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Doc, it only hurts when I OMNICHATTER, for May 13, 2017

LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 13, 2017 at 12:45 PM | 151 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 13, 2017 at 12:51 PM (#5454745)
HOW WILL THE ANGELS LOSE TODAY?!
   2. Bote Man Posted: May 13, 2017 at 12:52 PM (#5454746)
Los Jankees already postponed due to rain. The same storm is moving toward Boston, but hasn't reached there yet so they should get that game in.

WEEI pointing a record of 10+ strikeouts in 8 consecutive starts held by Pedro and now being challenged by Chris Sale. Mercy!
   3. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: May 13, 2017 at 02:15 PM (#5454768)
Cubs call up Ian Happ, playing rf. So many guys banged up and out: heyward, Bryant, Russell, zobrist, Jay.
   4. Snowboy Posted: May 13, 2017 at 02:25 PM (#5454774)
Ryan Weber making his first start for Seattle.
Looked good, for a guy who can't strike anybody out. Lots of movement, pitched backwards.
Leaves the game in the middle of an at bat in the 4th inning, 1-0 game. Something wrong in his pitching arm.
   5. Bote Man Posted: May 13, 2017 at 02:32 PM (#5454777)
BREAKING:

Jon Heyman @JonHeyman
Nats have announcement coming.

---

Nats sign Bryce Harper to a deal instead of awaiting arbitration for his 2018 season, his final year before free agency. Seems a bit "meh" to be billed as a big announcement.

Chelsea Janes @chelsea_janes
Harper gets $21.625 million this year, according to person familiar, as @JonHeyman said. Record for arb-eligible guy.
   6. Snowboy Posted: May 13, 2017 at 02:36 PM (#5454780)
Dillon Overton takes over for Seattle on the mound due to injury.
Seattle has at least three guys who look like they dropped out of a 1976 high school yearbook into the majors. Overton, Taylor Motter, and Ben Gamel are all rocking a long haired hippie look.
   7. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 13, 2017 at 03:01 PM (#5454784)
Chelsea Janes @chelsea_janes
Harper gets $21.625 million this year, according to person familiar, as @JonHeyman said. Record for arb-eligible guy.
Harper was going to break that record regardless of what happened. It sounds like the Nats are actually getting a bargain, and they get an extra few pages on the calendar to work out a long-term deal.
   8. cardsfanboy Posted: May 13, 2017 at 03:03 PM (#5454786)
Nats sign Bryce Harper to a deal instead of awaiting arbitration for his 2018 season, his final year before free agency. Seems a bit "meh" to be billed as a big announcement.


I think that something like that is the first salvo in an attempt to lock him into a longer term contract. I know it's going to be hard to convince Boras to allow Harper to sign, but this does seem like an attempt by the organization to say here we'll negotiate with you.

I honestly do not think Harper will reach free agency... or if he does, it will because of an opt out year on a 350mil contract he signs with the Nationals.
   9. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: May 13, 2017 at 03:12 PM (#5454788)
C'mon, Segura, get in front of the damn ball; don't give me this "Olé" bullshit.
   10. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 13, 2017 at 03:21 PM (#5454791)
I had exactly the same reaction, Lance. In perfect position to make that play, was way back on it, and still didn't move his feet.
   11. Bote Man Posted: May 13, 2017 at 03:23 PM (#5454792)
Hey! I'm not going to risk injury or deface this property for a bunch of stiffs! Whaddaya want me to do? Dive for it??
   12. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: May 13, 2017 at 03:32 PM (#5454793)
*urinates on Segura's contract*
   13. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 13, 2017 at 03:32 PM (#5454794)
I've been playing softball since I was 23, mostly in the infield at SS and 3B. I always figured at some point those plays would get easier to stand in on. It kind of makes me happy to see that even a big leaguer with a good defensive rep will do the same thing as a rec league guy on a scalding bouncer like that. At the same time, though... c'mon, man, get in front of it.
   14. Bote Man Posted: May 13, 2017 at 03:36 PM (#5454795)
I'm kind of the opposite. I don't really mind dipping down on my right knee with my lower leg perpendicular to the path of the groundball to block it if my glove doesn't do the trick. It only stings for a minute. But I must be deathly afraid of fly balls because I can't catch them for love or money, even when they hit my glove they just clank right out. I can't figure it out. I wish there were a machine that would launch fly balls so that I could go out to the outfield and just work on that. Gives me even more respect for these Major Leaguers who causally charge to their left and lift up the glove to catch the ball like it's a walk in the park.
   15. Snowboy Posted: May 13, 2017 at 03:49 PM (#5454796)
Bautista is coming around. 3 run HR.
   16. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 13, 2017 at 03:50 PM (#5454797)
Joey Bats go boom. 3-run homer, and it's 5-2 Jays.

