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Thursday, April 04, 2013

Dodger Thoughts: Weisman: Does loud equal fun?

Loudness WAR.

“Boy, the music is loud,” said Vin Scully with some apparent irritation as the Dodger broadcast came back from commercial tonight, before following with his usual geniality, “Let’s get back to this one.”

It was the top of the sixth inning – typical storytelling time for Scully – but one of two things happened. Either the telecast came back too late to capture the bulk of a story for which “Boy, the music is loud” was the punchline, or the music was just so loud that no one could think straight.

It doesn’t really matter, because this much we know: The music at Dodger Stadium is loud.

And here’s the thing. One assumes the music is loud because loud equals fun in the modern-day math. But what I don’t understand is whom they’re making it loud for.

In general, older people a) don’t want loud music and b) have more trouble hearing than younger people. So if the music was a touch softer, it would still be plenty loud for the hipsters, and the old folk would be just as happy.

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   1. will Posted: April 04, 2013 at 08:28 AM (#4403979)
The only thing less logical then too loud music at regular season games, is too loud music at spring training games. In the first week of spring training in Clearwater, being in our mid-50s left my wife and I younger then 80% of the crowd. Loud music from this century blasts for the 10-15 miutes leading up to the first pitch. Why ?
   2. beer on a stick Posted: April 04, 2013 at 08:36 AM (#4403984)
Nats Park has this same problem. They have the music turned up to NFL-stadium levels.
   3. Drexl Spivey Posted: April 04, 2013 at 08:46 AM (#4403990)
What was really annoying were the WBC broadcasts of games that involved Asian teams. Every team had inflated sticks that the fans would bang together to create noise.

The announcers would always play it off as being a positive by saying things like "Look at how into the game the fans are!" This isn't soccer. We don't need any additional noise in order to enjoy a game.

   4. pthomas Posted: April 04, 2013 at 08:49 AM (#4403992)
Its Time For........Dodger Earplugs!!!!
   5. Lassus Posted: April 04, 2013 at 08:58 AM (#4403996)
   6. depletion Posted: April 04, 2013 at 09:02 AM (#4403998)
Nats Park has this same problem. They have the music turned up to NFL-stadium levels.

My times at Nats park were an improvement over my last experience at RFK. Maybe you sat closer to the speakers than I, beer on a stick. I'm a loud music fan but not at the ballpark. Unbelievable how they fill every inning break, pitching change, and visit to the mound as if Motorhead was about to come on stage. I can't have a conversation with the person next to me without yelling. It isn't fun, Nats Park. It's a drag.
   7. Rants Mulliniks Posted: April 04, 2013 at 09:17 AM (#4404008)
I want noise at a ballpark, but it shoudl be coming from people cheering, clapping, chanting and yelling, not speakers.
   8. Swoboda is freedom Posted: April 04, 2013 at 09:20 AM (#4404010)
Its Time For........Dodger Earplugs!!!!

In other words, a Dodger Dog.
   9. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: April 04, 2013 at 09:21 AM (#4404012)
My times at Nats park were an improvement over my last experience at RFK. Maybe you sat closer to the speakers than I, beer on a stick. I'm a loud music fan but not at the ballpark. Unbelievable how they fill every inning break, pitching change, and visit to the mound as if Motorhead was about to come on stage. I can't have a conversation with the person next to me without yelling. It isn't fun, Nats Park. It's a drag.

It's the same at Camden Yards and probably every other stadium. If computer hackers ever wanted a surefire way to improve their public image, they might consider disabling the speakers systems in a few high profile ballparks. The ####### morons who have this strange need to fill every waking moment with loud music could just use their iPod Linus blankets to fill the void.
   10. BDC Posted: April 04, 2013 at 09:28 AM (#4404021)
Somebody page Andy to the thread and he and I can trade commiserations and complaints for about 400 posts :) I pretty much tune out the noise anymore, strange as that sounds. The Ballpark for me is like a cone of silence, ensured by the fact that it's impossible to interact with other human beings, or often to hear one's self think. I've taken to reading a book between innings; it's so loud that there are no distractions.

