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‘Duk: Was that a marijuana leaf t-shirt that Yu Darvish was sporting today in Texas?

The SO-Weed Factor?

Fresh off a long flight from Japan, the newest Texas Rangers pitcher raised more than a few eyebrows in Dallas-Forth Worth on Friday by wearing a t-shirt with a symbol more closely associated with High Times magazine than Major League Baseball.

That’s not exactly the type of thing that the Rangers want to see from a guy they just committed $111 million to, so what gives with the hazy decision? Was the newly-divorced Darvish announcing his intentions to, uh, broaden his horizons? Attempting to make new friends with Tim Lincecum? Playing a pretty good joke on the straight-laced Nolan Ryan?

None of the above, said the 25-year-old righthander, who was quickly asked about the t-shirt at his introductory press conference at Rangers Ballpark. According to several reporters on the scene, Darvish just said he likes to wear shirts with English writing and that he had no idea it signaled an interest in something more.

There was another explanation for the t-shirt, though, and it comes with the explanation that the shirt doesn’t show a pot leaf at all.

According to Konnichiwhoa, reports out of Japan said the shirt depicts a Japanese maple leaf. And the story checks out if you look at this side-by-side illustration of a Japanese maple leaf and a cannabis leaf.

Repoz Posted: January 23, 2012 at 02:03 PM | 63 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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1. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: January 23, 2012 at 02:32 PM (#4043357)

One of the more amusing things about living in Indonesia was the fact that a number of the locals wore t-shirts with illustrations of marijuana plants on them. You arrive in the Jakarta airport with a sign that says "Welcome. Drug traffickers face the death penalty". Recently, a 14 year-old Australian teenager was given three years in a Balinese for possession of a small amount of weed in Bali. Having just moved back to NYC, one of the first things I noticed, which I hadn't smelled in over two years, was the scent of marijuana on almost every corner. Here in NYC, so many people smoke, and no one is even trying to hide it.

2. retro-shiite Posted: January 23, 2012 at 02:34 PM (#4043365)

If you're concerned about the pot leaf t-shirt, I'm sure the Cubs could take him off your hands. I mean, better safe than sorry.

3. Walt Davis Posted: January 23, 2012 at 03:13 PM (#4043404)

Japanese maple leaf

Better a pothead than a Canadian!

4. TOLAXOR Posted: January 23, 2012 at 03:15 PM (#4043406)

TOLAXOR, BACK IN THE DAY, USED TO WEAR "BOAST" SHIRTS THAT HAD THE JAPANESE MAGNOLIA LEAF ON THEM TO PLAY TENNIS....

TEE-HEE!

5. Don Malcolm

Posted: January 23, 2012 at 03:32 PM (#4043417)

No dope, no beer, no chicken, no T-shirts that even celebrate the (former) glories of the "high life"--what's next, the brain police attached to every synapse?

Maybe Darvish can opt for a plastic bubble a la John Travolta so that he won't be too contaminated by those who would want to "purify" his thoughts. The boy has enough to think about, not to mention those alimony payments...

Repoz: John Barth sez hi.

Roxalot: You must have spent a lotta time under those headphones at full volume while under the influence of Ye Olde "magnolia leaf"...your hearing seems to have been affected to the point where you have to SHOUT A LOT and spell your real name backwards!! :-)

6. Dock Ellis on Acid

Posted: January 23, 2012 at 03:35 PM (#4043424)

TOLAXOR sightings always brighten one's day.

7. RMc is the loyal supporter of the MLB event Posted: January 23, 2012 at 03:37 PM (#4043427)

Where's Juan Bong when you really need him?

8. Old Man James Posted: January 23, 2012 at 04:22 PM (#4043470)

Baseball wasn't why I went to my mother's basement, but it is why I stayed.

9. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 23, 2012 at 04:25 PM (#4043476)

I have a Japanese maple tree right in front of my house, and I can confirm that its leaves do have a very similar shape to those of a pot plant.

They're beautiful trees, turning a brilliant fire-red in the fall.

10. chris h. is a member of Team Keefe! Posted: January 23, 2012 at 04:41 PM (#4043492)

If you're concerned about the pot leaf t-shirt, I'm sure the Cubs could take him off your hands. I mean, better safe than sorry.

Geovany Soto would totally be his personal catcher.