EDIT: Cocaine to Snowboy.
   17. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 13, 2017 at 03:55 PM (#5454798)
Toronto was 2-11 on April 13. If they win today, they'll be 14-10 since.
   18. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: May 13, 2017 at 03:56 PM (#5454799)
I wish there were a machine that would launch fly balls so that I could go out to the outfield and just work on that.

If you've got like two grand lying around, a Jugs machine will throw flies.
   19. cardsfanboy Posted: May 13, 2017 at 04:01 PM (#5454801)
But I must be deathly afraid of fly balls because I can't catch them for love or money, even when they hit my glove they just clank right out. I can't figure it out. I wish there were a machine that would launch fly balls so that I could go out to the outfield and just work on that. Gives me even more respect for these Major Leaguers who causally charge to their left and lift up the glove to catch the ball like it's a walk in the park.


That would be cool, I used to play a game I called Willie McGee... I would take a baseball and throw it as high and roughly as far away from me as I think I would be able to run to make the catch...the goal is to get an arc that was perfect for my speed that I would have to make a fully running catch if not an actual diving catch(from the angle, dives were rare.)

I've met people who had problems catching the ball and I don't really understand that. (My friend would get positioned to catch the ball, then at the last second he would push his hand up to meet the ball...my brother just never could align the glove with a flying ball---except that one time when it happened to be one of my flyballs--seriously, he's proud of the fact that he caught a flyball I hit to him on purpose during a work game, simply because it was probably the only thing he ever caught in his life.) catching is easy, one thing that Jim Edmonds and some studies have pointed out, is that it's easier if you aren't positioned perfectly, your eyes centered on the ball is more likely to miss it, than if you have your vision slightly slanted, it has to something to do with the way our vision works, but it's harder for most people to catch a ball that they are camped under, than it is if it is slightly to their side.
   20. cardsfanboy Posted: May 13, 2017 at 04:07 PM (#5454803)
I don't find the pink on the Cubs uniforms to be hideous... Now Fowler's socks on the other hand....
   21. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: May 13, 2017 at 04:10 PM (#5454804)
Rizzo's bat on the other hand...that's hideous
   22. cardsfanboy Posted: May 13, 2017 at 04:14 PM (#5454805)
nevermind
   23. cardsfanboy Posted: May 13, 2017 at 04:16 PM (#5454806)
Lester whining about pitches out of the zone being called balls.
   24. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 13, 2017 at 04:20 PM (#5454807)
Yeah, he seems to have picked up a few tips from Lackey in that regard. He was talking to the ump as it went to commercial - not sure if Lester was asking about something or the ump went out to tell him to knock it off.
   25. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: May 13, 2017 at 04:20 PM (#5454808)
Lester whining about pitches out of the zone being called balls.


Didn't see that pitch, but Martinez got 2 gift calls, include "strike" 3 to Happ.
   26. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 13, 2017 at 04:22 PM (#5454809)
Goins steals home on a double steal. Everything's coming up Blue Jays.
   27. Snowboy Posted: May 13, 2017 at 04:22 PM (#5454810)
Jays execute a double steal of home and second to perfection.
Can't remember last time I saw Toronto do that.
   28. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 13, 2017 at 04:23 PM (#5454811)
What's the book on Sierra, cfb? Legit prospect?
   29. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 13, 2017 at 04:27 PM (#5454813)
Wow. In his last start, Lester (most likely for the first time in his career) got a base hit and successfully threw to a base. Now he drives in the first run with a double that damn near left the park in dead center. #broadeningskillset
   30. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: May 13, 2017 at 04:28 PM (#5454814)
Did Fowler give up on that too soon? Looks like he could have caught it.
   31. cardsfanboy Posted: May 13, 2017 at 04:28 PM (#5454815)
What's the book on Sierra, cfb? Legit prospect?


