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Congrats Dodgers fans, I'm rooting for your team unless they play the Rays.
yeah, but get a second opinion. it's their last strike. just make sure you made the right call.
i'm not a cubs fan or a dodger fan, but i think the right thing to do there is to make sure you get the call right. but hey, why bother right?
x2
2003 will always be the most crushing given the circumstances, but this is devastating in a completely different way. This team should've chugged along to the World Series and they didn't win a single game. The Dodgers had their breaks, but the Cubs did virtually nothing in the 27 innings of baseball played that indicated they even belonged to be participating in a postseason game.
For those of you keeping score at home, Soriano made the final out in Game 3 last year, too. He had a very good season, but for what he's paid, he's awful. I cannot wait until they decide to eat the rest of that contract and unload him. He does not fit the mold of where this team looks like it is going offensively.
"That's how many years it's gonna be the Cubs have not won a World Championship."
Burn!
The 2006 Cardinals say, "Duh."
As for Soriano, he was first-pitch swinging EVERY at-bat, and he played right into the Dodgers' hands. He needs to go.
Uhh, he's still got $108M due and a full no-trade. Good luck.
the city of houston is gloating and saying to everyone of those &*%R&@! who were booing the stros at wrigley north the morning after the hurricane - as well as aramis ramirez -
ha ha ha haaaaa HAHHHHHHHHH
like it would have made any difference if there was a game 4 tomorrow
now
if the angels would please remove their heads from their butts and come back and sweep the redsux
just to shut up kevin
- oh yeah
and i am now in LUUUUVVVV with james loney. AND curtis granderson.
In all fairness, the Angels had an unlucky first round draw, since the Red Sox are probably the best team in baseball.
EDIT: Also, assuming you're talking about the Angels (and I can't imagine you mean the White Sox or Brewers), Angels-Red Sox is the third game tomorrow, so there's a very good chance at least one of the other two series will end first.
now
if the angels would please remove their heads from their butts and come back and sweep the redsux
just to shut up kevin
Aw, I thought you liked some of us?
Twenty years since the Dodgers have won a postseason series - a damn long time. When you're a kid, and a fan of a successful team, you start to think of playoff appearances, if not more, as a birthright. Only after you've wandered in the desert for a while do you learn not to take such gifts for granted.
i always have and always will just luuuuuuvvvv you boy. you seriously rock.
it is a whole lot of your team's fans and players i don't like. and also the prejudice of BBTN
Anyways my condolances to cubs fans obviously, and congrats to the Dodgers. As a neutral, not having a horse in this race (other than which team we get to beat in the WS*), I would have liked to have seen this series as the NLCS. Mainly, because I just can't get behind either the Phillys or the Brewers. So good luck to the Dodgers in the next round, see you at Fenway**.
*yes I added that just to annoy bbc
** and this, too...
All year, you heard about how every day a different guy picked up the slack. How this team didn't have one leader-they had 10. Screw that. The playoffs come and the offense simply laid down, and the defense fell apart. The bullpen stunk those first 2 games too.
Maybe Soto is the guy, and as he matures, the team will follow his lead. But they can't rely on that unknown. Get a fiery winner on this team. Derek Jeter and David Ortiz aren't the only ones out there. I don't care what they have to give up to do it, because this team obviously doesn't have what it takes to advance in the playoffs. Who should they get? Hell, I don't know. Manny? There's really nowhere to put him, but he's the type of guy they need. The stadium could be crumbling around him and he wouldn't care. He'd still hit.
I just want to say, the playoffs withstanding, that this was a really fun season to be a Cubs fan. Thanks everybody for all the laughs and good times. We'll get there someday.
They could go with a Manny - Fukudome - Soriano outfield. Not that I think that is a good idea, but they can certainly make room for him without any trouble.
I'm rooting for the Cubs, but everyone whining about that call should do a reality check. I'm sorry your team lost, I'm sorry it's going to be 101 years, but it wasn't even close to questionable and there was no need to check with the first base umpire.
When Martin moved outside for the 2nd strike call, the Cubs fan I was watching with, a lifelong Chicago-born fan simply said: "Oh no."
When all you HUGE CUBBIE fans were getting SO COCKY in august I posted that you shouldn't get too excited as an October CHOKE was guaranteed. I was a "troll."
Hmmm...what happened to all those cocky cubby fans!?
http://apudgeisasandwich.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/cubs-fans.jpg
#### the cubs!!!
Based on this, you've only proved incontrovertibly you're a troll (and kind of a prick).
