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Monday, February 08, 2010

Dodger Thoughts: Time to stop believin’ in ‘Don’t Stop Believin’’ at Dodger Stadium

The betting here is that the playing of “Don’t Stop Believin’” in the middle of the eighth inning at Dodger Stadium will disappear, now that former Dodger exec Dr. Charles Steinberg is no longer around to champion it. Maybe it would have disappeared even if Steinberg had stayed. It wasn’t getting any fresher over time. (Sorry, Eric.)

If the Dodgers decide to replace the Journey anthem with another song, what would you like it to be?

My default answer on questions like these is Bruce Springsteen’s “Born to (Score a Game-Winning) Run” or Sam Cooke’s “Shake,” but I don’t think too hard about such things. I’m really quite satisfied with “Take Me Out to the Ballgame” in the seventh. But I am interested in your ideas ...

Tripon Posted: February 08, 2010 at 06:21 PM | 51 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: February 08, 2010 at 08:13 PM (#3456148)
"Body Shot" by Electric Six.
   2. My Grate Friend, Peason Posted: February 08, 2010 at 08:17 PM (#3456150)
"This is the New Sh*t" by Marilyn Manson.

For the kiddies.
   3. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: February 08, 2010 at 08:21 PM (#3456152)
Jethro Tull's 22 minute or so version of 'Thick as a Brick'.
   4. Harry Balsagne's transparent jealousy Posted: February 08, 2010 at 08:21 PM (#3456153)
"Findem F*ckem and Flee" by NWA.
   5. berselius Posted: February 08, 2010 at 08:23 PM (#3456156)
Bah, if anything they should be playing MORE Journey songs
   6. Baseballs Most Beloved Figure Posted: February 08, 2010 at 08:25 PM (#3456157)
"The Lark Ascending," by Ralph Vaughan Williams.
   7. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 08, 2010 at 08:28 PM (#3456159)
As a kid, I always loved the Royals playing "Minnie the Moocher" late in the game. Last year they solicited fans to come up with a team song for late in the game, and I was disappointed it wasn't even a nominee and they elected to go with Garth Brooks. Bleg.

I still think its kind of cool the Red Sox play "Sweet Caroline." Its a stupid manufactured gimmick that all these other teams are trying to find a "team song."
   8. Enrico Pallazzo Posted: February 08, 2010 at 08:29 PM (#3456161)
Personally, I prefer Otis Redding's version of "Shake" to Sam Cooke's. But I guess you can't go wrong with either.
   9. Accent Shallow Posted: February 08, 2010 at 08:30 PM (#3456163)
Bah, if anything they should be playing MORE Journey songs


Oh no, sir. I must say you're wrong. I must disagree, oh no sir, I must say you're wrong. Won't you listen to me?

/tucks
   10. PreservedFish Posted: February 08, 2010 at 08:33 PM (#3456164)
At what point did Don't Stop Believin become such a phenomenon? Did the White Sox have anything to do with it?

The song was always popular but is now ubiquitous.
   11. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: February 08, 2010 at 08:34 PM (#3456167)
they could have Steve Garvey do a rendition of "Havin My Baby"
   12. Barnaby Jones Posted: February 08, 2010 at 08:35 PM (#3456169)
That is quite a tortured headline.
   13. The cushions are crowded for Edmundo Posted: February 08, 2010 at 08:39 PM (#3456173)
Bah, if anything they should be playing MORE Journey songs

Is berselius from the Bizarro world? I can find no other plausible explanation for his posting.
   14. PreservedFish Posted: February 08, 2010 at 08:45 PM (#3456177)
Journey is a funny band. Obviously they're atrocious, but they're also kind of brilliant. One of those bands that you aren't sure how to admit how much you like them: do you hate them? Do you genuinely like them? Or only enjoy them in a strictly ironic manner? Maybe only when you're drunk?
   15. Tripon Posted: February 08, 2010 at 08:47 PM (#3456179)
Probably when you're drunk.
   16. tfbg9 Posted: February 08, 2010 at 08:47 PM (#3456180)
Anything by Blowfly seems like a fine idea to me...or maybe the Mentors?*


*just trying to come up with the least appropriate bands possible.
   17. tfbg9 Posted: February 08, 2010 at 08:47 PM (#3456181)
GG Allin?
   18. Dewey, Steven Wright Wannabe and Soupuss Posted: February 08, 2010 at 08:49 PM (#3456183)
At what point did Don't Stop Believin become such a phenomenon? Did the White Sox have anything to do with it?

