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Dodgers’ Dave Roberts keeps Yasiel Puig on bench after baserunning blunder - LA Times

After a season filled with positive press, a crack in the narrative is exposed.

“When I put a player in the lineup, every situation, every pitch, every out is important,” he said. “It’s important that I guys I write in the lineup, I can trust them. So that’s all I’m going to say about it.”

Puig took off for second base with two outs in the ninth inning but was thrown out when he didn’t slide, saying he felt something in his left ankle as he neared the base. Roberts said Puig was not treated by the trainers for any injury.

The manager said it wasn’t the first issue he has had with Puig.

“There’s been some things that I kept notes of,” Roberts said.

Roberts said before Sunday’s game that he hadn’t spoken to Puig about the mistake before indicating that his actions delivered the message he wanted to send.

“He’s not in the lineup. So whatever message he gets from it, I’m putting the guys out that I feel gives us the best chance to win today,” the manager said.

Jim Furtado Posted: September 25, 2017 at 06:17 AM | 14 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: September 25, 2017 at 12:37 PM (#5538304)
Puig has for the most part been a model citizen this year. And while he's still well below his production of 2013-14, he's been a lot better than his 2015-16 form and showing off gold glove level defense for the first time. This is probably just a one game thing. He'll be fine.
   2. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 25, 2017 at 12:41 PM (#5538312)
Roberts said before Sunday’s game that he hadn’t spoken to Puig about the mistake before indicating that his actions delivered the message he wanted to send.

“He’s not in the lineup. So whatever message he gets from it, I’m putting the guys out that I feel gives us the best chance to win today,” the manager said.

I'm sure Roberts has had it up to here with Puig over the last few years, but this kind of passive-aggressive approach doesn't seem like it would be helpful. Or particularly mature from the guy who's supposed to be in charge and thus the proverbial "bigger man."
   3. Heart of Matt Harvey Posted: September 25, 2017 at 12:43 PM (#5538315)
He's crazy good in the field, a bonehead otherwise.

Wild Horse, gotta take the bad with the good.
   4. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 25, 2017 at 01:26 PM (#5538389)
Wild Horse, gotta take the bad with the good.

The Dodgers really don't. Puig's an average player now; he's easily replaced.
   5. Heart of Matt Harvey Posted: September 25, 2017 at 01:54 PM (#5538441)
By what 3.4 WAR right fielder?
   6. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 25, 2017 at 01:59 PM (#5538452)
By what 3.4 WAR right fielder?

Fangraphs has him at 2.4. Always take gaudy (and awful) fielding numbers with a huge helping of salt.
   7. Heart of Matt Harvey Posted: September 25, 2017 at 03:15 PM (#5538560)
Okay, 2.4. He's also 113 OPS+. Answer the question. Who's the replacement?

Might as well add "never seen him play."
   8. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 25, 2017 at 03:37 PM (#5538585)
Okay, 2.4. He's also 113 OPS+. Answer the question. Who's the replacement?


Whoever the Dodgers want it to be. They spend at will.

My choice would be Lorenzo Cain. Stick him in CF and use your other guys in the corner.
   9. Heart of Matt Harvey Posted: September 25, 2017 at 04:59 PM (#5538676)

Whoever the Dodgers want it to be. They spend at will.

They don't, actually. Besides their own gree agents this past offseason, Friedman and Co. haven't spent significantly.

I like Cain, but he's 4 1/2 years older than Puig amd will never be better.

The rigbt trade comes along, I wouldn't be opposed to Puig going elsewhere.
   10. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 25, 2017 at 05:20 PM (#5538684)
They don't, actually. Besides their own gree agents this past offseason, Friedman and Co. haven't spent significantly.

Then how did they get up to a $270M payroll at one point?

They've signed every injured pitcher out there to big contracts, and took Gonzalez, and Crawford, and Beckett in a salary dump. They've spent like drunken sailors.
   11. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: September 25, 2017 at 06:01 PM (#5538704)
They've spent like drunken sailors.