Condolences to Cub fans at BTF. After such a great regular season, to have such a lifeless 27 innings has got to completely suck.
http://assets.espn.go.com/media/apphoto/eb8f89d8-6a2b-4dda-9982-5c791f7f5b83.jpg
sorry bro dudes, next year is your year!
I feel sorry for Cubs fans, but lost in all this angst is the proper acclaim for Dodger starting pitching. Lowe's ERA was .59 in September - he's a quality starter who was hot going into this series. Billingsley has been one of the best starters in the league after his horrible April. And Kuroda had dominated the Cubs in his previous two starts against them. Lost in all the complaints about the Cubs choking is that the Dodgers' starters had a good combination of being good/hot/and matching up well against the Cubs.
The Cubs need a good left handed bat, imo. That way a team with very good rh starters can't do this to them.
Specific examples please. I took part in almost every Cubs chatter and related thread all season and saw nothing like this from any of our regulars. It's not our style.
And I really hope you aren't any older than I am (23), otherwise this is pretty pathetic.
To everyone in this thread offering sincere condolences, thank you. I'd rather have a World Series parade, but, hey, I'll take what I can get right now. :)
To the city of Houston- you're welcome. I'm glad we can provide joy somewhere, I guess. Enjoy the party! :)
To any Dodgers fans here: Congrats. That was an ass-kicking of massive proportions. I'm impressed.
To any Brewers or Rays fans who stop by to read this thread: I'm rooting for you guys now. Unless you think I'll be bad luck. Then I'll stop. :P
To my fellow Cub fan bretheren. It was a lot of fun chatting this year. Remember:
Cedeno's and Pie's HR's to beat the Mets.
Ramirez' 9th inning HR in Colorado in the 10,000th win.
The surprising sweep of the D-Backs.
The 9-run comeback vs. the Rockies.
The fun series vs. the Rays in Tampa.
The destruction of the White Sox in Wrigley.
The 4-game sweep in Milwaukee.
The strange weather series (part 1) vs. the Astros- Lance Berkman jumping at the lightning.
The 6-1 August march through Atlanta and Florida.
Z's no hitter.
The 4-run 9th vs. Salomon Torrres.
The clincher vs. the Cardinals.
And the fun and interesting as hell final week vs. the Mets and Brewers.
These are the memories I'll always have of this season (among many others). Let no playoff sweep erase them.
"Hey, someday we'll go all the way."
Nothing- that's what makes you the lovable losers!
http://assets.espn.go.com/media/apphoto/eb8f89d8-6a2b-4dda-9982-5c791f7f5b83.jpg
sorry bro dudes, next year is your year!
Guessing right doesn't necessarily mean it was an intelligent guess. Regardless of whether it was or not, the way you acted then, and the way you are acting now makes you a troll.
Me too. A healthy Mark Prior and Kerry Wood as starters would have at least managed to win one game between them...
I knew souless, ball-less, gutless, heartless, dickless Fred C Dobbs would finally show his face once the Cubs were finally eliminated. I'm glae he got his one chance to get his rocks off. It's almost a relief for me that somebody gets their one ejaculation a year out of this compared to the rest of us normally functioning people who can operate independently of baseball(yeah, even Beano, Dial, and Harris) and derive enjoyment from something other than the misery of others.
That would be great if Dusty was responsible for their injuries, but he wasn't. Now is not he time to debate this sort of thing though. It's an ugly time in Chicago right now. North and South. I suppose we should feel some pity for their fans, but I prefer to look on the bright side .. at least the White Sox have won something in the last 100 years.
To seal the deal, the Dodgers should sign Jesse Orosco. Not as a pitcher, but just to put black shoe polish inside Manny's doo-rag.
On the less bright side, any team that plays the Dodgers is my new 2nd favorite team, and damn. My condolences to Cubs fans. You lost the short season, but won the NL long season. Three bad games don't negate a 97-win season.
There were only 16 teams the first half of the 100 years, so they'd already missed the beam about three times by 1960.
To the Cubs fans all I can write is, "Rats".
Charlie Brown always knew how to quickly sum up a situation.
Which is equal to the Reds current WS winning streak. And Lou Piniella has been involved in 14 of those 18 games.
26 and a half, actually.
I hadn't seen the Dodgers play a single game after Manny joined them. I'd heard they were much better than their record indicated but damn I had no idea. I know it was just 3 games and the Cubs looked awful, but it certainly isn't hard to imagine the Dodgers winning the whole thing at this point.
they looked awful. This is the NLDS, not some split squad game in April.