The song was always popular but is now ubiquitous.


According to Wiki, the 2005 White Sox were the first sports team to use it (thanks to AJ Pierzynski), but it really took off in popularity when it was used in the Sopranos finale, in 2007.

FWIW, Steve Perry supposedly is a Giants fan, and hates that the Dodgers use it.
   19. Tripon Posted: February 08, 2010 at 08:50 PM (#3456185)
Apparently Arcade Fire or The Grizzles has become mainstream, so hippie music is the new pop country now.
   20. SoSH U at work Posted: February 08, 2010 at 08:51 PM (#3456186)
Journey is a funny band. Obviously they're atrocious, but they're also kind of brilliant. One of those bands that you aren't sure how to admit how much you like them: do you hate them? Do you genuinely like them? Or only enjoy them in a strictly ironic manner? Maybe only when you're drunk?


Other than when Al Czervik says, "So what? So let's dance," I've never felt a twinge of conflict regarding any of Journey's musical output.
   21. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: February 08, 2010 at 08:51 PM (#3456187)
They made good use of "Don' Stop ..." in the movie "Monster." In any event, at the ballpark I'll take it over rap metal any day of the week. Better yet: no music!
   22. PreservedFish Posted: February 08, 2010 at 08:54 PM (#3456188)
Other than when Al Czervik says, "So what? So let's dance," I've never felt a twinge of conflict regarding any of Journey's musical output.


I used to act grumpy whenever I heard Journey. But I've been to enough bars and parties where "Don't Stop Believin" precipitates a drunken female stampede to the dancefloor to change that stance.
   23. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: February 08, 2010 at 09:01 PM (#3456191)
Journey is a funny band. Obviously they're atrocious, but they're also kind of brilliant. One of those bands that you aren't sure how to admit how much you like them: do you hate them? Do you genuinely like them? Or only enjoy them in a strictly ironic manner? Maybe only when you're drunk?

None of the above? I've never wanted to hear a Journey song (nor, obviously, do I own their stuff), but do like Perry's voice and can totally see why something anthemic like "Don't Stop" would catch on, while I don't understand (on an personal/emotional level) why lots of other popular stuff does.
   24. Greg Goosen at 30 Posted: February 08, 2010 at 09:01 PM (#3456192)
"Metal Machine Music" by Lou Reed
   25. Crispix Attacks Posted: February 08, 2010 at 09:04 PM (#3456194)
I used to act grumpy whenever I heard Journey. But I've been to enough bars and parties where "Don't Stop Believin" precipitates a drunken female stampede to the dancefloor to change that stance.


Even allowing for that, the problem is that the song is undanceable, so this rush to the dancefloor is just followed by mass unison karaoke.
   26. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 08, 2010 at 09:05 PM (#3456195)

According to Wiki, the 2005 White Sox were the first sports team to use it (thanks to AJ Pierzynski), but it really took off in popularity when it was used in the Sopranos finale, in 2007.


The Royals played it some in 2003 when they had their improbable first half run.
   27. YR Denies Jesus Montero Posted: February 08, 2010 at 09:07 PM (#3456198)
They made good use of "Don' Stop ..." in the movie "Monster."


They sure did, I always think of that song as a prototypical skating rink ballad from the 80s.
   28. Dewey, Steven Wright Wannabe and Soupuss Posted: February 08, 2010 at 09:09 PM (#3456199)
The Royals played it some in 2003 when they had their improbable first half run.