Yes but he's being called up early still and everyone in the organization knows that. He's a legit hitter for average, has incredible speed and defense, but still isn't really major league ready.

In a perfect situation he would have spent all of 2017 in AAA with a September call up.
   32. cardsfanboy Posted: May 13, 2017 at 04:30 PM (#5454817)
Wow. In his last start, Lester (most likely for the first time in his career) got a base hit and successfully threw to a base. Now he drives in the first run with a double that damn near left the park in dead center. #broadeningskillset


Lester kills the Cardinals as a hitter. Of his 12 career hits, 5 of them have been against the Cardinals. (he also has 4 against the Reds though, so he thumps them too)
   33. salvomania Posted: May 13, 2017 at 04:30 PM (#5454818)
After that RBI double (following the muffed potential inning-ending DP) Jon Lester is now 5-for-22 lifetime against the Cardinals and 7-for-182 against everybody else.

Beverage to CFB.
   34. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 13, 2017 at 04:31 PM (#5454819)
He's a legit hitter for average, has incredible speed and defense,

I assume Willie McGee is the comp?
   35. cardsfanboy Posted: May 13, 2017 at 04:34 PM (#5454821)
I assume Willie McGee is the comp?


Maybe, I was thinking Kenny Lofton, Sierra has more discipline than McGee.

He's considered to be the top position prospect in the organization(potentially) just not refined enough to know whether or not he'll develop power.

Note: this isn't to say he's a hof caliber player like Lofton, it's to say that his tools and skills resemble Lofton's.
   36. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 13, 2017 at 04:43 PM (#5454825)
He's considered to be the top position prospect in the organization(potentially) just not refined enough to know whether or not he'll develop power.

Note: this isn't to say he's a hof caliber player like Lofton, it's to say that his tools and skills resemble Lofton's.

Interesting. Is the plan to put him in center and move Fowler to a corner eventually?
   37. Walt Davis Posted: May 13, 2017 at 04:49 PM (#5454826)
Nice graphic. With Happ's debut, Cubs 1st round picks from 2011 to 2015 have all made the majors, 4 in the lineup today.

By the way, what move did the Cubs make to add Happ? He needed to be added to the 40-man too right?
   38. cardsfanboy Posted: May 13, 2017 at 04:51 PM (#5454828)
Interesting. Is the plan to put him in center and move Fowler to a corner eventually?


I don't think there is a huge plan, he's barely 21(turned 21 1 month ago) years old, and has only played at high A level, the plan if there was one, was to see if he could succeed in A+, AA and make it to AAA by the end of the season..with a potential call up, if not, then he was going to more than likely start in AAA next year... I don't think the team really planned on him making his major league debut this year(at least not before September) And even next year would have been rushing him a bit. By scouts he is 1. best defender in the organization, 2. best arm in the organization 3. fastest player in the organization (and there was 4th one, but not sure what it was off the top of my head)

The team looks to be Fowler, Piscotty, Grichuk and Pham going forward in the outfield, with the fifth spot being occupied by whoever they can get.... Hader is actually more Major league ready than Sierra, but he doesn't have the superstar potential that some people see in Sierra. (and he's not on the 40 man roster)
   39. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: May 13, 2017 at 04:51 PM (#5454829)
They sent Pena down. They had room on the 40 man, so no move necessary there.
   40. cardsfanboy Posted: May 13, 2017 at 04:52 PM (#5454830)
Nice graphic. With Happ's debut, Cubs 1st round picks from 2011 to 2015 have all made the majors, 4 in the lineup today.