Edit: dang, that was quick :)
   11. Drexl Spivey Posted: April 04, 2013 at 09:48 AM (#4404046)
Somebody page Andy to the thread and he and I can trade commiserations and complaints for about 400 posts


A complete aside: This reminds me so much about a joke on the show Archer about a character saying "paging Dr. Loggins" when someone was about to enter into the "Danger Zone."
   12. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 04, 2013 at 09:51 AM (#4404048)
This is very much in the get off my lawn vein, but I agree, sporting event music is entirely too loud. I don't mind a loud arena, but like #7 says, it should be organic, not canned.
   13. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: April 04, 2013 at 10:15 AM (#4404076)
This is very much in the get off my lawn vein, but I agree, sporting event music is entirely too loud. I don't mind a loud arena, but like #7 says, it should be organic, not canned.

Long before the canned crap intruded upon every moment of a stadium or arena experience, there were innumerable games I went to where the noise contributed to one's enjoyment, rather than virtually ruined it. The Capital Centre in the 70's during the Bullets' playoff run was absolutely deafening, but it was glorious because it was the product of 19,000 screaming fans, and not one overamped nerd in a sound booth. Memorial Stadium in Baltimore or RFK Stadium during Redskins' games could be equally as loud, but the noise wasn't artificial, and it made a big difference in your enjoyment of the game that it wasn't.

   14. Dan Evensen Posted: April 04, 2013 at 10:19 AM (#4404082)
I am 28 years old. I find ballpark music to be extremely loud, irritating and nothing more than a nuisance. This is true for major and minor league games that I have attended, as well as NBA games.

It wasn't always this way. I remember going to Utah Jazz games with my dad in the mid-1990s, before the 1997 Finals, the crowd noise machines and the moronic quest for record decibel levels. I remember being able to hear the squeak of shoes on the floor, and being able to watch the Jazz play defense without having some stupid hip-hop track play for 24 seconds.

I also very vaguely remember going to college football games where the bands provided the only musical entertainment (these would have been BYU games in 1990 or 1991 or so). At the last college game I attended, the canned soundtrack noise would occasionally drown out the bands as they played.

I don't know of any young people who enjoy ballpark noise. I find it completely bush league. I'm kind of surprised that there isn't more public backlash against this sort of thing. Then again, most people who find this annoying probably think that they're part of a small minority, it's not something urgent enough to require a lot of energy and attention, and I don't know how you'd even figure out who to complain to.
   15. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: April 04, 2013 at 10:37 AM (#4404109)
I don't know of any young people who enjoy ballpark noise. I find it completely bush league. I'm kind of surprised that there isn't more public backlash against this sort of thing. Then again, most people who find this annoying probably think that they're part of a small minority, it's not something urgent enough to require a lot of energy and attention, and I don't know how you'd even figure out who to complain to.

What's even more pathetic is that some teams like the Redskins are now pumping in artificial crowd noise in order to fool the TV audience into thinking that the stadium crowd is just fired up about a 3 yard gain as it is about a 30 yard touchdown run. I'd write it off as "What else would you ever expect from Dan Snyder?", except that I seriously doubt if he's the only offender.
   16. puck Posted: April 04, 2013 at 10:45 AM (#4404118)
So, do people like a loud park when they're watching on TV? I mean, if it's from the charge of the crowd rather than the stadium PA, I guess everyone does. But would it make you more likely to watch a game? I'm guessing the matchup, players, circumstances (playoff race?), and whether the game involves your local team influences the decision more.

In casual conversation I can't remember anyone saying they watched a game on TV because of the crowd. I guess ESPN thinks Yankee-Red Sox games are more of an event due to the crowd (at least they were events), and that might have worked the first 53 games they showed.

I come across the POV that atmoshphere is nearly as important as the teams/players involved often time on soccer boards and I wondered if anyone but a segment of the soccer-watching population cares much. (NBCSN seems to amp up the supporters' groups on MLS broadcasts in an effort to appeal to such people, who probably comprise the core of the small MLS TV audience.)
   17. zack Posted: April 04, 2013 at 11:04 AM (#4404137)
Its too loud, but that's not the problem. The problem is that it's anything other than organ music. The only amplified sound in the place should be the PA or the organ.
   18. Weeks T. Olive Posted: April 04, 2013 at 11:14 AM (#4404148)
What was really annoying were the WBC broadcasts of games that involved Asian teams. Every team had inflated sticks that the fans would bang together to create noise.

