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Division Six OmniChatter

By the end of the day, at least two teams will be eliminated since baseball is a cruel sport and October is a harsh mistress. Or something like that.

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   201. hokieneer Posted: October 11, 2012 at 02:56 PM (#4264020)
Damn. Wish votto was himself. And cueto.
   202. Joey B. is being stalked by a (Gonfa) loon Posted: October 11, 2012 at 02:56 PM (#4264021)
News to the '81 Dodgers . . . and Astros.

My bad, I should have been more specific and said since '95.
   203. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: October 11, 2012 at 02:56 PM (#4264022)
Buster Posey is still out at 2nd.
   204. Moe Greene Posted: October 11, 2012 at 02:57 PM (#4264024)
Gamingboy, thank you for posting the baby walrus. I'm finding it immensely helpful.
   205. Gamingboy Posted: October 11, 2012 at 02:59 PM (#4264026)
CHECKLIST:
---EVERGREEN---
Conradian Play [X ]
Web Gem [ ]
Baserunning blunder [ ]
Play at the plate [ ]
Replay review [ ]
Ump blows call [ ] (Blown call eliminates team [ ])
Dramatic late-inning homer [ ]
Double Play ends an inning [ ]
1-2-3-4-5-6 inning [ X]
Strike out of side [ ]
Stolen base [ ]
Caught stealing [ ]
Gamesmanship []
Shapeshifting Strike-zone [ ]
THIS TRAIN! [X]
"They're down to their last X...." [ ]
Pitcher gets a hit [ ]
Non-pitcher bunts [ ]
Regular Season pitcher warms up [ ] (Playoff starting pitcher warms up in pen [ ])
Game needs to start on TNT (with exception of A's vs. Tigers) [ ]
---SF at CIN specific---
Dusty Baker with Giants [ ]
WILD BRIAN WILSON APPEARS [ X]
Cain perfecto flashback [ ]
Buster Posey does something awesome [X ] (GRAND SLAM)
Joey Votto gets back to normal, does something awesome []
Big Red Machine referenced [ X]
Willie Mays referenced [ ]
---STL at DC specific---
Strasburg in the Dugout [ ]
Crowd chants "We Want Strasburg" [ ]
Bryce Harper does something awesome [ ] (Harper strikes out instead [ ])
Pujols mentioned [ ]
FREESE! [ ]
Teddy [ ]
Flashback to game 6 of 2011 WS [ ]
Davey Johnson managerial career recap [ ]
Matheny's playing career [ ]
---BAL at NYY specific---
Raul Effing Ibanez comes to the plate [ ]
Orioles hold one-run lead at any point of the game []
Yankees get run in half-inning immediately after Orioles score [ ]
Thome career retrospective [ ]
Buck Showalter as Yankee manager [ ]
Joe Saunders' Wild Card performance flashback [ ]
Ichiro does something awesome [ ]
Tyler Teagarden shows up []
A-Rod strikes out, assuming he even plays now that Raul Ibanez is Mr. Effing October [ ]
---DET at OAK---
Bernie Lean explained [ ]
Verlander no-nos flashback []
Prince Fielder robbed of extra-bases [ ]
Moneyball mentioned [ ] (Mention of Brad Pitt [ ])
Pat Neshek's son mentioned [ ]
Trout mentioned in any way (fish or player) [ ]
Miguel Cabrera does something awesome [ ]
Verlander hits 98+ MPH after 80 pitches [ ]
Mention of the tarps [ ]
   206. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 11, 2012 at 02:59 PM (#4264027)
Can someone explain the baby walrus references? I'm confused.
   207. esseff Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:01 PM (#4264032)
   208. hokieneer Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:03 PM (#4264035)
Alright. Lets get another.
   209. Moe Greene Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:03 PM (#4264036)
Dusty: Leave Marshall in until he struggles.
   210. BourbonSamurai Is a Lazy Nogoodnik Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:04 PM (#4264037)
Riff on Walrus!
   211. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:04 PM (#4264038)
Can someone explain the baby walrus references? I'm confused.
It's cute, but somehow also vaguely unsettling. Baby walrus distracts us for a second from our baseball-watching stress.
   212. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:04 PM (#4264039)
That seems surprising to me. I would think 1-1 is a more common result than 2-0 particularly when you are talking about series with roughly evenly matched teams.