Maybe that's why the Royals spent the offseason accumulating ex-White Sox players - to try and re-capture that chemistry.
   29. PreservedFish Posted: February 08, 2010 at 09:11 PM (#3456200)
skating rink ballad


What a terrific phrase!
   30. Swedish Chef Posted: February 08, 2010 at 09:16 PM (#3456205)
"The colossus crawls west" by Guided By Voices.
   31. Van Lingle Mungo Jerry Posted: February 08, 2010 at 09:35 PM (#3456231)
"Hello Dad, I'm In Jail" by Was (Not Was)
   32. Charlie O Posted: February 08, 2010 at 09:48 PM (#3456252)
The first couple of Journey albums (before Steve Perry joined) weren't bad. They were kind of like Santana-lite.

I did a lot of skating in the early 80s. The songs from Pink Floyd's The Wall were played to death at the rinks in the Oakland suburbs.
   33. bunyon Posted: February 08, 2010 at 10:05 PM (#3456269)
I think they should just play God Bless America again. Maybe twice.


It is funny how things catch on, isn't it? I mean, I readily admit I like Journey (a neighbor who was a few years older than me used to play it constantly and it was, more or less, my introduction to popular music, so much of my like may be sentiment, but still, I like it. Shoot me). But I can tell there is no more reason for Journey to catch on than dozens of other bands. Why them? Luck? Intangibles? Politics?
   34. gef the talking mongoose Posted: February 08, 2010 at 10:13 PM (#3456279)
But I can tell there is no more reason for Journey to catch on than dozens of other bands. Why them? Luck? Intangibles? Politics?


Appallingly complete lack of taste by the public, your idiot neighbor obviously included?

Also, my song nomination --

"Frankie Teardrop" by Suicide, though I could see Throbbing Gristle's "Zyklon B Zombie" earning some support as well ...
   35. Tom Nawrocki Posted: February 08, 2010 at 10:14 PM (#3456284)
According to Wiki, the 2005 White Sox were the first sports team to use it (thanks to AJ Pierzynski), but it really took off in popularity when it was used in the Sopranos finale, in 2007.


Here's a good example of why you should always tread lightly with Wikipedia. The finale of "The Sopranos" has approximately zero to do with the popularity of "Don't Stop Believin'," which was really popular long before then.

Personally, I'm more partial to "Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin'."
   36. Dewey, Steven Wright Wannabe and Soupuss Posted: February 08, 2010 at 10:35 PM (#3456316)
The finale of "The Sopranos" has approximately zero to do with the popularity of "Don't Stop Believin'," which was really popular long before then.

The question is why it became even more popular recently.
   37. jdbkaput Posted: February 08, 2010 at 10:56 PM (#3456338)
Journey is the Adam Kennedy of 1980s pop. Which is better than you think.
   38. Mat Gleason Posted: February 08, 2010 at 11:15 PM (#3456357)
How about Los Angeles by X? Well... until they start to sing about who she hated...
   39. Leroy Kincaid Posted: February 08, 2010 at 11:34 PM (#3456375)
I don't mind Journey. Seems they're one of those things that people say they hate because they think everyone else hates them. That being said, I agree with what some have already said: that there probably shouldn't be any music at all. Maybe just organ music. Or I liked it when they would play something that wasn't requested by the player. Like "I Don't Care Anymore" for Hideo Nomo or Volare for Randy Velarde. Nothing wrong with a little levity now and then.
   40. nick swisher hygiene Posted: February 09, 2010 at 12:26 AM (#3456415)
Journey is sentimental ####, but they're brilliant sentimental ####. They never stopped believing in the power of high-voiced rock balladry. If there was even the slightest hint of irony about Journey, the whole thing would have failed.

My vote for the replacement wd be a nice tasty Warren Zevon number....what about "Desperados Under the Eaves"?


And if California slides into the ocean
Like the mystics and statistics say it will
I predict this motel will be standing until I pay my bill
   41. SoSH U at work Posted: February 09, 2010 at 12:47 AM (#3456427)
My vote for the replacement wd be a nice tasty Warren Zevon number....what about "Desperados Under the Eaves"?