This might be the first time I ever felt old reading BBTF, seeing someone describe thundersticks as a new concept in baseball and not related to the 2002 Angels.
   19. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: April 04, 2013 at 11:14 AM (#4404149)
What's even more pathetic is that some teams like the Redskins are now pumping in artificial crowd noise in order to fool the TV audience into thinking that the stadium crowd is just fired up about a 3 yard gain as it is about a 30 yard touchdown run.

So, do people like a loud park when they're watching on TV?


It does defy common sense, but then Danny Boy grew up in a culture where "AS SEEN ON TV" seemed to be pasted on every print ad for every conceivable cheesy product, and it's not hard to imagine that he thinks "AS HEARD ON TV" is a similarly brilliant marketing strategy.
   20. boteman is not here 'til October Posted: April 04, 2013 at 11:15 AM (#4404150)
OK, so we have young and old both complaining about how loud and irritating the artificial noise in the ballparks can be.

So who is going to lead the petition effort?
   21. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: April 04, 2013 at 11:17 AM (#4404153)
This might be the first time I ever felt old reading BBTF, seeing someone describe thundersticks as a new concept in baseball and not related to the 2002 Angels.

Well, where do you think the Angels got the idea from in the first place? (Hint: It's the country with a naughty Northern neighbor that resides above the 38th parallel.)
   22. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 04, 2013 at 11:19 AM (#4404157)

So, do people like a loud park when they're watching on TV? I mean, if it's from the charge of the crowd rather than the stadium PA, I guess everyone does. But would it make you more likely to watch a game? I'm guessing the matchup, players, circumstances (playoff race?), and whether the game involves your local team influences the decision more.

In casual conversation I can't remember anyone saying they watched a game on TV because of the crowd. I guess ESPN thinks Yankee-Red Sox games are more of an event due to the crowd (at least they were events), and that might have worked the first 53 games they showed.


I think there is at least a subconscious effect going on. All of these people are super-excited about this game, so I should be too. You may not tune in for that particular game for that reason, but maybe it makes you tune in to the rest of the series.

I think this definitely has an effect in soccer. Having super rabid fans has had a great effect on attracting casual fans and in some places, MLS games are seen as the cool place to be.
   23. winnipegwhip Posted: April 04, 2013 at 11:43 AM (#4404182)
Its Time For........Dodger Earplugs!!!!


That's funny

My viewpoint about stadium noise.
   24. SteveM. Posted: April 04, 2013 at 12:06 PM (#4404205)
What I love about college football is that in at least SEC stadiums, the music comes from both teams bands. At night, the crowd at Death valley at LSU is just deafening. On the other hand, I was shocked when i went to an Atlanta Hawks game a few years back and discovered they played music even while the game is being played. Do we have short attention spans in today's society that we to be entertained even when watching live action?
   25. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 04, 2013 at 12:16 PM (#4404214)

What I love about college football is that in at least SEC stadiums, the music comes from both teams bands.


I love this too, and one of my biggest disappointments in attending an Ohio State game for the first time since going to school there, was the incessant White Stripes "Seven Nation Army" blaring over the loudspeakers. You have "The Best Damn Band in the Land." USE THEM.
   26. Moeball Posted: April 04, 2013 at 12:36 PM (#4404238)
Well, tell the young'uns to turn down that noise! Back in our day we didn't have White Stripes on our faces, we wore eye black 'cause we were real men...oh, well, never mind.

There's so much music going on at a game nowadays 'cause I guess they figure the crowd has to be entertained and they aren't paying much attention to the game, anyways. I suppose every team probably has special music for their closer, too. It's kind of cliche now, but, once upon a time back in 1998 when they played AC/DC's "Hell's Bells" for the very first time with Trevor Hoffman coming in, it did send chills down my spine.
   27. bigglou115 Posted: April 04, 2013 at 01:16 PM (#4404285)
There's so much music going on at a game nowadays 'cause I guess they figure the crowd has to be entertained and they aren't paying much attention to the game, anyways. I suppose every team probably has special music for their closer, too. It's kind of cliche now, but, once upon a time back in 1998 when they played AC/DC's "Hell's Bells" for the very first time with Trevor Hoffman coming in, it did send chills down my spine.