Probabilistically, 2-0 and 1-1 should be equally probable given evenly matched teams (i.e. you're giving 50/50 odds on each game). However, the first two games one team is at home, so if you give them say a 67% chance of winning each game, they're 44% to be 2-0 (with the road team 11% to be 2-0), and a total of ~56% for the series to be 2-0 and ~44% to be 1-1. 21/34 is ~62%, which is high but not out of line.
   213. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:04 PM (#4264040)
it's a ridiculously small set but joey is going to hear grumbling about two postseasons and only hitting singles

i wager dollars to donuts marty has mentioned that joey is 'still searching for his first postseason extra base hit' or the like

marty is pleasant that way
   214. Good cripple hitter Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:05 PM (#4264041)
In the wake of the Orioles collapse yesterday, gamingboy posted a soothing image of a walrus.
   215. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:05 PM (#4264042)
However, the first two games one team is at home, so if you give them say a 67% chance of winning each game, they're 44% to be 2-0 (with the road team 11% to be 2-0), and a total of ~56% for the series to be 2-0 and ~44% to be 1-1.
Home field advantage in baseball is approximately 54/46.
   216. Gamingboy Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:06 PM (#4264044)
Can someone explain the baby walrus references? I'm confused.


During my freakout at the end of the Orioles-Yankees game, I was able to calm myself by looking at this image of a Baby Walrus. As Matt Clment of Alexandria sort of said, it is both cute but also vaguely unsettling, allowing us to be distracted by it's strange clash of cuteness and unsettlingness.

Also, it has an awesome mustache.
   217. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:07 PM (#4264046)
Yeah, I was just throwing out a number to illustrate the general point that, the farther away you get from 50/50, the more likely a 2-0 is. Most of these playoff years, the team with the better record has the first two games at home though, no? So if they're a bit better anyway, their home field is probably a bit better than 54/46.
   218. BourbonSamurai Is a Lazy Nogoodnik Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:08 PM (#4264050)
whoa 2nd deck
   219. jack the seal clubber (on the sidelines of life) Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:08 PM (#4264051)
If the Giants hold on and the A's win tonight, you'll have the weird coincidence of the road team winning every game of one series**, while the home team is winning every game of another series.


And if they both make the Series, we will have Apocalypse II. Jose Canseco will be back on the field heroically saving his sixth wife from the killer earthquake.

   220. fra paolo Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:08 PM (#4264052)
Ludwick!
   221. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:08 PM (#4264053)
Cain's stuff still looks good...

No, not forcing it. Terrible pitch, worse location.
   222. TomH Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:09 PM (#4264055)
Willie Mays got the same grief, Harv
   223. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:09 PM (#4264056)
ya'know reds, it's allowed to happen with runners on base

you do not have to hit just solo homers

ok? clear?

   224. Hey - you and Tommy Lasorda...I hate Tommy Lasorda Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:10 PM (#4264060)
Got to get someone up now.
   225. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:10 PM (#4264064)
It's the playoffs. You should always have some ready from the 6th inning on.
   226. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:11 PM (#4264065)
Thanks to all for the walrus education. I could've done without being Albrighted but it's my own damned fault, should've expected that.
   227. Hey - you and Tommy Lasorda...I hate Tommy Lasorda Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:11 PM (#4264066)
Rags is buying time
   228. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:11 PM (#4264068)
tom

all the stars get that grief. see a-rod

just saying it's going to happen and joey will keep hearing it until he manages to pop a few in mid-october
   229. Gamingboy Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:12 PM (#4264071)
So, wonder when noted relief ace Tim Lincecum gets up.
   230. BourbonSamurai Is a Lazy Nogoodnik Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:14 PM (#4264074)
well we got a game now.
   231. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:14 PM (#4264075)
The Reds are showing some heart today. Credit to the club and the manager.
   232. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:14 PM (#4264076)
that;s gotta be it for cain

when 57 year old rolen hits you hard i mean c'mon
   233. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:15 PM (#4264077)
I thought he went... yup, he went. Lucky lucky.
   234. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:15 PM (#4264078)
why is bochy going all johnny keane to cain's bob gibson?

did he promise to not pull him?
   235. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:16 PM (#4264079)
It's the playoffs. You should always have some ready from the 6th inning on.


Agreed, particularly in a lose and go home game. You can't leave a pitcher in there to let a game get away (or to give it back). I wouldn't be letting Cain face the tie run here.
   236. Into the Void Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:16 PM (#4264080)
This is insane! Take him out. He's leaving everything up.
   237. Good cripple hitter Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:16 PM (#4264081)
Thanks to all for the walrus education. I could've done without being Albrighted but it's my own damned fault, should've expected that.