11. What did Billy Ripken have against Elroy Face? Posted: January 23, 2012 at 04:55 PM (#4043514)

I'm more concerned about the "I Will Survive" than the leaf. Truly a terrible song, especially Cake's version, which I think pioneered the hipster-ironic cover.

12. Enrico Pallazzo Posted: January 23, 2012 at 05:03 PM (#4043524)

When I hear about the harsh weed penalties abroad, and even next door in the US, I shudder. The Liberal Party of Canada just voted to legalize the stuff the next time they get voted into a majority and yet some kid gets 3 years for having a gram in his pocket? Crazy. We have a looooooong way to go.

I've been in Vancouver for the last 2 weeks and one day 3 saw a dude smoking a joint out in the open in Gastown and noone, including families passing by, gave a single sh*t. I've smelled the stuff several times already just like Post 1. It's a wonderful substance.*

*...In the right context yadda yadda yadda...

13. Harmon "Thread Killer" Microbrew Posted: January 23, 2012 at 05:16 PM (#4043539)

My brother has lived in Taiwan for many years and has many stories about the perceived glamour of wearing clothing with English writing on it.

Among his favourite tales is one of seeing an amateur bodybuilder filling out a pink t-shirt bearing the phrase "Bun in the Oven", with an arrow pointing to the wearer's mid-section.

14. Athletic Supporter leads the nation in drifters Posted: January 23, 2012 at 05:23 PM (#4043546)

Among his favourite tales is one of seeing an amateur bodybuilder filling out a pink t-shirt bearing the phrase "Bun in the Oven", with an arrow pointing to the wearer's mid-section.

Manny Ramirez would be proud.

15. Voros McCracken, Human Shield Posted: January 23, 2012 at 05:55 PM (#4043572)

I think the Michael Phelps case points out the kind of damage pot usage does to one's athletic abilities.

16. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 23, 2012 at 06:03 PM (#4043579)

Among his favourite tales is one of seeing an amateur bodybuilder filling out a pink t-shirt bearing the phrase "Bun in the Oven", with an arrow pointing to the wearer's mid-section.

Related.

17. OsunaSakata Posted: January 23, 2012 at 06:11 PM (#4043587)

More of the dangers of not completely understanding English.

18. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: January 23, 2012 at 06:52 PM (#4043615)

Among his favourite tales is one of seeing an amateur bodybuilder filling out a pink t-shirt bearing the phrase "Bun in the Oven", with an arrow pointing to the wearer's mid-section.

I taught English to third graders in Jakarta. One day a kid walked in with the shirt with the phrase "I'm getting too old for this ####\". A lesson was born.

19. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: January 23, 2012 at 06:52 PM (#4043616)

double post

20. Walt Davis Posted: January 23, 2012 at 07:04 PM (#4043620)

I'm more concerned about the "I Will Survive" than the leaf. Truly a terrible song, especially Cake's version, which I think pioneered the hipster-ironic cover.

Surely Husker Du's cover of the Mary Tyler Moore theme song predates this by a decade.

21. What did Billy Ripken have against Elroy Face? Posted: January 23, 2012 at 07:25 PM (#4043633)

Surely Husker Du's cover of the Mary Tyler Moore theme song predates this by a decade.

Wasn't aware of that one. It kind of qualifies - certainly the choice of song, but Husker Du didn't really have the same generally ironic ethos as Cake. So let's call it the "missing link" of the hipster-ironic cover. Coverus Ironicus Habilis.

22. McCoy Posted: January 23, 2012 at 07:35 PM (#4043639)

I seem to remember a ton of bands in the mid-90's doing the hipster-ironic cover of mainstream songs. Cake was just the one that brokethrough and actually got people to buy the single. For instance Thousand Mona Lisas coverd You Oughta Know in 1995 the year before Cake released I Will Survive.

I think Biz Markie is the one that really kick started it.

23. Greg (U)K Posted: January 23, 2012 at 07:53 PM (#4043648)

I've always assumed Nirvana's KISS cover Do You Love Me was somewhat ironic.

Though I'm not sure I've heard anyone describe Nirvana as hipsterish.

24. Fancy Pants is braggadocious about his Handle Posted: January 23, 2012 at 08:02 PM (#4043653)

Though I'm not sure I've heard anyone describe Nirvana as hipsterish.

Cobain wore a cardigan! A ############ cardigan!!!

25. What did Billy Ripken have against Elroy Face? Posted: January 23, 2012 at 08:22 PM (#4043666)

Yeah, but it wasn't an ironic cardigan. That cardigan was completely sincere.