Watching John Smoltz come out to Thunderstruck was always pretty cool to me.

One of the great things about Champions stadium (Braves ST in Orlando) is that pretty much all they play is classic rock. The whole park used to have kind of a retro vibe that they've now eschewed for endless Disney promotions, but the good music has survived and is always played at a comfortable level.
   28. jdennis Posted: April 04, 2013 at 01:28 PM (#4404302)
oh plz hipsters complain about cd tracks being mized too loud all the time.
   29. puck Posted: April 04, 2013 at 02:27 PM (#4404367)
I think this definitely has an effect in soccer. Having super rabid fans has had a great effect on attracting casual fans and in some places, MLS games are seen as the cool place to be.

I definitely think it matters for going to a game. Watching, though? MLS doesn't get great TV ratings. Maybe its increases have been partly due to stadium atmosphere, though.
   30. BDC Posted: April 04, 2013 at 02:36 PM (#4404377)
definitely has an effect in soccer

I don't know if canned noise has taken over the World Cup (recorded, that is, as opposed to those ####### vuvuzelas). But at the one match I ever went to live, the Brazil/Netherlands semifinal in Dallas in 1994, the experience was amazing. There was no hype or noise or music or thunderous announcements or clouds of smoke as guys rushed through archways or anything – in fact, the start of the match was basically an official rolling the ball toward midfield and the players running on after it. But the Brazilian supporters: you can imagine, by imagining your idea of a Brazilian football supporter and then multiplying by several powers. Most of them never stopped dancing. It was great fun just to watch and listen to the fans themselves.
   31. Karl from NY Posted: April 04, 2013 at 02:41 PM (#4404385)
For the counterpoint to this, attend a tennis tournament. I went to the US Open a year or two ago, and was thoroughly struck by how quiet everything was. No music, no noise, no scoreboard races or t-shirt cannons or incessant corporate promotry, no PA announcements other than routine stuff about scores. Tennis is about the only place you can still get that kind of quiet pastoral ballpark experience. Maybe cricket for those in the other hemisphere.
   32. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Posted: April 04, 2013 at 02:49 PM (#4404393)
Apologies if there's a movies thread going, but Warner Brothers appears to be lurking here and has announced Netflix for Andy (that is, classic movies). Congratulations Andy!
   33. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: April 04, 2013 at 03:13 PM (#4404436)
Apologies if there's a movies thread going, but Warner Brothers appears to be lurking here and has announced Netflix for Andy (that is, classic movies). Congratulations Andy!

That's a great offer if you like streaming, and I would have probably jumped at it about 5 or 10 years ago, but I've probably already got over 80% of those early WB movies on DVD already, and the stragglers are bound to show up on TCM in the not-too-distant future. Since TCM owns the TV rights to the entire Warners' library, it's only a matter of time.

Now if there were a similar deal being offered for the entire Kino and Criterion Collections, and for some of the leading foreign studios, then they'd really get my $9.99.
   34. Gary Truth Serum Posted: April 04, 2013 at 04:37 PM (#4404611)
Tennis is about the only place you can still get that kind of quiet pastoral ballpark experience. Maybe cricket for those in the other hemisphere.

Well, there's golf too. Kind of hard to blare music or noise when there's always somebody on the course about to swing.
   35. RMc's desperate, often sordid world Posted: April 04, 2013 at 05:14 PM (#4404687)
High school sports, too. A few years back I was setting up to broadcast a HS football game when the PA guy (who I'd had run-ins with before) decided to play really loud music over the PA system just before airtime. (And by "music", I mean pitiless, ear-melting sludge.) I ask him to turn it down so I can at least hear myself on the air. He smirks and turns it down .01%. I then proceed to tell him to turn it off, and keep it off, or I was cancelling the broadcast...and he could explain to his boss, the superintendent (who listened to every game) why the game wasn't on the air.