Cardinals announcers mentioned that earlier, again I was barely paying attention so I missed the salient points, but apparently what you posted was what they mentioned. That is kinda cool.
   41. cardsfanboy Posted: May 13, 2017 at 04:54 PM (#5454832)
That is what I like to see... Pham stealing and Sierra up to bat... That is how you make the opposition sweat(and of course Sierra then strikes out...pffftttt)
   42. cardsfanboy Posted: May 13, 2017 at 04:55 PM (#5454833)
Cardinal announcer mentioned how shocked he is that this was only the fifth stolen base attempt on Jon Lester, and the first successful steal, when everyone knows he won't throw over....

you are saying that a guy who has an 80% success rate of stopping steals is someone to take advantage of?
   43. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: May 13, 2017 at 04:56 PM (#5454835)
Well that was pathetic
   44. cardsfanboy Posted: May 13, 2017 at 04:56 PM (#5454836)
That is how you take advantage of Lester, although it didn't actually require him to throw the ball.
   45. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 13, 2017 at 04:56 PM (#5454837)
So the FSN broadcaster just said this: "It's an overstated term, and it's understated in this league: Speed can do some damage."
   46. cardsfanboy Posted: May 13, 2017 at 04:57 PM (#5454839)
That was declared a hit by Martinez, first hit of the game for the Cardinals.
   47. cardsfanboy Posted: May 13, 2017 at 04:59 PM (#5454840)
I love that stat, it's a silly stupid stat, but Carlos Martinez is now tied with Jed Gyorko for the most rbi's this week with his fifth rbi there.
   48. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:00 PM (#5454841)
So they gave Martinez a single, and second on the throw. I think they should have given him a double.
   49. cardsfanboy Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:00 PM (#5454842)
I'm thinking Diaz is clearly one of those hot/cold guys, guys who go two weeks somehow finding hits no matter what, and then another two weeks just unable to buy a hit.
   50. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:01 PM (#5454843)
Oy
   51. cardsfanboy Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:02 PM (#5454844)
So they gave Martinez a single, and second on the throw. I think they should have given him a double.


I'm not even sure how they could call it a hit... it was clearly a fielders choice.... but homefield scorekeeping I guess. Even if you argue the runner would have been save at home, it was a choice to go after the runner.
   52. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:02 PM (#5454845)
Haha, love the contrast with the throw down to first.
   53. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:03 PM (#5454846)
Cub defenders not exactly covering themselves in glory this inning.
   54. cardsfanboy Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:04 PM (#5454849)
Cub defenders not exactly covering themselves in glory this inning.


Just because it is funny(to me).... ftfy.
   55. salvomania Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:06 PM (#5454851)
Diaz and Carpenter swung at some terrible pitches in those two ABs w RISP. The patient hitters have walked, the others have gotten themselves out.
   56. cardsfanboy Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:13 PM (#5454856)
I think the scouting report against the Cubs must have been swing early and often, because this team has just been hyper aggressive, for both of these games. Especially the guys like Carpenter, Fowler and even Diaz who can work the count a bit.
   57. cardsfanboy Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:14 PM (#5454858)
Gyorko ups his average, rbi and homerun total in one swing.
   58. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:16 PM (#5454860)
Gyorko ups his average, rbi and homerun total in one swing.

That's...usually the way it happens, no?
   59. cardsfanboy Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:17 PM (#5454861)
At least the speed of Yadier is being shown off in this game.
   60. cardsfanboy Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:18 PM (#5454863)

That's...usually the way it happens, no?


I know, I thought it would be funny. (imitation of what I think some crappy tv announcers would say)
   61. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:19 PM (#5454864)
Part of me hopes Pham ends up in Japan, playing for the Pham Pfighters.
   62. salvomania Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:19 PM (#5454865)
Be serious, dammit, CFB... this is BASEBALL
   63. cardsfanboy Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:20 PM (#5454866)
The way Pham has played, it's going to be a while before he gets booted to Japan.
   64. cardsfanboy Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:20 PM (#5454869)
Be serious, dammit, CFB... this is BASEBALL


Football is the No Fun League... :)
   65. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:21 PM (#5454871)
I know, I thought it would be funny. (imitation of what I think some crappy tv announcers would say)

I'm a bit slow.
   66. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:21 PM (#5454872)
Good, maybe that will spare us more of this tedious "steal on Lester" narrative for a couple innings
   67. cardsfanboy Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:22 PM (#5454873)
Contreras just has a cannon for an arm. Great play by Contreras....
   68. cardsfanboy Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:22 PM (#5454874)
I'm a bit slow.


Me too, but I have a bad knee and a swollen ankle.
   69. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:23 PM (#5454875)
Wow, Sierra looks like he can fly.

