, who seems to be trying to do an extended version of Ron Washington saying that "It's incredibly hard" to field.
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