I don't hang around in Cubs threads too much, but I am pretty shocked to see people hate the Cubs. I mean, they are the Cubs.
I can honestly say that I expected no better of you.
No kidding. Harris is a pathetic troll with nothing to say, except when it comes to whining about other teams' not doing enough to win his team's division title for them. Loser.
If the Phils win the pennant, they can thank the Dodgers for keeping them from having to face the Cubs. Whaddaya say to that, punk? (I know, he's got me on ignore, but I don't care.)
Wandered in the desert? Come back in 100 years and then we'll talk.
Yeah, no shite. I'm not even that old, and I have clear memories of the Dodgers winning two world series.
the '06 Yankees, IIRC, both had best record and the most runs scored in the AL, and lost to Detroit in 4 games.
As one without a dog in the fight, I had to root for the Cubs out of sheer romanticism.
To break the curse at a century even would have been poetic.
Alas, baseball and life oft deny us our dreams.
To lose in such a fashion was cruel.
2) Who in the hell is Harris?
As for Cubs fans, meh, if I weren't a Rangers fan, I'd feel bad for you, I guess. You guys at or near my age, you haven't suffered any more than I have. I feel bad for your fathers and grandfathers (and female equivalents, of course), but not so much you.
Hell, until two years ago, no team I'm a fan of that I know anyone else who is a fan of had ever won anything. I somehow became a diehard 49ers fan before I can remember, but I grew up in Dallas. I couldn't celebrate their Super Bowl wins with anyone. Being in Austin and back in school for the 05 championship made up for anything and everything else, though.
I first wanted the Cubs to field a team that we as Cubs fans knew would have a winning record before the season started. They have done that. Out of the last 8 seasons the Cubs have had 5 winning seasons and I would say in at least 2 more there was an expectation that they would have a winning season. So they have crossed that hurdle. The next stage was that I wanted the Cubs to be in the hunt for a playoff spot on a routine basis. I think the Cubs can cross that one off as well. The next stage is to be good enough to get to the World Series and then after that win it.
It is definitely disappointing that the Cubs can't seem to win a first round game and that the last two years appear to be a waste but I am also quite happy that the Cubs organization appears to have "gotten" it and it appears that they now know how to build a team. I now look forward to the next season and the next season after that. Sure the Cubs may not win it all but at least I have some degree of confidence that the Cubs will put together a good team and make a run at it. I'd rather be a fan of a team that falls short in the playoffs then a fan of a team that only wins 66 games.
It's not even the first time it's happened to Chicago. The 2000 White Sox won 95 games (4 more than any other AL team) and scored 978 runs (31 more than any other team) and were swept by the Seattle Mariners. So Piniella's been on both ends of these things I suppose.
I don't break the bank for Dempster, but I consider re-signing him. They need to shore up the back-end of their rotation, because there's no way Harden isn't on the DL at some point in 2009.
I like the pen's future. Howry is gone, thank goodness. I'm not sure what you can do with the position players. Soriano, for the good he's capable of bringing to the table, is just not a good fit for where I think this team is going offensively. But with that contract, there's no way they are able to dump him for a while. They need to go out and get a real lefty bat. I know they thought they did that with Fukudome, but it didn't work out.
It's tough to say where they need to improve. This was a great team, but the way the season ended, there's no way "fans" accept minimal changes. It'll be interesting.
I'd accept Howry departing and Dempster and Edmonds on low risk contracts. Lou isn't some manager that is going to play Edmonds if he isn't hitting so signing Edmonds to a one year contract contains little risk. If Dempster would take a 3 year 8-10 million dollar contract it would be okay, not great, just okay. I wouldn't mind him walking, I think there is still a lot unknown about his performance.
I really don't understand this "Soriano is not a good fit for the offense" belief. This isn't some offensive football scheme it is individual batters facing a pitcher one at a time. A double by Soriano is just as good as a double by Furcal. A homer by Soriano is just as good as a homer by Grady. Soriano is a .340 to .350 OBP guy with 30+ homers and 30+ doubles, any offense could use that. He didn't do well in the postseason but the guy isn't an albatross with the contract that needs to be unloaded, not yet anyway.