EDIT: Bosio does not.

EDIT EDIT: Heh.
   70. cardsfanboy Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:24 PM (#5454878)
Sierra can fly, outside of Hamilton, I would put him up against anyone in the league in a footrace.
   71. cardsfanboy Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:25 PM (#5454879)
That was funny, good pick off move by Lester.
   72. salvomania Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:25 PM (#5454881)
Cardinals continue to cement their rep as Worst Baserunning Team in Baseball.
   73. salvomania Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:27 PM (#5454882)
8 runners picked off in 2017 so far, IIRC.
   74. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:27 PM (#5454883)
Sierra can fly, outside of Hamilton, I would put him up against anyone in the league in a footrace.

Yeah, I was thinking he looked borderline Hamilton-esque running out his hit.
   75. cardsfanboy Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:32 PM (#5454887)
Sad thing is that he is a really bad basestealer, as Salvo points out the Cardinals are just a piss poor baserunning team, and that goes throughout the organization..

In theory, Wong and Diaz should be over 20 sb players, Piscotty and Grichuk should be 15+ sb players, but they all suck at jumps, and when they do decide they are going to steal, they telegraph the move to the opposition. Sierra has only a 67% success rate in the minors(it's one of the knocks against him)
   76. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:33 PM (#5454888)
Come on, Happ, that was a bullsh*t slide and you know it. So do you, Joe.
   77. cardsfanboy Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:34 PM (#5454890)
Sorry, that is a bullshit call that goes my team way....

That is like the poorly worded in the crease rule in hockey from a few years back.
   78. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:35 PM (#5454891)
No, that was absolutely the right call. Shut up, Maddon. And also shut up, FSN announcer with your "back in my day, we played the real game" crap.
   79. cardsfanboy Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:35 PM (#5454893)
It was the right call, it was a bullshit rule....

You never want to win a game with a run being taken off the field because of rules lawyering. If he makes a normal slide, the results on the field would have been exactly the same. I don't really like football, and I hate penalties that take away results.

note: not saying the Cardinals are going to win the game, it was a broad general statement.
   80. cardsfanboy Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:39 PM (#5454895)
really shouldn't have had back to back caught stealing when you have Carlos Martinez(or Babe Ruth jr) up to bat next.
   81. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:39 PM (#5454896)
It's not "lawyering," and it's not about the results of that one specific play - it's about deterring, and hopefully eventually eliminating, the kind of slide that (a) is blatantly intended for no other purpose than to interfere with the fielder making the play, and (b) carries a high risk of injury to the fielder. That's a worthy goal.
   82. salvomania Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:45 PM (#5454902)
The pitch chart of the nine pitches thrown to Diaz so far this AB has none of them in the zone

Exaggerating, seven
   83. cardsfanboy Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:47 PM (#5454904)
I get all of that, it doesn't mean I like it. I mean Mike Matheny was instrumental in getting the rule changed for home plate collisions and I support that, and I support getting rid of the take out slides at second base(Matt Holliday was notorious for them) at the same time, I also support reasonable restraint to the rules... Happ slid plenty early, but he just had a #### ton of momentum that it took him slightly past the bag(technically he violated the rule by less than 6 inches) and more importantly to me, he slid low instead of high, so he wasn't actually going after anyone.

Eliminate late slides, eliminate barrel rolls, and high slides those are where the danger lies, but a guy who did a proper slide, started it early enough, really shouldn't get the level of penalty that the Cubs got for that play. The Cardinals had no chance of turning two, the run would have scored etc.
   84. salvomania Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:49 PM (#5454906)
11-pitch AB so far, two in the zone
   85. salvomania Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:50 PM (#5454907)
Christ, Diaz finally takes a pitch and it's a freaking strike

He coulda walked twice in that AB
   86. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:51 PM (#5454908)
Matt Moore giving the Giants a nice outing today, one run allowed in seven very needed innings after last night's marathon.
   87. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:52 PM (#5454911)
Happ slid plenty early, but he just had a #### ton of momentum that it took him slightly past the bag(technically he violated the rule by less than 6 inches) and more importantly to me, he slid low instead of high, so he wasn't actually going after anyone.