That photo was as awesome as the actual walrus picture. Plus I found it really funny that that photo showed up near the top of the google image search results for 'madeleine albright sea world'. I don't know how that happened.
   238. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:17 PM (#4264082)
That last slider missed by about seven feet. It was supposed to be down and away.
   239. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:18 PM (#4264085)
the guy you want to avoid is stubbs. yes his strike zone is the northwest territories but he can pop one just as easily as strike out

and he drives you nuts in that he can crank on the pitcher's best pitch
   240. Into the Void Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:18 PM (#4264086)
Wow. That helps.
   241. Gamingboy Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:18 PM (#4264087)
Caught Stealing. [X]

Huge.
   242. Baldrick Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:18 PM (#4264088)
YES! That was awesome.
   243. Good cripple hitter Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:19 PM (#4264089)
Now it's over.
   244. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:19 PM (#4264090)
Are you serious?
   245. BourbonSamurai Is a Lazy Nogoodnik Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:19 PM (#4264091)
wow what a way to blow that rally.
   246. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:19 PM (#4264092)
what?
   247. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:19 PM (#4264093)
Hanigan's got to know the situation there. You can't take a 50/50 ball... hey, the announcers are saying it too.
   248. Roger McDowell spit on me! Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:19 PM (#4264094)
Wow. Posey double clutched that throw a little too.
   249. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:19 PM (#4264095)
Well, this changed all of a sudden.
   250. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:19 PM (#4264096)
was that strike 3?

looked outside
   251. Hey - you and Tommy Lasorda...I hate Tommy Lasorda Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:19 PM (#4264097)
Caught stealing [x]
   252. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:20 PM (#4264099)
Wow. Posey double clutched that throw a little too.
The baserunner was Scott Rolen's elderly father.
   253. fra paolo Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:20 PM (#4264100)
Never make the second out at third?
   254. esseff Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:20 PM (#4264102)
I was about to note the same thing as 248. Throw was right on the money, but he would have got it there more quickly if he hadn't double pumped.
   255. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:20 PM (#4264104)
Wow is that huge. According to AtBat the pitch was just on the edge of the zone. If Dusty's got the runners moving I think Hanigan has to be hacking unless it's way off the plate, you can't let that happen.
   256. TomH Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:20 PM (#4264105)
was the ball/strike call correct? That is one HUGE call.\

edit: if moving the runners makes the batter swing when he usually would not, then moving the runners is a stoopid move.
   257. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:21 PM (#4264106)
was that strike 3?

looked outside
TBS pitch trax has it just barely off the corner. Outside, but a hell of a pitch to take with the runners going.
   258. Hey - you and Tommy Lasorda...I hate Tommy Lasorda Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:21 PM (#4264107)
Posey does something awesome [x] Double clutch throw
   259. fra paolo Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:21 PM (#4264108)
Ow, that called strike was very borderline.
   260. esseff Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:21 PM (#4264109)
Never make the second out at third?


I think that's first and last out. The second out, at least you're trying to get to third with one out, which is a good thing if you're safe. Outs on the bases are never helpful.
   261. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:22 PM (#4264110)
According to AtBat the pitch was just on the edge of the zone.
At-Bat's robot has a somewhat wider zone than TBS's robot.
   262. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:22 PM (#4264111)
Gamecast has that as a strike...barely. Close enough that you can't really complain.
   263. Greg K Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:23 PM (#4264112)
Man, isn't baseball beautiful?

The Reds whole season could have hung on that one sequence.
   264. Gamingboy Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:24 PM (#4264113)
Just read that Joe Girardi's dad died, which makes me even more of an ####### last night cursing all of them. I guess if I can find some solace in that defeat, it's that a man was able to spend his last full day on earth seeing his son manage a playoff win.
   265. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:24 PM (#4264116)
agreed that's on the hitter

if it's close you cannot depend on the umpire for help

the thing is that hanigan got to the big leagues by being very patient at the plate. so he's conditioned to take pitches
   266. esseff Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:25 PM (#4264118)
TBS pitch trax has it just barely off the corner.


According to AtBat the pitch was just on the edge of the zone.


Gamecast has that as a strike...barely.


Has anyone done a comparative study of pitch tracking technologies to see how much in sync they are, and which ones are off where?
   267. hokieneer Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:25 PM (#4264121)
Why? Why?
   268. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:26 PM (#4264122)
That was a calamitous turn of events
   269. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:26 PM (#4264123)
What does the last line in that DirectTV ad mean?

I get that there's somehow a big anthropomorphic "program conflict" screen following them around. That vaguely explains why the lady thinks the screen is watching her walk around naked.

But why, why does the husband say, "at least someone gets to"? Is this some kink of his that she hasn't been game to help out with? Are we supposed to figure that out beforehand? Is the program conflict screen preventing him from watching her walk around naked? It's all a bit dark, for me.
   270. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:26 PM (#4264125)
the thing is that hanigan got to the big leagues by being very patient at the plate. so he's conditioned to take pitches

Then you shouldn't send runners when he's hitting.
   271. Greg K Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:27 PM (#4264126)
I'm just imagining people watching this game without being devoted baseball fans and not knowing who Brian Wilson is trying to figure out who that guy in the dugout with the fake beard is.
   272. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:27 PM (#4264127)
No djmbass...the last game of the 2001 series was in new york.
   273. The Chronicles of Reddick Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:27 PM (#4264128)
dusty baker is actually a secret agent for the Giants.
   274. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:27 PM (#4264129)
They should appeal to Joe Torre. He'll find some way to rule in favor of the Cards.
   275. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:28 PM (#4264130)
Then you shouldn't send runners when he's hitting.