He turned it off.
   36. depletion Posted: April 04, 2013 at 05:26 PM (#4404704)
What's even more pathetic is that some teams like the Redskins are now pumping in artificial crowd noise in order to fool the TV audience

Perhaps at an empty restaurant they can play the sound of dishes being bussed and "Would you care for a cocktail before dinner?" so that I can think I'm at a really cool place, and am really cool myself. The sound of a traffic jam piped from an overpass on the Beltway at 3 am?
   37. vivaelpujols Posted: April 04, 2013 at 06:41 PM (#4404798)
So does hipster just mean "young person" now?
   38. Steve Treder Posted: April 04, 2013 at 07:01 PM (#4404813)
But at the one match I ever went to live, the Brazil/Netherlands semifinal in Dallas in 1994, the experience was amazing. There was no hype or noise or music or thunderous announcements or clouds of smoke as guys rushed through archways or anything – in fact, the start of the match was basically an official rolling the ball toward midfield and the players running on after it. But the Brazilian supporters: you can imagine, by imagining your idea of a Brazilian football supporter and then multiplying by several powers. Most of them never stopped dancing. It was great fun just to watch and listen to the fans themselves.

I don't know if it was 1994 or not, but anyway one year one of the World Cup games was played at Stanford Stadium, and Brazil played in it. The traveling troupe of Brazil fans numbers (as you know) in the hundreds, and they chose Los Gatos (the little town in which I now work) as their headquarters and basically took over the town for a week. It was nonstop party, all day, all night, every night. Delirious fun.

Los Gatans still haven't yet figured out what hit 'em.
   39. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: April 04, 2013 at 07:16 PM (#4404825)
One thing the restaurant/club/bar industry has taught everyone else is that noise drives consumption (of beverages.)
   40. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: April 04, 2013 at 07:17 PM (#4404828)
So does hipster just mean "young person" now?


It always has.
   41. Steve Treder Posted: April 04, 2013 at 07:21 PM (#4404831)
One thing the restaurant/club/bar industry has taught everyone else is that noise drives consumption (of beverages.)

I don't know how valid they are, but, yes, I recall reference to some studies that indicated that more decibels = more gulps and swallows. I think it had something to do with a heightened pulse rate and state of active alertness.

And, after all, what is a ballpark if not a huge-a$$ bar?
   42. Lassus Posted: April 04, 2013 at 07:22 PM (#4404832)
One thing the restaurant/club/bar industry has taught everyone else is that noise drives consumption (of beverages.)

So you can actually bear the noise. Insidious.
   43. Obo Posted: April 04, 2013 at 08:22 PM (#4404864)
My grumpy old man moment occurred a couple of years ago during my only visit to New Yankee Stadium. The music was so loud I had to wait until the ball was in play to talk to my friend in the seat next to me. I'm not a Yankee fan, so although I live in the city the memory of the unpleasant environment has been enough to prevent me from making the effort to return. As for music driving beer sales, they can't sell me anything if I'm not even in the park. Yeah I know I'm only one person, but still.
   44. flournoy Posted: April 04, 2013 at 08:32 PM (#4404873)
Tennis is about the only place you can still get that kind of quiet pastoral ballpark experience.


Track meets, too.

I don't really ever go to baseball games anymore, so I guess they can keep playing their loud music for all I care. I do hate that, though.
   45. cardsfanboy Posted: April 04, 2013 at 08:41 PM (#4404881)
I don't know how valid they are, but, yes, I recall reference to some studies that indicated that more decibels = more gulps and swallows. I think it had something to do with a heightened pulse rate and state of active alertness


I imagine that the sheer difficulty of having a conversation helps somewhat also. Talking slows down drinking, stop the talking and drinking becomes the natural replacement.
   46. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: April 04, 2013 at 09:32 PM (#4404909)
One thing the restaurant/club/bar industry has taught everyone else is that noise drives consumption (of beverages.)

