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Saturday, August 31, 2013

Dodgers acquire Michael Young from Phillies

Delmon Young and now Michael Young…I haven’t seen this many Young loses since Anthony.

In an effort to strengthen their roster for the stretch run and postseason, the Dodgers have acquired infielder Michael Young from the Phillies according to Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports. It’s unclear what Philadelphia will receive in return.

Young, 36, came into Saturday hitting .272/.333/.389 (99 OPS+) with eight home runs in 125 games. He played third base almost exclusively for the Phillies, but he can fill in at first regularly and handle second in a real pinch. Defense has never been his strong suit, however.

The Dodgers have been getting perfectly fine production from Juan Uribe at third base. He came into Saturday hitting .268/.326/.395 (103 OPS+) with seven homers this year, but unlike Young, the various defensive metrics rate him as a strong defender. It’ll be interesting to see how Los Angeles uses their latest pickup.

Repoz Posted: August 31, 2013 at 11:22 PM | 25 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Gamingboy Posted: August 31, 2013 at 11:26 PM (#4532195)
They now have the intangibles! Nothing can stop them now!
   2. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: August 31, 2013 at 11:39 PM (#4532198)
Who knows, maybe he'll be the next Marlon Andersen/Ronnie Belliard; I just hope he's better than Jim Thome.
   3. GuyMcGuffin Posted: August 31, 2013 at 11:53 PM (#4532207)
Veteran presents.
   4. boteman is not here 'til October Posted: September 01, 2013 at 12:20 AM (#4532223)
Dodgers get M. Young and cash consideration. Phillies get Rob Rasmussen who was promoted to AAA, stunk it up there, and demoted back to AA.
   5. akrasian Posted: September 01, 2013 at 12:36 AM (#4532228)
Rasmussen's 4th organization in 4 years as a pro. OTOH, after being sent to the Southern League he was actually quite good. He's a little lefthander, so I'd guess he's a junkballing nibbler. The Dodgers probably didn't want to add him to the 40 man roster this offseason, but he's promising enough and a lefty so he could be taken in the rule 5 draft.

I'm not sure what the Dodgers will do with Young, but there are worse bench players to add for the playoffs.
   6. alkeiper Posted: September 01, 2013 at 03:59 AM (#4532249)
The Phillies oddly have a surplus of lefty bullpen arms. Antonio Bastardo, Jeremy Horst, Jake Diekman, Raul Valdes, Cesar Jimenez, Mauricio Robles, Joe Savery. At one point they might have carried four lefties on the big league pen. But Rasmussen is not Michael Young, so he's a nice addition no matter what his stuff is.
   7. Bruce Markusen Posted: September 01, 2013 at 09:59 AM (#4532287)
Will he be the next Dennis Rasmussen, Harry Rasmussen, or Eric Rasmussen?
   8. Adam B. Posted: September 01, 2013 at 10:08 AM (#4532294)
I guess we'll have to hire Rasmussen Reports to conduct a poll.
   9. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: September 01, 2013 at 10:35 AM (#4532320)
I can't believe Michael Young can handle 2B, since he doesn't have the range for 3B at this point. He was dreadful to the eyes.
   10. asinwreck Posted: September 01, 2013 at 10:47 AM (#4532328)
Paging Nate Silver to the thread.
   11. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: September 01, 2013 at 01:41 PM (#4532436)
<blockqtuoe>Defense has never been his strong suit, however.</blockquote>

I've heart that Mt Everest is pretty tall.
   12. boteman is not here 'til October Posted: September 01, 2013 at 02:14 PM (#4532460)
Dear Lord, I hope Voxter doesn't write code for a living!
   13. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: September 01, 2013 at 02:32 PM (#4532470)
That's what I get for typing with one hand while sitting in the bathtub.
   14. Srul Itza At Home Posted: September 01, 2013 at 02:39 PM (#4532475)
with one hand while sitting in the bathtub.