The Bears and Blackhawks to make the playoffs, and Northwestern to actually WIN a major bowl. I don't ask for much. :)
Dempster, like every other pitcher on the market, is probably going to make a LOT more money than he deserves this offseason. I think the decision on whether or not to make a huge run at him depends on a lot of factors:
1. How much does the baseball side of the organization have left to spend, with the impending sale?
2. Are there any "Jeff Suppan"-style free agents out there that we could acquire who would give us, say, 75% of Dempster's production at a more reasonable price? Making the assumption that Demp is going to experience SOME regression next season, which I think is likely.
3. How much does the organization believe in Rich Harden? Could he step up next year and be a relatively healthy #2 arm and pitch up to his awesome capabilities when he is in there? The more Lou, Larry, and Jim believe in Harden to be staff co-ace, the less likely they are to re-sign Demp.
4. How much does the organization believe in Sean Marshall, Angel Guzman, or Kevin Hart? Any of them could make the leap this offseason and become a dependable fifth starter next year.
I really don't think Demp's coming back. And I don't feel too terrible about that, as long as we have a good plan to replace him.
God, I hope not. This season had a very "Gaetti in '98" feel to it.
I think the coaching staff is going to work HARD on Fukudome's swing during the offseason. I wouldn't be shocked to see him and Johnson platooning CF next year, with a FA in right and Pie the odd man out (again).
Yes.
Daryle Ward's roster spot probably needs to be upgraded. I have serious doubts Lou wants Ronny Cedeno anywhere near his major-league field next year. I'd like to see Howry back, since I think he was just one of the losers in "Middle Reliever Roulette" this season, but they may find a replacement for him. There's a chance Theriot is not our starting SS by next April. And I think #1 on Lou and Jim's Christmas shopping list is a left-handed, power-hitting corner outfielder.
But, overall, I like the position we're in this offseason:
Soto
Lee
DeRosa
Theriot
Ramirez
Fontenot
Soriano (you may hate him, but he's going to be here forever, so you'd better deal.)
Zambrano
Harden
Lilly
Marquis
Wood
Marmol
Samardzija
Gaudin (healthy!)
Marshall
Guzman
Cotts
I like that base a lot.
I can't believe you're still saying this. So wait, you would've preferred the Phillies be playing the Dodgers right now? And though I shouldn't waste the time, let's look at the last week:
- They won two of four from the Mets
- One game they lost was against Johan Santana
- The other game they lost was by ONE run in the bottom of the ninth in weather where Lou or any other manager with nothing to play for would've been a damn fool to send out any player he valued
- They won one of the three games against the Brewers
- In the other two games, they had most of their regulars in there
In other words, put this "they didn't try to win" horse #### to bed. You're single-handily making me hate the Phillies. Act your age.
I think this whole can't play your division if they are the wild card is bunk.
tell your boss to go f*ck himself, burn all your bridges...because nothing else matters except the fate of your souls.
This Dobbs boy reminds me of some of the anonymous posters after the Aaron F. Boone HR in '03.
Souless, dickless is about right. He's not a happy person. There's something missing.
Its gonna happen. After you win your first game in April 2009, you'll be OK. Hell, after your
first significant hot stove move this off season, you'll be OK.
Hang in there guys and gals. You owners seem willing to have a real payroll--that's the key.
Oh, and baseball chick? I hate to have to lump you into post 65, but if the shoe fits, wear it. I expected better of you. It's not our fault your team wasn't good enough this year.
- i guarantee you i most DEFINITELY do not blame the cubs for the astros not reaching the postseason. not in the least.
we would not have reached the postseason if we HAD won those 2 games and if we by a miracle HAD reached the postseason we would not have got anywheres. you can't win playoffs with roy and randy wolf and wandy rodriguez as your "aces" and with brandon backe as your clenup hitter
the ENTIRE crap about the hurricane and scheduling is almost COMPLETELY the fault of drayton mclane
and that SOB ain't foolin me none i promise u that.
- however
the finger i am giving is to all the harris-clone cubs fans who invade our stadium and the harris-clone/fred c dobbs clones who booed our shell shocked team up at wrigley north. eff them BIG time. to put it mildly.
they booed. the pirates fans, all 20 of em, donated to help IKE victims.
AND another finger to the cubs players who acted like itsy bitsy limp dingdongs
as for you personally
- a big hug and a - i'm real sorry bro and i feel your pain cuz i been there a whole lot too
and besides
i like you
Well, let's see. There were 16 MLB teams from 1909-1960; the odds that any one team would win a WS in any given year was 1/16, and the odds they wouldn't win was 15/16, or 0.9375. Assuming a completely random distribution, the odds the Cubs would not have won a WS from 1908-60 would've been .034874, or about 27.67 to 1 against. With expansion to 18, 20, 24, 28 and finally 30 teams, the odds of not winning were increased, but by actually not winning, the odds against increased.
