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Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Don Cherry: Tim McCarver ‘Has Lost His Feel For Baseball’

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When I think of people that would be in line to criticize MLB on Fox analyst Tim McCarver, plenty of individuals immediately come to mind (including the entire staff of this site). But one name I never would have pinned was legendary CBC hockey commentator Don Cherry.

Cherry took issue with McCarver on his Twitter page (yes, Don Cherry tweets too!) because he jinxed Ryan Vogelsong’s no-hitter on Sunday night in Game 6 of the NLCS.

...This is crazy. Cherry’s main issue with McCarver isn’t his rambling style, random sayings, and loss of touch with the game of baseball, but him jinxing a no hitter in progress? Saying McCarver “sold his soul” to some unknown power of darkness? It’s true, maybe Cherry just felt bored with no NHL topics to rant about.

The concept of an announcer jinxing a no hitter and having some concrete role in the outcome of a baseball game is a backwards superstition. Come to think of it, given Cherry’s old school mentality maybe it makes sense why he would take issue with it. But, McCarver did the right thing in actually telling viewers what was actually happening.

Repoz Posted: October 24, 2012 at 09:38 AM | 30 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. asinwreck Posted: October 24, 2012 at 10:03 AM (#4281371)
Also, McCarver's wardrobe is too stale.
   2. Rants Mulliniks Posted: October 24, 2012 at 10:13 AM (#4281382)
I've been ambivalent about the hcokey strike up until now, but since Cherry's need to be a blowhard must be satiated regardless.....please start playing hockey again!!!!
   3. Flynn Posted: October 24, 2012 at 10:15 AM (#4281385)
When DON FREAKIN' CHERRY thinks you're past your sell-by date...

I noticed watching Game 7 that McCarver isn't too bad when it comes to analyzing a certain situation, such as where to put the fielders or what to throw in a certain count, but he's almost totally checked out from knowing the players. I'd be shocked if he watches more than a handful of games a year that he's not working at.
   4. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: October 24, 2012 at 10:45 AM (#4281412)
I would have guessed Don Cherry was dead.

That's as close to defending Tim McCarver as I will ever get.
   5. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: October 24, 2012 at 10:51 AM (#4281416)
I read the headline as a quote from Tim McCarver and got excited that he was about to retire.
   6. SoSH U at work Posted: October 24, 2012 at 10:54 AM (#4281418)
I read the headline as a quote from Tim McCarver and got excited that he was about to retire.


I saw "Tim McCarver", "lost his" and "cherry" in the same sentence, and I was decidedly not excited.

Shudder.
   7. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: October 24, 2012 at 10:55 AM (#4281420)
Totally thought this could be trumpeter Don Cherry - from the Ornette Coleman groups of the 60's.

That would be a cool conversation.
   8. Heinie Mantush (Krusty) Posted: October 24, 2012 at 11:01 AM (#4281427)
The NHL thread has closed commenting, so I'll drop it here: The Islanders are moving to Brooklyn.

   9. Mayor Blomberg Posted: October 24, 2012 at 11:14 AM (#4281440)
works out well; they're still on Long Island, and there's an LIRR stop down the block.
   10. winnipegwhip Posted: October 24, 2012 at 11:27 AM (#4281451)
Any word on whether the Isles be still keeping the name?
   11. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: October 24, 2012 at 11:29 AM (#4281454)
Anyone care to handicap the chances of another full-season lockout? From following a few folks on twitter, it doesn't look like the sides are particularly close, although going off of what I remember from NBA's short stoppage last year, things can seemingly change rather quickly. I think part of me would like to see a doomsday scenario of sorts where the players really dig in, the various Euro leagues and the KHL prove to be somewhat capable Plan Bs to NHLers, and a new, smaller NHL with fewer salary restrictions emerges (or, even more radically, a larger one with a promotion/relegation system)*.

* More than a bit pie-in-the-sky, I know.
   12. SoSH U at work Posted: October 24, 2012 at 11:30 AM (#4281455)
Any word on whether the Isles be still keeping the name?


According to FA, and by league directive, they will.
   13. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 24, 2012 at 11:39 AM (#4281466)
Anyone care to handicap the chances of another full-season lockout?


I think it's likely enough to be troubling. That the NHL has allowed it to get to this point is the height of incompetence. Contrast this with MLB and 1994, the loss of the World Series was catastrophic but we're heading toward 25 years of labor peace. The NHL by contrast couldn't even get to the first renewal post-2005 without going to the mats again.

I still think the league is doing well enough that in the end they'll reach an agreement and play starting on January 1. That in itself is a failure in my view though. They've got a good TV deal with NBC, an exciting league where some rule changes have shaken things up and a pretty passionate fan base. Despite that passion I think the fan base is going to be hard pressed to stay committed with another lost season.

Part of the problem that the NHL and NBA have in these matters is the lack of a fixed schedule. With MLB I know every night (just about) I'm going to have a game to watch. If I'm an NFL fan I know that Sunday is my day. With the NHL and NBA they have no such appointment viewing. It becomes a bit less obvious what you're missing when the schedule is more haphazard. I'm not saying they should change the schedule or anything, just noting one of the issues with keeping fans engaged after a strike.
   14. asinwreck Posted: October 24, 2012 at 12:30 PM (#4281507)
Gary Bettman's in charge. It's entirely possible the lockout may extend beyond one season.
   15. GregD Posted: October 24, 2012 at 12:36 PM (#4281514)
Interesting on Islanders; I was thinking the Devils would make the move first.
   16. Tim Wallach was my Hero Posted: October 24, 2012 at 12:39 PM (#4281519)
Interesting on Islanders; I was thinking the Devils would make the move first.

