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Wednesday, October 18, 2017

Do the Cubs realize how badly the Dodgers insulted them on national TV? - Chicago Tribune

It’s not the end of Snarktober, but you can see it from here:

Do the Cubs know enough to be insulted by what the Dodgers pulled in Game 3 of the National League Championship Series?

Do the Cubs know they got pantsed on their home field on national TV?

Do the Cubs realize the Dodgers have so little respect for their offense that starting pitcher Yu Darvish batted with the bases loaded in the sixth inning of a two-run game?

The Cubs certainly didn’t respond as if they knew they were insulted. They didn’t respond, really, after the first inning. They didn’t respond the way the Dodgers did.

Jim Furtado Posted: October 18, 2017 at 11:48 AM | 37 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: October 18, 2017 at 11:54 AM (#5556968)
Yawn.

The series has been embarrassing, for sure. I can't recall a playoff series where a team held a lead in each game yet looked so dominanted.

But I think this has a lot to do with the Dodgers being an excellent, well-rested team and the Cubs being a good, inconsistent, and completely gassed team.
   2. Spahn Insane Posted: October 18, 2017 at 12:20 PM (#5556989)
Didn't click on the link, and I won't, as the excerpt reads like a Jay Mariotti-wannabe. (Apparently such creatures exist.) Just come out and say the 2017 Chicago Cubs are a bunch of frauds who poop their pants already.
   3. Spahn Insane Posted: October 18, 2017 at 12:23 PM (#5556992)
Well, what the hell, for old time's sake--and Cub fandom could use some levity at the moment. I couldn't find the original post, but Kiko reposted it way back in 2007, so here's the copy and paste of the original "Mariotti" column, post-Sosa's corked bat. Somebody more clever than I am should take a stab at updating it for to reflect current events.

SAMMY SOSA IS A FRAUD WHO POOPS HIS PANTS

by Jay Mariotti

Thau shalt not cheat. That's the first thing they taught you in little league. Hustle, play hard, worry about winning if it makes you play better, just have fun if it doesn't. Have fun, play within the rules, shake the other team's hand after the game, and we'll go for a tasty freeze afterward.

But don't cheat.

I don't know if they have little league down in the Dominican Republic, but Sammy Sosa must have missed that day of class.

Sammy was a hero to so many.

He was a hero to Edna Terwilliger, who has faithfully attended every home game since 1923 in spite of her blindness and the Cubs' listlessness.

He was a hero to Roberto Sanchez, a native of San Pedro de Macoris, who works the overtime shift at the meat packing plant just so he'll have the extra cash to come to come see his countryman in a game or two over the weekend.

He was a hero to my son, Jay Jr.

He'll be a hero no more. Sammy Sosa is a fraud and all of his accomplishments are forever tainted. The 500 home runs, the smile on his Hall of Fame plaque, the race against McGwire during that magical summer of 1998.

Tainted. Forever.

Just when it looked like everything was coming together for one glorious season, with Dusty in the dugout and Prior on the mound and the Yankees coming to town for the first time in seventy years. Just when it looked like it was safe, for the first time in a long time, to believe in this franchise. Just as the calender had turned to June - Cubs fans dug in, waited for their pitch -

And took a collective beanball to their head.

Sammy Sosa is a fraud who poops his pants.

There is no joy in Wrigleyville today.

-JM
   4. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 18, 2017 at 12:25 PM (#5556994)
Does the author know that paragraphs are usually supposed to have more than one sentence?
   5. PreservedFish Posted: October 18, 2017 at 12:27 PM (#5556995)
Thau shalt not cheat. That's the first thing they taught you in little league.


It is?
   6. Spahn Insane Posted: October 18, 2017 at 12:41 PM (#5557006)
Does the author know that paragraphs are usually supposed to have more than one sentence?

Apparently not, which is why I referred to it as "Mariotti wannabe." Definitely consistent with Mr. Poopypants's M.O.
   7. Spahn Insane Posted: October 18, 2017 at 12:42 PM (#5557010)
It is?

While it's a free country and all, I wouldn't spend too much time factchecking a parody of a Jay Mariotti column.
   8. DL from MN Posted: October 18, 2017 at 12:58 PM (#5557029)
"First base is that way" is the first thing I taught the kids.
   9. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: October 18, 2017 at 01:06 PM (#5557039)
Steve Rosenbloom. He's actually pretty good sometimes. He does a lot of cheapshotting, but I'd put him many levels ahead of Mariotti.
   10. Spahn Insane Posted: October 18, 2017 at 01:12 PM (#5557043)
Steve Rosenbloom.