Even the upscale restaurants often are impossible to hear yourself think in, only in many of those cases it's not loud music that does the trick, just deliberately bad acoustics.
   47. Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili(Teddy F. Ballgame) Posted: April 04, 2013 at 09:39 PM (#4404915)
Now if there were a similar deal being offered for the entire Kino and Criterion Collections


Don't know about Kino, but the entire Criterion Collection is available for streaming through Hulu Plus.
   48. Graham & the 15-win "ARod Vortex of suck" Posted: April 04, 2013 at 10:07 PM (#4404932)
I come across the POV that atmoshphere is nearly as important as the teams/players involved often time on soccer boards and I wondered if anyone but a segment of the soccer-watching population cares much. (NBCSN seems to amp up the supporters' groups on MLS broadcasts in an effort to appeal to such people, who probably comprise the core of the small MLS TV audience.)


Is this notion universal among soccer fans? If so, why? I had a roommate from Turkey who was a soccer fanatic. He taught me a lot about the game, but he's also seriously convinced that his favorite teams have great success because of their fans. For example, if he attends a big win for his team, he truly feels that his friends, fellow fans, and himself helped win the game. Our friends and I say, "You don't think team X won because they have much better players?" He does think that players contribute the most to the outcome, but he really believes the crowd tips the balance in close games. It's baffling to me. We would go to college basketball games together. He enjoys basketball, but can't stand American fans. He thinks that fans should just stand and cheer the entire time regardless of score, situation, etc., and honestly believes that we are ignoring a possible competitive advantage. Does the crowd really have that large of an effect on a soccer match? I just can't wrap my head around that notion.

Personally, I greatly enjoying going to games with friends and being boisterous in the spirit of fun. If I meet interesting people at the game, I also enjoy cheering in a lighthearted manner. However, canned cheers and making noise for the sake of noise rather than reacting to the game do nothing for me whatsoever. I would enjoy a game if I were sitting by myself as much as I would a game where people just yelled constantly for no discernible reason.
   49. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: April 04, 2013 at 11:56 PM (#4404974)
Now if there were a similar deal being offered for the entire Kino and Criterion Collections

Don't know about Kino, but the entire Criterion Collection is available for streaming through Hulu Plus.


Interesting, though both of those collections are also mostly all available via Netflix DVD rentals, and with patience they're beginning to show up on TCM with a fair degree of predictability. The truth is that even without streaming, there are so many movies that I want to see available via TV and Netflix DVDs that I can barely keep up with my DVD acquisition pace as it is. April's a slow month, but there are already 30 features on my schedule to record, including Lon Chaney's The Blackbird (already done), Peter Falk's Murder, Inc., Burt Lancaster's The Young Savages, Laurence Olivier's Term of Trial and The Entertainer, Frankie Darro's Wild Boys of the Road, Charlie Chaplin's silent version of The Gold Rush (re-released anew), Jack Nicholson's Little Shop of Horrors, and Alfred Hitchcock's first feature film, the 1929 Blackmail. I'm not sure whether or not those movies are all available for streaming (and that's just a partial list), but I do know that they're all being shown on TV for easy recording.
   50. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: April 05, 2013 at 12:05 AM (#4404979)
For example, if he attends a big win for his team, he truly feels that his friends, fellow fans, and himself helped win the game.


Eh, your friend is, well, a moron.

And yes, the contrived, loud music thing is not just confined to U.S. stadiums. Here in Australia they do the same thing. I grew up listening to loud, fast punk of the late 70's, so I know crappy music when I hear it. However, the drivel they play way too loud before the game is intolerable. Everyone around us in the stadium seems to complain about it, but yet it continues; year after year after year.
   51. tshipman Posted: April 05, 2013 at 02:00 AM (#4404997)
there are so many movies that I want to see available via TV and Netflix DVDs that I can barely keep up with my DVD acquisition pace as it is.


That's an odd euphemism for theft.

Re: Loud ballparks:

Do you guys also worry about the youth of today? They're always walking on my lawn, and they won't get off unless I shake a stick at them.
   52. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: April 05, 2013 at 03:41 AM (#4405002)
I don't know of any young people who enjoy ballpark noise. I find it completely bush league. I'm kind of surprised that there isn't more public backlash against this sort of thing.


I find it bush league too, but I'm also surprised how few people are bothered by it. When I bring it up the reply is usually, "Oh, it doesn't bother me" or "Huh. Guess I never noticed it". I also get that from people who live twenty feet from eight lane superhighways, so maybe it's us.