I figure the odds of the Cubs (or any team) not winning the World Series from 1909-2008 would've been .005017 -- or about 198 to 1 against, or worse than flipping a coin and getting seven heads in a row (127 to 1). You might say the Cubs "missed the beam" nearly 200 times.
Sigh.
I'll feel pretty silly being 85 years old and doing that.
I think I'm completely not comprehending this sentence.
Harris and Fred C. Dobbs are anti-Cub trolls who are intentionally trying to anger Cubs fans.
Out of curiosity...would you rather NO Cubs fans had shown up at the games in Milwaukee, and the games were played in front of less than a thousand curious Brewers fans, who, frankly, probably also would have been cheering for the Cubs and AGAINST the Astros, due to pragmatic wild-card reasons? Would you feel the same way about Cubs fans if the games had been regularly scheduled at Wrigley right after the hurricane? Would we have had the right to boo the Astros in our home park?
I'm sure that fans of NFL teams who played against the New Orleans Saints at home in '05 sometimes booed them as well. Were they heartless and evil?
I find it difficult to believe that if a freak tornado had ripped through downtown Chicago in September, right before a series in Houston between the first-place Cubs and second-place Astros, who were 1 game back, that Astros fans would have sat on their hands and not cheered for their team or booed the Cubs.
Come again? They aren't even the best team in their division.
dear save us,
i got ZERO problem with any fan cheering for his/her team nmo matter what no matter where. i got ZERO problems with any fans of any other team who come to the Box to cheer their team because (so far) they got good manners. now i can't speak about this years games with yeccchs/redsux because i wasn't there at the stadium for those so i don't know my own self how they acted. i will say that at the ASG they were obnoxious the few there was there.
what i was saying is that the cubs fans who i have seen at our stadium act like fred c doobs and harris do here. which is that they are RUDE and obnoxious
- as for the 2 post hurricane games - well, they SHOULD have been in arlington instead of at wrigley north because they were supposed to be HOME games. (i blame mclane AND bud selig 100% for holding the games in milwaukee instead of arlington and i do NOT blame cubs/cubs fans for that because it was not their decision)it isn't that 20 thousand cubs fans were cheering FOR their team, it is that they were BOOING the astros.
which to put it mildly is REALLY bad manners.
and i would not have cared if it was cubs fans rooting for the cubs or brewers fans rooting for the cubs. or if nobody show up.
booing a TEAM who just had a catastrophic weather event and had to come to another city and play baseball with 2 days of no sleep and leaving family behind - well, i wouldn't even do that to cubs/yecchs/redsux.
it is no class
and i seriously doubt that if chicago had had the great fire or something and the white sox had to play the rangers in the Box that astros fans would have booed the TEAM even thought they had beat us in the WS. (scott podsednik if he was still playing maybe).
as for NEXT year, well, after the way they acted for those 2 games Up There, the cubs (especially zambrano and ramirez) probably gonna get booed the first series. which they deserve for the way they acted. but i haven't never heard astros fans boo a TEAM. and especially not after something like a city catastrophy. and like i said you didn't see the 50 marlins fans who showed up doing that. or the pirates fans.
i hear tell that after the hurricane that the NOLA team got SO from their opposition before the games.
that said, cub fans should feel pretty good about next year. i seem to remember my beloved cards doing well in '04 and '05 only to run into a couple of buzz saws before they won it all in '06. the cubs have a killer core that they shouldn't be messing with too much. they gotta keep winning to get to the playoff dance, this is a team that can do it. and if that keeps happening they will definitely make it to the WS sometime.
my rooting interest runs against that, but my brain tells me not to get too invested in eternal cub futility.
Ditto.
The Cubs aren't the Yankees. Unfortunately, Cub fans took themselves to near Red Sox fan levels in declaring their awesomeness this season (whether you think so or not).
People want fans of teams that declare their awesomeness and how it's their year to just lose and go away. You have the first part, now do the second.
Heh. Whoever it/they/he/she might be at the start of next season. But point taken. And there's nothing else we can do, of course.
Go take a long walk off a short plank. I wasn't even talking to you, but if you want to include yourself in the list, knock yourself out.
I don't know who what Cub fans you're talking about, but it doesn't matter. Hell, the Cubs *were* pretty damned awesome this year. I realize it's hard for you to deal with that, but there it is.
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