Yeah, it's either a hit-and-run or it's not. If not, you're relying on the batter to decide on swinging.
   276. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:28 PM (#4264131)
the thing is that hanigan got to the big leagues by being very patient at the plate. so he's conditioned to take pitches

Then you shouldn't send runners when he's hitting.
Sending Scott Rolen('s elderly father) from second is effectively telling the hitter that he absolutely cannot strike out. If it's within six inches of the zone, he's got to swing.
   277. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:28 PM (#4264132)
Lets go Reds!!!
   278. Gamingboy Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:28 PM (#4264133)
Shutdown inning there.
   279. hokieneer Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:28 PM (#4264135)
I agree with #270. Cain was struggling, don't do anything that might backfire and helo him.
   280. Greg K Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:29 PM (#4264136)
Well the Giants sure seem to think 6 runs is enough.
   281. esseff Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:29 PM (#4264137)
That's sad Girardi news. My condolences to him. As a Cardinals fan, I'll always have a fond spot for Girardi for this. (And why it fell to the Cubs' catcher to announce this, I don't know.)
   282. Hey - you and Tommy Lasorda...I hate Tommy Lasorda Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:29 PM (#4264139)
I haven read such a dissection of a DTv commercial on here since the Transformer commercial which moved from room to room. The comment was something like, "DirecTv, helping me solve problems I didn't know I had."
   283. fra paolo Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:29 PM (#4264140)
That was a 'shutdown inning'.
   284. hokieneer Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:29 PM (#4264141)
Bruce was on 2nd not rolen.
   285. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:30 PM (#4264142)
Bruce was on 2nd not rolen.
Oh. That's different. Never mind.
   286. Greg K Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:30 PM (#4264143)
Sending Scott Rolen('s elderly father) from second is effectively telling the hitter that he absolutely cannot strike out. If it's within six inches of the zone, he's got to swing.

Agreed, you're putting Hanigan in a position where he has to swing at anything close...and he didn't.

By the same token you're asking two of your players (both Rolen and Hanigan) to do things outside of their skill-set. That seems like poor managing.

EDIT: whoops, got that mixed up too...sub out Rolen for Bruce...or forget him entirely.
   287. Greg K Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:33 PM (#4264149)
Hanigan looks a bit like Kevin Bacon.
   288. hokieneer Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:33 PM (#4264150)
I think it was a bad idea to send them, but hannigan has to swing there.


Re ph with Frazier or save him?
   289. Rafael Bellylard: A failure of the waist. Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:34 PM (#4264151)
Nice move by Bochy to make Baker waste a PH.
   290. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:34 PM (#4264152)
i suspect dusty was concerned about the double play given hanigan's lack of speed
   291. JJ1986 Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:34 PM (#4264155)
Is is the rare series where each team has a pinch hitter named Xavier.
   292. Gamingboy Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:35 PM (#4264156)
(And why it fell to the Cubs' catcher to announce this, I don't know.)


There was a documentary this year on Kyle's death, and I think they basically said that Girardi did it because he was one of most well-spoken and well-liked guys in baseball.
   293. esseff Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:35 PM (#4264158)
Game is likely to slow to a crawl now as Bochy plays left-right with the bullpen. He was using as many as eight or nine pitchers a game in the close ones in September.
   294. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:35 PM (#4264159)
hoke

i think you save frazier for the moment
   295. Rafael Bellylard: A failure of the waist. Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:36 PM (#4264160)
Damn, bad news for Girardi. Condolences.
   296. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:36 PM (#4264161)
i think you save frazier for the moment
Agreed. None on, none out, you save your best RBI man, get someone who can scratch a single or a walk.
   297. BourbonSamurai Is a Lazy Nogoodnik Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:36 PM (#4264162)
There was a documentary this year on Kyle's death, and I think they basically said that Girardi did it because he was one of most well-spoken and well-liked guys in baseball.


heh for a second I read this as you saying Girardi killed hinm
   298. fra paolo Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:37 PM (#4264163)
i suspect dusty was concerned about the double play given hanigan's lack of speed

This was the Reds' radio team's consensus view.
   299. An Athletic in Powderhorn™ Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:37 PM (#4264165)
I got back late from the commercial break and just heard them giving out condolences to Girardi and his family. What happened?
   300. hokieneer Posted: October 11, 2012 at 03:37 PM (#4264167)
I agree on savinf Frazier. The correct answer is to use Cairo!
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