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Sunday, July 27, 2014

Dodgers and Diamondbacks Triple-A teams involved in wild brawl

Arruebarrena, whom the Dodgers signed to a five-year, $25 million contract during spring training after he defected from Cuba, didn’t take kindly to be being brushed back by Bolsinger and allowed the anger to stew a bit.

The purpose pitch likely stemmed from Arruebarrena’s home run on Friday, in which he took nearly 35 seconds to round the bases.

Nearly 35 seconds!  And nobody blocked home plate!  Who’s running enforcement at the AAA level?

Mike Jacobs sighting.

Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: July 27, 2014 at 01:49 PM | 25 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: aaa, brawl, unwritten rules

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   1. Howie Menckel Posted: July 27, 2014 at 05:08 PM (#4758564)

I hope Alex Guerrero hid in his dugout - wait, that's the scene of the crime, isn't it?
   2. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: July 27, 2014 at 05:49 PM (#4758601)
At least nobody lost an ear this time.
   3. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 27, 2014 at 06:19 PM (#4758639)
The announcer is openly mocking Arruebarrena for his slowness live. And, his team was already up 8-0, so it's not like Arruebarrena did anything particularly meaningful.

Bottom line, he deserved to get plunked.
   4. filihok Posted: July 27, 2014 at 07:15 PM (#4758694)
I hope Alex Guerrero hid in his dugout - wait, that's the scene of the crime, isn't it?

In the video one can clearly see Guerrero restraining Arruebarrena.
   5. Boxkutter Posted: July 27, 2014 at 07:15 PM (#4758695)
Who’s running enforcement at the AAA level?

Miguel Olivo used to.
   6. Rough Carrigan Posted: July 27, 2014 at 10:02 PM (#4758776)
Izzy Alcantara used to lay down the law to catchers and pitchers alike in the minors.
   7. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: July 27, 2014 at 10:29 PM (#4758785)
The announcer is openly mocking Arruebarrena for his slowness live.

It's funny that the only thing in baseball where brevity is insisted on is the home run trot. Every other aspect of the game...get to it when you get to it.
   8. depletion Posted: July 27, 2014 at 10:43 PM (#4758790)
That's a mindlessly slow home run trot. Death on crutches. I can't believe no one told the guy he was going to be thrown at in the next game. There wasn't any doubt, was there?
   9. valuearbitrageur Posted: July 28, 2014 at 03:10 AM (#4758834)

Bottom line, he deserved to get plunked.


That cliche is right up there with that ##### deserved to get raped.

If a slow home fun trot in a Fing game deserves physical assault why can't a short skirt invite sexual assault?
   10. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: July 28, 2014 at 03:49 AM (#4758838)
That cliche is right up there with that ##### deserved to get raped.

If a slow home fun trot in a Fing game deserves physical assault why can't a short skirt invite sexual assault?


Sure, those things are totally the same. If a short skirt invites a sexual assault, why can't a Jew or Palestinian civilian deserve a missile from the other side? Why can't a borderline racial slur invite an self-righteous blog post? Let's really get inflammatory!
   11. Bhaakon Posted: July 28, 2014 at 05:32 AM (#4758840)

That cliche is right up there with that ##### deserved to get raped.

If a slow home fun trot in a Fing game deserves physical assault why can't a short skirt invite sexual assault?


I don't see the parallel with a short skirt. A short skirt isn't an aggressive act or open invitation to non-insane people. A short skirt has no widely accepted cultural subtext of "no means yes."

I personally find many of baseball's unwritten rules to be silly, but the ridiculousness of them doesn't make their blatant violation any less of a purposeful insult to the other team. In the context of the baseball culture, what Arruebarrena did was the equivalent of me dropping trou and taking a big steaming dump on my neighbor's lawn in front of him. An unambiguous, intentional act of contempt which I'd be insane not to expect retaliation for. In short, Arruebarrena was literally asking for it in the language of baseball.
   12. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: July 28, 2014 at 05:43 AM (#4758842)
Or we could just stop living by the arbitrary unwritten rules and play ball. It's stupid to throw at guy for a slow homerun trot. It just is. If he's shouting taunts at you, fine, other than that it's on you to get over yourself. Other sports seem to have figured this out. Baseball players come off as whiny little girls. A few well placed fines and all this nonsense could go away.
   13. Shooty is obsessed with the latest hoodie Posted: July 28, 2014 at 07:06 AM (#4758852)
I guess Kirk Gibson has let the kids on the farm know what it takes to get called up?
   14. Roger McDowell spit on me! Posted: July 28, 2014 at 09:35 AM (#4758882)
And Andy Marte still can't hit anything.
   15. Nasty Nate Posted: July 28, 2014 at 09:36 AM (#4758885)
Or we could just stop living by the arbitrary unwritten rules and play ball.