Except the devils just got this five seasons ago.
   17. GregD Posted: October 24, 2012 at 12:41 PM (#4281521)
Yes! Forgot that!
   18. zack Posted: October 24, 2012 at 01:36 PM (#4281595)
It was so obvious a move I'm surprised it happened. With the LIRR stop right at Atlantic Yards you can keep a lot of the old fanbase while moving into New York proper. And anything sports with the word Brooklyn in it's name will be big. But don't worry, they ###### it up already when they cut back from the original design and the existing Barclays center seats only 14,500 for hockey (even smaller than Winnipeg's literal AHL arena) and with horrible sight lines to boot.

Also the move isn't till 2015.
   19. RMc's desperate, often sordid world Posted: October 24, 2012 at 03:09 PM (#4281709)
I still think the league is doing well enough that in the end they'll reach an agreement and play starting on January 1.

After the NBA's season opening was delayed until Christmas last year, I thought: maybe the NBA should always start their season on December 25, and play only a 60-game schedule. I mean, does anyone except hard-core basketball fans really pay attention to the NBA before then?

And maybe, just maybe, the NHL should do the same thing: start on New Year's Day, play a 60-game season. (I'd hate it, because I love hockey, but...)
   20. Best Regards, President of Comfort Posted: October 24, 2012 at 03:13 PM (#4281719)
When DON FREAKIN' CHERRY thinks you're past your sell-by date...
That's like rLr saying you need a haircut.
Bernal saying you need to be a little less agressive.
Dial saying he's worried about how much you drink.
Nieporent saying that you're a little too anti-government.
   21. Eric P. Posted: October 24, 2012 at 03:43 PM (#4281773)
I hadn't seen any pictures of the Barclays Center until reading about the Islanders' move today. Boy, that is one ugly building.
   22. zack Posted: October 24, 2012 at 05:04 PM (#4281888)
And maybe, just maybe, the NHL should do the same thing: start on New Year's Day, play a 60-game season. (I'd hate it, because I love hockey, but...)


I wouldn't complain if they shortened the season a bit, but if they do it should be off the end not the start. Stanley Cup in June is ridiculous.
   23. Copronymus Posted: October 24, 2012 at 05:09 PM (#4281897)

I still think the league is doing well enough that in the end they'll reach an agreement and play starting on January 1.


If you look past the rhetoric a little, they're actually pretty close on the numbers already. At this point they're within $500 million of each other, which over a 6 year deal works out to a couple million per team per year. Obviously as the NFL referees' lockout shows, a few million a year per team is still enough to make these things drag out much longer than is healthy for the sport, but I really do think they'll figure this out in time to save at least part of the season.
   24. Ron J2 Posted: October 24, 2012 at 06:03 PM (#4281956)
The NHL by contrast couldn't even get to the first renewal post-2005 without going to the mats again.


What's truly odd about this is that they broke the union, wrote the contract they said they needed and are now headed back to all out war.
   25. Jorge Luis Bourjos (Walewander) Posted: October 24, 2012 at 06:06 PM (#4281959)
And anything sports with the word Brooklyn in it's name will be big.

They're keeping the current "New York Islanders" moniker.
   26. Monty Predicts a Padres-Mariners WS in 2016 Posted: October 24, 2012 at 09:02 PM (#4282143)
The concept of an announcer jinxing a no hitter and having some concrete role in the outcome of a baseball game is a backwards superstition.


And even if it weren't superstition...

"We don't work for the pitcher." -Dana Whitaker
   27. depletion Posted: October 24, 2012 at 09:13 PM (#4282171)
Donnie Baseball: Tim McCarver 'Has Lost His Feel For Cherry'
   28. Textbook Editor Posted: October 24, 2012 at 09:45 PM (#4282271)
I thought Atlantic Yards was too small for a hockey rink... How are they solving that?
   29. JE (Jason Epstein) Posted: October 24, 2012 at 11:23 PM (#4282632)
It was so obvious a move I'm surprised it happened. With the LIRR stop right at Atlantic Yards you can keep a lot of the old fanbase while moving into New York proper.

Except that the upcoming renovations to the Jamaica transfer station due to the East Side Access project will force anyone coming in from the Island to switch trains.

I thought Atlantic Yards was too small for a hockey rink... How are they solving that?

As noted above, they're not. The hockey set-up will shrink capacity to 14.5K fans. In fairness, when was the last time that number showed up to see a game at the Coliseum?
   30. Papa Squid Posted: October 25, 2012 at 12:54 AM (#4282721)
If you look past the rhetoric a little, they're actually pretty close on the numbers already


Yup. I agree with this. I think they'll settle in time to save the Winter Classic. All the rest is theatre.

That the NHL has allowed it to get to this point is the height of incompetence.


I would agree, and add that it's also the height of greed. The owners have some balls signing players to big contracts that they never had any intention of honouring.


With the NHL and NBA they have no such appointment viewing.


I know many would consider Hockey Night in Canada to be appointment viewing.

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