To me it looked like he was significantly late and also went to the inside of the base to try to interfere, and then he slid a good two feet past the bag.

EDIT: "Sliding to the bag" means with your front foot, not barrelling through the bag but you can still reach back and touch it with your hand.
   88. salvomania Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:53 PM (#5454912)
The pitcher hits a double then the 1, 2 and 3 hitters all strike out.
   89. cardsfanboy Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:56 PM (#5454913)
watching another replay, I'll give you a foot on the slide, still not sure I would call it late though. Both of his feet slid over the base, so not sure I would call that inside or outside though..


Even Jim Edmonds, a Cardinal announcer doesn't agree with the call. (he agrees it's within the rules, just that he thinks in that particular situation, it was a bad call relative to the purpose of the rule)
   90. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:58 PM (#5454915)
Concur with #89. I know we're all about player safety, but I don't just want to give the second baseman ownership of the bag, especially when the play isn't just a totally easy out.
   91. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 13, 2017 at 05:58 PM (#5454916)
Even Jim Edmonds, a Cardinal announcer doesn't agree with the call.

Yeah, but he's just the one doing the "back in my day, we could play The Right Way" stuff.
   92. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 13, 2017 at 06:01 PM (#5454917)
Someone here was arguing a few weeks ago that the only situation in which a baserunner is allowed to deliberately interfere with a fielder is the slide at second base, and that it made no sense. It was persuasive.
   93. cardsfanboy Posted: May 13, 2017 at 06:03 PM (#5454918)
Yeah, but he's just the one doing the "back in my day, we could play The Right Way" stuff.


More or less, his point is that he is fine with eliminating agressive running, but that he didn't feel this particular play was agressive to that point.

Again I get it, the rules are like quality start, saves and wins, that they are written so that there is a range of acceptable outcomes to capture the rule, and that there will be times in which the rule allows a crappy result to happen, and considering that it's hard to trust umpires judgement, because they haven't always shown the ability to be reasonable.... it doesn't mean I have to agree with the call.


As a Cardinal fan, I loved the call. 100% great call, makes me happy. As a baseball fan I hated the call... I fully agree with the concept of the rule, and think it needs to be a focus point, but it doesn't mean I think you pull judgement away from the umps.
   94. salvomania Posted: May 13, 2017 at 06:05 PM (#5454920)
Cardianls ######## about every called strike but every one is a good pitch. They just need to stop swinging at all the pitches outside the zone.
   95. salvomania Posted: May 13, 2017 at 06:05 PM (#5454922)
Home plate ump has called a great game.

EDIT: That would be Bill Welke.
   96. cardsfanboy Posted: May 13, 2017 at 06:06 PM (#5454923)
As a baseball fan I would have not even minded them calling the runner out, and putting the runner back on third and letting the batter bat again(or even putting him on first).... awarding a double play on a play that had zero chance of being a double play just seems like you are taking the game too much away from the players.
   97. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 13, 2017 at 06:07 PM (#5454924)
Well, where do you draw the line, then, if not for that slide? Happ's entire body was past the bag when he finished.
   98. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 13, 2017 at 06:08 PM (#5454925)
awarding a double play on a play that had zero chance of being a double play just seems like you are taking the game too much away from the players.

Again - deterrent.
   99. cardsfanboy Posted: May 13, 2017 at 06:13 PM (#5454928)
Well, where do you draw the line, then, if not for that slide? Happ's entire body was past the bag when he finished.


That is when you trust your umpires. Let them make a judgement call on intent. The rule doesn't allow them to make the judgment call, the second he got far enough past the bag that he couldn't touch the bag, there was no option for the umpires.

And I get that it's a slippery slope. And heck I might be the first person on the bandwagon to remove umpire judgement from the play calling if they f- it up too much.... I get all of that, I get that this was called properly etc... but as a baseball fan watching that play, it just feels wrong.

In a vacuum.... forget rules and regulations, and just watch that play and look and think of what should have happened based upon your knowledge of baseball. Think about fairness, think about intent and even other rules etc...and think what should have been called on that play.

   100. cardsfanboy Posted: May 13, 2017 at 06:13 PM (#5454929)
Pham makes it 4-1... He's having a nice few weeks right now.
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