They did early on, which is why they haven't been able to the last couple of years. Fortunately, the Ethier and Crawford contracts finally expire this offseason (and the Gonzalez, Kazmir and McCarthy contracts the year after, though Kershaw can also opt out that year and will be looking for a raise). There are a lot of questions related to filling the outfield next year such as:
-Is Chirs Taylor for real?
-Does Gonzalez have anything left in the tank? (if he bounces back, that could make Bellinger an outfielder for a year)
-What is up with Joc Pederson?
-Is Andrew Toles for real?
-Is Verdugo ready for the majors?
Honestly, penciling Puig for right field next year seems like the easiest decision of them all related to the outfield. My guess is that they'll stand pat with respect to the outfield. Joc Pederson was really good in 2016 and was a top prospect back in the day. Toles has been a very good player in the limited time he's shown. Verdugo had more BB than K in AAA at age 21. Gonzalez is a formerly great player who has been injury plagued this year; don't forget that guys like Giambi and Thome have bounced back at around his age (granted they had higher established levels of play). Chirs Taylor just had a breakout season. Idk who will be in the outfield next year but they have enough potentially good options that I doubt they give anyone big money. They can save that for Harper the following year.
   12. Bote Man Posted: September 25, 2017 at 07:17 PM (#5538757)
THIS JUST IN:

Andy McCullough @McCulloughTimes
Yasiel Puig was late to the field today, Dave Roberts said.
   13. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: September 25, 2017 at 08:02 PM (#5538785)
don't forget that guys like Giambi and Thome have bounced back at around his age


I know you put the qualifier on the end of this sentence, but Gonzalez was never really in the neighborhood of these guys. Giambi, without the steroid taint, would get some consideration for the hall. A really good 7 year peak and just amazing strike zone recognition puts him in a category above A-gon. Thome is a first ballot HOFer with prodigious power that was consistent for years. Also a guy who really managed the strike zone amazingly well. Now A-gon was definitely the better fielder then these 2 and who knows about the baserunning as they are/were pretty damn slow for professional athletes, but you were referring to the bat and I think A-gon is done.

As for Puig, I agree with you. His fielding is great and I think you just have to live with the occasional gaffe. I see no reason he cannot put up 115 OPS+ year after year. His K rate is down slightly and the BB rate is up. I'm inclined to think at 26 he is learning to manage the zone a bit better. I'd need to see one of fangraphs charts of swings/misses, in/out zone charts to really know more(too lazy to look it up). I like players like Puig though. They can be irritating but at times they can do the most fantastic things on a diamond, it's like a Bo Jackson thing.
   14. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 25, 2017 at 08:07 PM (#5538788)
They did early on, which is why they haven't been able to the last couple of years. Fortunately, the Ethier and Crawford contracts finally expire this offseason (and the Gonzalez, Kazmir and McCarthy contracts the year after, though Kershaw can also opt out that year and will be looking for a raise). There are a lot of questions related to filling the outfield next year such as:
-Is Chirs Taylor for real?
-Does Gonzalez have anything left in the tank? (if he bounces back, that could make Bellinger an outfielder for a year)
-What is up with Joc Pederson?
-Is Andrew Toles for real?
-Is Verdugo ready for the majors?
Honestly, penciling Puig for right field next year seems like the easiest decision of them all related to the outfield. My guess is that they'll stand pat with respect to the outfield. Joc Pederson was really good in 2016 and was a top prospect back in the day. Toles has been a very good player in the limited time he's shown. Verdugo had more BB than K in AAA at age 21. Gonzalez is a formerly great player who has been injury plagued this year; don't forget that guys like Giambi and Thome have bounced back at around his age (granted they had higher established levels of play). Chirs Taylor just had a breakout season. Idk who will be in the outfield next year but they have enough potentially good options that I doubt they give anyone big money. They can save that for Harper the following year.


I don't disagree, but if the Dodgers are fed up with Puig, they can easily get rid of him and replace him.

If a 5-6 WAR players is a jerk, you have to put up with it. With a 2-3 WAR players, the team can move on if they want to.

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