I want noise at a ballpark, but it shoudl be coming from people cheering, clapping, chanting and yelling, not speakers.
Well said.

It may be part of a broader phenomenon. After all, how many people enjoy thinking, which often requires some degree of quiet? And is anyone else irked by tv sets in doctors' waiting rooms? I typically want to use that time to review my notes and history towards getting the best diagnosis. Then, how about tv sets and canned music competing in the same waiting room? Last year I was in a waiting room. No one was paying attention to the tv, and I turned it off. One man looked very nervous and said, "I don't think you're allowed to do that."

Now, how about a tv set in the doctor's office, with the tv set playing a different channel in the waiting room, with the canned music still audible?
   53. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: April 05, 2013 at 03:44 AM (#4405003)
That's an odd euphemism for theft.


I believe the correct term is deferred viewing.

Re: Loud ballparks:

Do you guys also worry about the youth of today? They're always walking on my lawn, and they won't get off unless I shake a stick at them.


I worry about morons who are unable to think or enjoy the variety of human experience and therefore have to fill the air with the same old crappy music they've heard a hundred times before. I worry about them to the extent that they make an experience other than theirs difficult to achieve.
   54. richallen Posted: April 05, 2013 at 04:05 AM (#4405004)
We have goal music here in the UK. Fulham used to play Blur's "Song2" after all goals but eventually protests got them to stop. They kept citing survey findings saying how fans liked it but it was another one of those things where the actual people who were goign to games really really wanted it to stop. Teams like Bolton and Middlesbrough still do it though. Nonsense.
   55. Drexl Spivey Posted: April 05, 2013 at 05:48 AM (#4405006)
We have goal music here in the UK. Fulham used to play Blur's "Song2"


I like the idea of playing the first few seconds of that after a goal. "WoooooooHooooo." The problem is with music that interferes with conversations during the actual playing of the games.
   56. Belfry Bob Posted: April 05, 2013 at 07:17 AM (#4405021)
Camden Yard's music is much too loud. The worst offenders I've experienced were the late indoor lacrosse and soccer leagues' Baltimore teams...I went to one match of each and never returned...and the Towson Tigers football games. Went to two when they were hosting my alma mater - the last time the music was even worse than the first time - so loud that a number of other fans in my section actually left to go home. I didn't go that far, but I won't be going back.
   57. BDC Posted: April 05, 2013 at 09:08 AM (#4405062)
And is anyone else irked by tv sets in doctors' waiting rooms?

Doctors' offices, hotel lobbies (when there's nobody around), waiting rooms of all descriptions – hell, they've got TVs going sometimes now in our university library, I thought that was the sin against the Holy Ghost :) And most of these are not places where they're trying to sell more drinks. I suspect a wider societal ill of never wanting to hear ourselves think. I guess the term would be "sigaophobia."
   58. The Polish Sausage Racer Posted: April 05, 2013 at 04:49 PM (#4405602)
This is why I love going to games in Wrigley. It's such a relief after being bombarded by racket at other stadiums. It feels more like....baseball, despite being the Cubs.
   59. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: April 05, 2013 at 07:06 PM (#4405747)
hell, they've got TVs going sometimes now in our university library,


Holy ####. That's one I couldn't have called.

My local indy league stadium isn't too bad w the music. I think it's in large part because the sound system is so awful that turning it up renders the 'music' inaudible.
   60. Mayor Blomberg Posted: April 05, 2013 at 08:13 PM (#4405799)
Hell, I thought Anaheim Stadium was too loud in the 80s when I was in grad school. At least it was still Nancy Hefley at the organ at Chavez.
   61. jack the seal clubber (on the sidelines of life) Posted: April 05, 2013 at 09:03 PM (#4405842)
I never hear anyone say how much they like the imbecilic practice of 110 decibel noise at every instant of a game; this is probably the most unanimous agreement I have seen on anything. But still, the teams insist on doing it. There has to be some kind of a behavioral intent for them to keep doing it, since they have to be aware 97% of the fans wish they would shut the ####### noise down so we can talk and enjoy the game.
   62. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: April 06, 2013 at 04:57 AM (#4406042)
What?

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