We? Are we the congress of pro ballplayers called together to reform unwritten rules? It's going to be hard to write resolutions with all the pearl-clutching.
   16. Jeltzandini Posted: July 28, 2014 at 09:51 AM (#4758895)
It's always sort of surprising how strong the team impulse is. These guys don't want to be Albuquerque Isotopes or Reno Aces. The teams don't even have winning as a major goal. But there we are--the guy wearing my color shirt is mad at the guy with the other color shirt, so let's all fight.
   17. PreservedFish Posted: July 28, 2014 at 10:08 AM (#4758905)
If the 35 seconds mark is accurate (there was certainly enough time for the announcer to make several jokes about his trot) then that would have been slower than any MLB homerun trot in the last five years. I think this is just as bad as, or worse than, "shouting taunts."

Basically this an issue of politeness or decorum, and nobody will ever be able to change the fact that baseball (and every other culture) has a code of conduct that some participants will break. I think the only stupid thing here is that it's commonplace to police issues of decorum with 90+ mph fastballs.
   18. Ulysses S. Fairsmith Posted: July 28, 2014 at 11:30 AM (#4758980)
Running slowly may violate an unwritten rule, but intentionally pitching at a batter violates an actual WRITTEN rule--specifically, rule 8.02(d). How is that better?
   19. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: July 28, 2014 at 11:51 AM (#4759003)
If the 35 seconds mark is accurate (there was certainly enough time for the announcer to make several jokes about his trot) then that would have been slower than any MLB homerun trot in the last five years. I think this is just as bad as, or worse than, "shouting taunts.

The little bit of his trot that you see in the video at the linked page is ridiculous. In his trot he runs like he's a veteran starting pitcher ambling towards first after grounding out in a game his team is leading 7-1. The last time I saw a position player moving at that pace was Rondell White coming off the field after he'd pulled a hamstring.

I'm not at all a fan of intentionally hitting batters, but I am a big fan of a manager benching a player after giving him the "don't be a ####### #######" speech.
   20. Ron J2 Posted: July 28, 2014 at 12:06 PM (#4759020)
#10 I truly believe that anybody who says that a person deserves to be plunked for a slow home run trot is sick in the head (and have been saying so for decades)

Given the culture of the game, yeah this was expected.
   21. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: July 28, 2014 at 12:11 PM (#4759027)
#10 I truly believe that anybody who says that a person deserves to be plunked for a slow home run trot is sick in the head (and have been saying so for decades)

Given the culture of the game, yeah this was expected.


Exactly. In a sane world, nothing happens to this ####### but rolled eyes and a general lack of respect. But in the world we live in, he has to know that a plunking is a realistic possibility.

   22. PreservedFish Posted: July 28, 2014 at 12:11 PM (#4759028)
I'm not at all a fan of intentionally hitting batters, but I am a big fan of a manager benching a player after giving him the "don't be a ####### #######" speech.


Right, it's a real baseball culture offense, it should just be policed differently.
   23. Ron J2 Posted: July 28, 2014 at 12:23 PM (#4759035)
#21 Probability of his being plunked was somewhere around 100%. Maybe a little higher.
   24. alilisd Posted: July 28, 2014 at 06:08 PM (#4759315)
It's always sort of surprising how strong the team impulse is.


Really? We're tribal, clannish, pack animals, and have been forever. A team is just another tribe/clan/pack.
   25. Bhaakon Posted: July 28, 2014 at 07:47 PM (#4759379)
#10 I truly believe that anybody who says that a person deserves to be plunked for a slow home run trot is sick in the head (and have been saying so for decades)



Part of the problem is that a normal work environment (a healthy one, at least) has some sort of administrative process to deal with co-workers who act like a**holes, and if it goes far enough, you can find work somewhere else (economy permitting). Baseball doesn't have that, especially when it crosses team lines. No one is going to fine a player for for being a jerkoff, and no other baseball league is going to match MLB's salaries (except, maybe, in Japan, but that's a problematic move for other reasons).

There's only so much disrespect people can put up with before they snap. Only those ignorant of human nature would expect players to do anything other than take matters into their own hands in that situation, and throwing at/spiking/starting a fight with the offending party is pretty much their only means of punishing them.

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