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Baseball Primer Newsblog — The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand Friday, April 13, 2018DRays Bay: Montreal Expos ownership group positioned for MLB relocation
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This article describes and analyzes the plan of Garner and Bronfman to privately fund a new stadium. I think MLB is using Montreal as a bargaining chip, like it used Washington for so long. But if a team moves, I would strongly prefer it to be the Rays, for sentimental as well as historical reasons. The author thinks that the franchise would change its name if it moved to Montreal. Could an original AL team really let go of that much historical capital? Dr. Vaux
Posted: April 13, 2018 at 02:43 PM | 32 comment(s)
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1. bunyon Posted: April 13, 2018 at 04:23 PM (#5653426)And, they're about due, right? They're coming up on having been in Oakland longer than Philadelphia. (KC was 12 years).
But they should totally change "Athletics" to the French word for Athletics - which Google tells me is "Athletisme" (with an accent over the first e).
That being said, Expos is still the heavy favorite. (And I agree that the team moving back is still unlikely)
My guess is that this is probably true, but also that "Canada" is a bigger obstacle in owners' minds than "Montreal" in particular. But, at the same time, in baseball as in life, you get the right billionaires in place and who knows what might happen.
they moved to St. Louis in 1902 and became the Browns.
Passions may have cooled over the years, but I think this would go over about as well in Montreal as naming a Boston hockey team the Yankees.
Good luck getting a MLB team, preferably of the expansion variety, but Montreal lost the Expos because the locals, including the Bronfmans, weren't willing to put money into the team, opening the door for Loria. I'll be a bit skeptical that mega-rich owners, ready, willing & able to spend tons of their own money, are actually on board until someone starts writing checks.
That would be disappointing. The team was named after the World's Fair that had happened just the year before they were awarded the franchise. Nothing like that exists today, and that team's been gone for over a decade.
I think Warren Cromartie's favourite band is Rush.
He's thanked personally on the liner notes to Signals, and the blueprints for "Warren Cromartie Secondary School" appears on the back cover. So maybe it's actually that Warren Cromartie is just Rush's favourite baseball player, but I get the feeling it's a mutual admiration kind of thing.
In most minds, Expos has nothing to do with fair. The name is synonymous with baseball in Quebec.
The situation was terrible in the late 90s/early 00s. I believe it has changed since. Medias (Quebec has its own media system) were completely ignoring baseball, everything associated to the sport was negative. The time off has changed the perspective, the media landscape has changed (there are now 2 sports networks that would fight for the TV rights), the baseball industry has changed. It just might work.
Everything is completely different now, you really can’t use evidence from when the Expos left to assess whether they would succeed now.
LOL. Give Charlie O an extra $100 and he would have changed the name in a heartbeat.
Miami for 4 of their first 5 years was top 10 (twice top 5) in the NL for attendance. Very solid. 12th is the best since then (since 1997 when they won the WS then dumped every good player). They cracked 2 million when they moved into their new park (2012) but have been dead last in the NL ever since for attendance. In fact from 2006 to 2018 they have been dead last in the NL for attendance (other than the first year in the new park) EVERY year. In fact, since their first WS win they have been below 1 million as often as above 2 million (once each).
Montreal, on the other hand, cracked 2 million each of the 2 years before they made the playoffs in 1981 (the strike year) and did it again each of the next 2 years. So Montreal cracked 2 million 4 times with good but not great teams in a park that most hated for baseball (the Big Owe is not a good ballpark, I went to a game in 1994 and while I had fun I was miles from the field it seemed). So 4 times for Montreal in an era when 2 million was rare vs 4 times for both Florida teams combined in an era when it is expected. Despite Montreal getting 1 playoff appearance (during a strike year yet) vs those 2 teams getting 2 WS titles (both Miami) plus 4 more playoff appearances (all Tampa).
Yeah, Montreal at the end was sad but that was due to an assortment of factors (owner & league tearing apart the team and saying basically only idiots would support them, a big chunk of the stadium falling off one day). I'm sure the city would be far, far stronger support now than either Florida franchise gets at least as far as bums in the seats, especially if a new park is built.
Then, in 1983, they would've become the Saskatoon Cardinals. Which would've been cool.
Charlie wanted to move the Kansas City A's to Louisville and rename them the Kentucky Colonels...which would've allowed him to keep the "KC" on their caps.
Or do something more fun -- move the fences in in the Trop, and when the schedule is released early in the year try to schedule based on whether it's best for the Rays to play that opponent in a homerdome or in a swampy outdoor park. Sure, you're guesstimating in the winter what teams will look like in August, but it'd still be a unique bit of home field advantage.
Come to think of it, the Marlins should be forced to play a percentage of their games in Puerto Rico for a while, then moved to Montreal. It's only just.
I know it won't happen - but I would love to see this. Rays are pretty heavily reliant on decent TV ratings already, right? So a fan in Tampa can always catch the game that way while their on the road. While they're at it, I'm sure there's a triple A or college park in Jacksonville or Tallahassee they could use for a game or 2 each to really play everywhere in Florida.
Jeff Loria's Midas touch!
Off the top of my head, teams with permanent double (or more) homes:
Kansas City-Omaha Kings
Virginia Squires
Carolina Cougars
Then you have your kind ofs: The Celtics playing a handful of home games in Providence or Hartford (?), the Bullets after leaving Baltimore for DC playing games in the Baltimore Civic Center -- which they did well into the 90s.
It's not entirely unprecedented, though at those distances it probably is.
And 10 at the stadium in Puerto Rico where the Expos played in their last couple seasons.
Packers in County Stadium, where both teams stood on the same sideline.
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