TMI
   15. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: September 01, 2013 at 02:40 PM (#4532477)
He'll probably be a bat off the bench. Currently, LA's reserves are Fed, J. Hairston, Jr., Schumaker and Punto. It would be nice to have some power there, but I can see the merits in the latter three's defensive flexibility.
   16. Srul Itza At Home Posted: September 01, 2013 at 02:47 PM (#4532481)
The rosters are expanding, so they can carry him on the bench. This is for the post season, when they cut down the pitching staff and increase the bench.
   17. Tom Nawrocki Posted: September 01, 2013 at 02:57 PM (#4532486)
The Cub announcers just speculated that Young might be a DH option in the World Series, but the Dodgers should have all of Puig, Ethier, Crawford and Kemp available by then, and they won't all fit in the outfield.
   18. Gamingboy Posted: September 01, 2013 at 03:07 PM (#4532493)
Clearly, Tom N., they have brought in Young to teach Puig how to play THE RIGHT WAY (C).
   19. boteman is not here 'til October Posted: September 01, 2013 at 03:09 PM (#4532495)
...and they won't all fit in the outfield.

Maybe they can paint up M. Young like Dakota Bacus who hides in plain view against the outfield wall. Then, he can spring into action to turn those deep extra base hits into outs.
   20. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: September 01, 2013 at 03:10 PM (#4532496)
It's not certain Kemp will be on the postseason roster. Reports say he's not feeling too awesome in his rehab games. I'll look for a link.
   21. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: September 01, 2013 at 03:11 PM (#4532497)
Here's the story:
"His timing doesn't sound very good," Dodgers manager Don Mattingly said. "He's not comfortable with the way he's feeling at the plate."
   22. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: September 01, 2013 at 04:20 PM (#4532545)
I think Kemp is expected to return in the next couple weeks. But yeah, he'll probably hurt himself again anyway.
   23. BDC Posted: September 01, 2013 at 08:45 PM (#4532634)
Don't think I've done this in a couple of years: comps for Young, infielders centered on him in terms of PAs and OPS+:

Player            Rfield WAR/pos   PA OPS+  SB         Pos
Tim Wallach           66    38.4 8908  102  51 
*5/3H9D7164
Tony Fernandez        31    45.1 8793  101 246     
*654H/D
Chris Chambliss       31    27.4 8313  109  40       
*3H/D
Stuffy McInnis        31    34.3 8638  105 172    
*3/65H47
Buddy Myer            
-1    47.0 8190  108 157    *465H/79
Joe Sewell            
-4    53.7 8333  108  74      *65/H4
Jay Bell             
-12    36.7 8525  101  91    *64/H53D
Pie Traynor          
-32    36.3 8297  107 158      *5/6H3
Todd Zeile           
-71    19.2 8649  104  53   *532/HD71
Ray Durham          
-102    33.7 8423  104 273      *4H/D8
Michael Young       
-151    24.4 8559  104  90     654D3/


The positions vary so much that one needs to readjust the list provisionally to make sense of it; several of the comps, like Young, made their way around the infield in an itinerant way. Buddy Myer seems very close to me, and Todd Zeile is an interesting analogue.

WTH Pie Traynor is doing at -32 RField is anybody's guess. That does not match his reputation. But he, like Young, was an infielder whose offensive value was largely in his batting average. Similarly, I don't remember Chris Chambliss as being that good, even as a first baseman. If Young had played 1B his whole career, would he have had better defensive numbers than Chambliss? He's not far inferior to Chambliss as a hitter.
   24. steagles Posted: September 01, 2013 at 10:34 PM (#4532672)
If Young had played 1B his whole career, would he have had better defensive numbers than Chambliss? He's not far inferior to Chambliss as a hitter.
if you look at dWAR, which adjusts for position, in addition to measuring proficiency, chambliss sits at -8 dWAR, whereas michael young is at -11, so even if he was chambliss's equal as a defender, i don't think there's likely to be much difference in their respective value.

this is actually one of things i really like about WAR, the way it's broken down on b-ref. people tend to think about the positional spectrum as a generality, but as an example, if you look at miguel cabrera moving from 1B to 3B last season, his value as a fielder didn't change, but because of the difference in positional adjustment, he gained an extra win, but more importantly, the tigers were able to fit prince fielder into the lineup at 1B instead of having to use brandon inge or ramon santiago at 3B.


to me, that is just absolutely beautiful.
   25. Greg K Posted: September 02, 2013 at 02:50 AM (#4532734)
to me, that is just absolutely beautiful.

Same thing with Edwin Encarnacion. With the Reds he was a terrible 3B and put up full-season dWARs around -1.0 to -1.5.

In Toronto now that he's slid over to a full-time 1B/DH he's posting fairly similar dWAR numbers.

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