Right, but 5 was responding to a line from my copy and paste in post 3, which is a Mariotti parody.
   11. Rally Posted: October 18, 2017 at 02:17 PM (#5557086)
Do the Cubs realize the Dodgers have so little respect for their offense that starting pitcher Yu Darvish batted with the bases loaded in the sixth inning of a two-run game?


Well, they were leading by 2, and Darvish had a very low pitch count through only 5 innings. Yes, I know what the simulators will say - you increase your win probability by pinch hitting and going to the pen.

But I'm feeling a little whiplash here. Not too long ago the idea of pinch hitting for an ace starting pitcher in such a situation would have been the controversial move. I don't mean 30 years ago, I'm thinking more like 3-5 years ago.
   12. Zonk just has affection for alumni Posted: October 18, 2017 at 02:23 PM (#5557092)
"First base is that way" is the first thing I taught the kids.


"Get your finger out of your nose!"
   13. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: October 18, 2017 at 02:27 PM (#5557099)
First thing I remember being taught is that, when batting, you don't stand across the plate, directly facing the pitcher. I was skeptical.
   14. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 18, 2017 at 03:15 PM (#5557123)
Does the author know that paragraphs are usually supposed to have more than one sentence.

Unfortunately, that's pretty common in the news business, in print or online, especially in sports coverage. No reason to follow that format here, so let's tighten up those excerpts. BBTF space is valuable.
   15. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: October 18, 2017 at 03:31 PM (#5557132)
The paragraph structure is far from the most objectionable thing there.
   16. RJ in TO Posted: October 18, 2017 at 03:39 PM (#5557137)
Does the author know that paragraphs are usually supposed to have more than one sentence?


This is an artifact of the transition from print to online. Those one sentence paragraphs look fine in columns, and are encouraged so as to avoid the wall-of-text effect on the printed page, but look terrible online. Don't blame the writer for this, but rather whoever did the formatting.
   17. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: October 18, 2017 at 03:43 PM (#5557141)
Wait, the Sosa is a fraud who poops his pants was in a parody of a Marriotti column and not a real one?! D:

Edit: I found an article from 2003 talking about he parody. http://www.futilityinfielder.com/wordpress/2003/06/a-laughing-matter.shtml
   18. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: October 18, 2017 at 03:43 PM (#5557143)
But I'm feeling a little whiplash here. Not too long ago the idea of pinch hitting for an ace starting pitcher in such a situation would have been the controversial move. I don't mean 30 years ago, I'm thinking more like 3-5 years ago.


Having read this, I went back to look. First series I looked at was the 2013 WS. In game 5, winning 2-1 in the 7th inning, Jon Lester batted with runners on 2nd and 3rd with 1 out. Would he have batted had there been 2 out? Don't know, but again, WS tied 2-2 vs LCS up 2-1, 7th inning vs 5th inning, up by 1 vs up by 2. The Lester AB was much higher leverage.
   19. SoSH U at work Posted: October 18, 2017 at 03:51 PM (#5557149)
This is an artifact of the transition from print to online. Those one sentence paragraphs look fine in columns, and are encouraged so as to avoid the wall-of-text effect on the printed page, but look terrible online. Don't blame the writer for this, but rather whoever did the formatting.


If you go back even further, it also made for easier cutting on the page with the exacto.

Short graphs were encouraged by most of my editors.

What I love about that Mariotti parody is I can never remember if it was a parody or the real thing. Also, Rosenbloom is awful.
   20. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: October 18, 2017 at 03:53 PM (#5557154)
In the NLCS that year, in game 1, Zack Greinke batted in the bottom of the 6th in a 1-1 game with a runner on second and 2 out.

In the 2012 NLCS in game 2, Matt Cain batted in the top of the 6th with 1 on and 2 out when losing 2-1.
   21. jmurph Posted: October 18, 2017 at 03:55 PM (#5557157)
Having read this, I went back to look. First series I looked at was the 2013 WS. In game 5, winning 2-1 in the 7th inning, Jon Lester batted with runners on 2nd and 3rd with 1 out. Would he have batted had there been 2 out? Don't know, but again, WS tied 2-2 vs LCS up 2-1, 7th inning vs 5th inning, up by 1 vs up by 2. The Lester AB was much higher leverage.