Or Lawyers, Guns and Money, at least until the divorce is final.
   42. Best Dressed Chicken in Town Posted: February 09, 2010 at 12:59 AM (#3456439)
Here's a good example of why you should always tread lightly with Wikipedia. The finale of "The Sopranos" has approximately zero to do with the popularity of "Don't Stop Believin'," which was really popular long before then.

Disagree. I hear that song all the time since the Sopranos, much more than I did before. I never knew Wiki had an opinion on the subject until now.
   43. nick swisher hygiene Posted: February 09, 2010 at 01:14 AM (#3456449)
Wikip: "Allmusic has described the song [DSB] as "an anthem for the young who wanted to feel free and unrestricted", featuring "one of the best opening keyboard riffs in rock.""

The authors of Allmusic would seem to lack an understanding of irony.

The Sopranos made the song popular among one segment of people--call them hipsters--which is not the same thing as creating the song's popularity.

The ironic hipster holds a lighter aloft with one hand; he uses the other to make "scare quotes."
   44. SugarBear Blanks Posted: February 09, 2010 at 01:16 AM (#3456451)
Disagree.

Totally agree with your disagreement. Much more run since Tony and family went dark.

I feel less guilty about liking the pre-Escape stuff ("Feelin' That Way/Anytime," "Lovin Touchin Squeezin," "Lights," etc.), but have to confess to liking the Escape stuff right around as much.(**) In concert, Journey would replace "born and raised in South Detroit," with "born and raised right here in [INSERT LOCAL TOWN NAME]." That makes me like the song more, which just shows how utterly senseless these things can be.

(**) Other than "Open Arms," which I find irrevocably terrible. There are likely others not coming to mind which fall in the same category.
   45. SugarBear Blanks Posted: February 09, 2010 at 01:26 AM (#3456459)
Wikip: "Allmusic has described the song [DSB] as "an anthem for the young who wanted to feel free and unrestricted", featuring "one of the best opening keyboard riffs in rock.""

The authors of Allmusic would seem to lack an understanding of irony.


Yeah, that's a bit much. Journey songs, and songs in a similar vein, appeal as an organic whole -- a unified gestalt. Once you start separating out components and critiquing them and saying "Yeah, that's what makes that song good," you're setting yourself up for serious ridicule.
   46. Tim McCarver's Orange Marmalade Posted: February 09, 2010 at 01:46 AM (#3456468)
(score) "One for My Baby (And One More for the Road)", sung by Tim McCarver.

http://www.amazon.com/McCarver-Sings-Selections-American-Songbook/dp/B002OJGGH6
   47. Gold Star for Robothal Posted: February 09, 2010 at 02:45 AM (#3456501)
I was actually going to suggest "Desperadoes Under the Eaves" as well, kind of blown away someone preceded me to it. "Play It All Night Long" would be a lot of fun.

Also, bonus points for perfectly apt usage of gestalt. Though I'd disagree -- the critic's job is to analyze particular components, and then to explain how they do or do not relate together to make a superior or inferior aesthetic whole.
   48. PreservedFish Posted: February 09, 2010 at 02:50 AM (#3456507)
We all know they're just going to choose Sweet Caroline. Or, possibly, Who Let the Dogs Out.
   49. Random Transaction Generator Posted: February 09, 2010 at 03:19 AM (#3456526)
The ending of the "Sopranos" pushed the song to another level, and it helped that it started showing up in tributes to the Sopranos by other shows. For example, "The Apprentice" had a "Sopranos" ending for the episode one of the cast members got eliminated.
And, of course, some thing by some woman.

When "Glee" did it, that pushed it into hipster-level use.
   50. depletion Posted: February 09, 2010 at 07:50 PM (#3456977)
"If I Can't Get Drunk, I Don't Want to Live" by Northern California's Flipper.
Violin Concerto (op. 36) by Brentwood resident Arnold Schoenberg.

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