You may recall that did not go over well in these parts.
   22. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: October 18, 2017 at 03:59 PM (#5557162)
I remember Dusty Baker being criticized for pulling Russ Ortiz in the World Series even though Ortiz was far from an ace, the Giants bullpen that year was pretty darn good and Ortiz seemed to be tiring. I remember thinking it was a pretty obvious move to pull him, but I guess that wasn't the philosophy back in 2002.
   23. SoSH U at work Posted: October 18, 2017 at 04:01 PM (#5557167)
In the 2013 World Series, Jon Lester, still looking for his first major league hit after 40 trips to the plate, batted in the top of the seventh of a game the Red Sox led 2-1.

More inexplicably, Brandon Workman (the Brandon Workman) batted with one out in the top of the ninth of a tie game in Game 3.

(Whoops, missed Misirlou's comment on Lester).
   24. Walt Davis Posted: October 18, 2017 at 04:03 PM (#5557169)
It's far from obvious to PH for Darvish there, even in the nerdball era. He was cruising. Dodgers had a lot of relievers who had good results this year but it's not a murderer's row. PHs tend to do pretty crappy anyway. And to get extra nerdy, almost nobody can actually hit Edwards -- he either walks you or he doesn't. Darvish can stand there and take 4 balls as well as a PH can, maybe better (since he won't actually try to hit it).

Seriously ... the man has 107 career IP and has given up just 47 hits but 55 walks. He does give up a lot of HR for a guy who doesn't give up hits but my advice to almost any hitter facing Edwards with the bases loaded is to stand there and hope he walks you.
   25. Spahn Insane Posted: October 18, 2017 at 04:10 PM (#5557182)
Wait, the Sosa is a fraud who poops his pants was in a parody of a Marriotti column and not a real one?!

Heh. Sorry to burst your bubble, man!
   26. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 18, 2017 at 04:25 PM (#5557204)
I was watching at a bar last night - what was the reaction around here to the repeated mound visits during Darvish's AB? Aside from the fact that all mound visits by anyone should be forever banned from the face of the earth, I was thinking that continuing to talk it over had to have the "don't think about a pink elephant" effect.
   27. Rowland Office Supplies Posted: October 18, 2017 at 05:31 PM (#5557290)
If you distributed talking points to long-time-listeners/first-time-callers, it would look something like this piece.
   28. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: October 18, 2017 at 05:33 PM (#5557295)
Seriously ... the man has 107 career IP and has given up just 47 hits but 55 walks. He does give up a lot of HR for a guy who doesn't give up hits but my advice to almost any hitter facing Edwards with the bases loaded is to stand there and hope he walks you.


OK, so now that you've told us about Carlos Marmol, what are your thoughts about Carl Edwards Jr?
   29. VCar Posted: October 18, 2017 at 05:41 PM (#5557305)
Thau shalt not cheat. That's the first thing they taught you in little league.


The 2nd thing they teach you is how to legally cheat.
   30. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: October 18, 2017 at 06:03 PM (#5557328)
Heh. Sorry to burst your bubble, man!


I feel like I've been lied to for 14 years. And holy crap, I've been on this website for 14 years.
   31. Voodoo Posted: October 18, 2017 at 08:58 PM (#5557448)
I was watching at a bar last night - what was the reaction around here to the repeated mound visits during Darvish's AB?


It was definitely noted here, and if I recall Darling brought it up on the broadcast as well, as not being predictably helpful to Carl.
   32. Walt Davis Posted: October 19, 2017 at 06:52 PM (#5558394)
#28 ... impressively, Edwards' hit rate is even lower than prime Marmol ... probably era differences. And although a starter, this was always true for Rich Hill as well. The nasty stuff giveth walks and taketh away hits unless one learneth to throweth for strikes.
   33. Andere Richtingen Posted: October 19, 2017 at 07:41 PM (#5558407)
   34. Zonk just has affection for alumni Posted: October 19, 2017 at 07:58 PM (#5558419)
I feel like I've been lied to for 14 years. And holy crap, I've been on this website for 14 years.


At least we've all got the warm memories of conversing with Larry Bowa to hang onto...
   35. Spahn Insane Posted: October 19, 2017 at 09:20 PM (#5558548)
34-

Haha. Love “Larry Bowa.”
   36. Spahn Insane Posted: October 19, 2017 at 09:23 PM (#5558555)
And rereading the chat log from 2003–the pre-registration chatter personae did have their charms.
   37. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 19, 2017 at 10:20 PM (#5558641)
Holy #### andere. What a flashback. So many of us on old handles. Prior, jeremi Gonzalez. Man. Pre Lenny Harris at 3b.

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