In all seriousness, Nirvana was kind of the antithesis of the ironic, condescending-yet-transparently-insecure detachment of the hipster.

26. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: January 23, 2012 at 09:02 PM (#4043691)

Surely Husker Du's cover of the Mary Tyler Moore theme song predates this by a decade.

It kind of qualifies - certainly the choice of song, but Husker Du didn't really have the same generally ironic ethos as Cake.

I always figured it was some kind of ode to their shared Twin Cities heritage.

As for I Will Survive, I thought the Cake version was an abomination, but the original has always been one of my favorites from the disco era.

27. Lassus Posted: January 23, 2012 at 09:23 PM (#4043713)

For instance Thousand Mona Lisas covered You Oughta Know in 1995 the year before Cake released I Will Survive.

The EP in my closet of this cover disagrees it was hipster ironic; but me, I have no idea.

28. Bob Evans Posted: January 23, 2012 at 09:24 PM (#4043714)

I seem to remember a ton of bands in the mid-90's doing the hipster-ironic cover of mainstream songs. I think Biz Markie is the one that really kick started it.

My fave in that vein goes back a little further, to The Beat doing Andy Williams's "Can't Get Used to Losing You" (admittedly they were probably taking off of Alton Ellis, but still). And don't forget Sly and the Family Stone doing "Que Sera, Sera".

29. Wins Above Paul Westerberg Posted: January 23, 2012 at 11:44 PM (#4043832)

I've always assumed Nirvana's KISS cover Do You Love Me was somewhat ironic.

In his "Our Band Could Be Your Life" book, Michael Azerrad claims it was The Replacements who brought the lame-cover-of-bad-music into the front of hip, indie culture. On Let It Be, they cover KISS's "Black Diamond."

30. TerpNats Posted: January 23, 2012 at 11:50 PM (#4043839)

Is this Cake the same as the all-female group from the '60s who had a minor hit with Jackie DeShannon's composition "Baby That's Me"? Or is this a different outfit?

31. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: January 24, 2012 at 12:12 AM (#4043850)

Is this Cake the same as the all-female group from the '60s who had a minor hit with Jackie DeShannon's composition "Baby That's Me"? Or is this a different outfit?

compare and contrast

P.S. Jackie DeShannon was a very talented songwriter, but her career as a singer was based on her renditions of Burt Bacharch songs (not that there's anything wrong with that)

32. vortex of dissipation Posted: January 24, 2012 at 01:00 AM (#4043872)

I think this album deserves some respect as a trailblazer in the ironic cover department...

33. frannyzoo Posted: January 24, 2012 at 01:01 AM (#4043873)

This thread is further proof that pot is a gateway drug to harder, more dangerous stuff, in this case kitschy, ironic cover songs. That's one reason it should remain criminalized.

34. What did Billy Ripken have against Elroy Face? Posted: January 24, 2012 at 01:06 AM (#4043876)

Yeah, but somehow the Replacements and Bryan Ferry lack the smugness that characterizes true hipster irony. Subjective, I know. Someone needs to quantify replacement-level hipsterism.

Edit: No pun intended (or achieved) on "replacement."

35. JoeHova Posted: January 24, 2012 at 01:22 AM (#4043888)

If that's really a Japanese maple leaf, this reminds me of a time in high school when some teacher tried to get one of my friends suspended for wearing an Ohio State shirt that had a buckeye leaf on it, on the grounds that it was really a marijuana leaf. We explained to her that Ohio State is a major university and therefore unlikely to use a weed leaf as their logo but she wasn't having it. She eventually settled for forcing him to change into a lost-and-found shirt.

36. McCoy Posted: January 24, 2012 at 01:38 AM (#4043898)

Yeah, but somehow the Replacements and Bryan Ferry lack the smugness that characterizes true hipster irony. Subjective, I know. Someone needs to quantify replacement-level hipsterism.

So then William Shatner is the trailblazer?

37. McCoy Posted: January 24, 2012 at 01:40 AM (#4043900)

38. TerpNats Posted: January 24, 2012 at 02:11 AM (#4043920)

P.S. Jackie DeShannon was a very talented songwriter, but her career as a singer was based on her renditions of Burt Bacharach songs (not that there's anything wrong with that)

With this song, I beg to differ. I like the Searchers' better-known version; I love Jackie's.

39. Tripon Posted: January 24, 2012 at 02:55 AM (#4043925)

It is not like the Japanese has a hold on the idea of stupid #### on a t-shirt (Or on their bodies).

40. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: January 24, 2012 at 03:14 AM (#4043927)

I think the Michael Phelps case points out the kind of damage pot usage does to one's athletic abilities.

As Conan O'Brien observed, the real lesson is "Never share your pot with someone who has the lung capacity of a dolphin."

41. Alan S Posted: January 24, 2012 at 03:29 AM (#4043931)

P.S. Jackie DeShannon was a very talented songwriter, but her career as a singer was based on her renditions of Burt Bacharch songs (not that there's anything wrong with that)

With this comment, I can't not mention this (probably) ironic but faithful cover of Bacharach's "Something Big" by baseball Hall of Famer/indie omnipresence Jim O'Rourke.

42. Chicago Joe

Posted: January 24, 2012 at 03:40 AM (#4043934)

Sounds like a teacher in high school. The egos on them and their absolute refusal to admit they are wrong is unrivaled.

I laughed.

43. Tripon Posted: January 24, 2012 at 03:55 AM (#4043935)

Sounds like a teacher in high school. The egos on them and their absolute refusal to admit they are wrong is unrivaled.

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Wait, what? Don't blame the teaching professions for just general ########. Blame the ######## instead.

44. McCoy Posted: January 24, 2012 at 12:18 PM (#4044121)

I laughed.

Of course you did.

Wait, what? Don't blame the teaching professions for just general ########. Blame the ######## instead.

I think I did.

45. Nasty Nate Posted: January 24, 2012 at 12:27 PM (#4044132)

Another cover trend which was annoying was having a guy sing (not rap) 80's/90's west coast hip-hop over an acoustic guitar.

46. chris h. is a member of Team Keefe! Posted: January 24, 2012 at 01:33 PM (#4044211)

Sounds like a teacher in high school. The egos on them and their absolute refusal to admit they are wrong is unrivaled.

True story: a friend of mine was going to a public high school in the very early 80's. At that time, some students were starting to write their papers on home computers (Commodore 64s, Apple IIs, Radio Shack TRS-80s, and so on). The schools were concerned that being able to just save a copy of the paper to another disk meant that plagiarism would be much more common.

In order to fight this potential scourge, the math teacher (who was in charge of anything computer-related because, well, math teachers MUST know something about computers) instituted a new policy: if you turned in a paper written on a computer (and it was pretty easy to tell the difference), you had to also bring in the disk that contained your paper so they could destroy it.

Now, putting aside the fact that a blank disk cost anywhere from $4-$7 in those days, the idea was stupid beyond belief. Naturally it would be child's play to make a copy of the file prior to turning in the disk, but even beyond that...the school didn't have a room full of different computers or anything. They had no way to even CHECK the disks to see if the paper (or anything) was on it. My friend just kept a small box where he'd toss bad disks; he'd pull one out whenever he needed to turn in a paper.

That math teacher was an idiot.

47. McCoy Posted: January 24, 2012 at 02:47 PM (#4044327)

By the time I got to high school (early 90's) it was a little different. You were more likely to get a higher grade on your paper if you handed in a paper done on the computer than if you were to hand in a hand-written paper.

48. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: January 24, 2012 at 03:03 PM (#4044357)

the math teacher (who was in charge of anything computer-related because, well, math teachers MUST know something about computers)

I just want to throw this in because it's tech-ignorance-related... bookstore I used to work at, the tech buyer insisted we should not demagnetize books that came with a CD, because the magnet would destroy the CD. I tried repeatedly to explain to her that it would be fine, but finally she said, "Well, my husband works with computers, and that's what he told me."

EDIT:

By the time I got to high school (early 90's) it was a little different. You were more likely to get a higher grade on your paper if you handed in a paper done on the computer than if you were to hand in a hand-written paper.

On the flip (obverse? orthoganal?) side of this, one of my law students turned in his first paper, handwritten.
Not a printer problem, he just thought that was fine. In law school.

49. gef the talking mongoose Posted: January 24, 2012 at 03:18 PM (#4044376)

Ironic covers way before Cake's? About half the punk albums that had come out by 1980 probably qualify, depending on how broadly you want to definite the concept.

The Cure's Voodoo Lady comes to mind. The Stranglers' Walk on By. The Rezillos' (as well Drinking Electricity's) Glad All Over. The Damned's Help. The Drones' Be My Baby. Wire's After Midnight. The Dickies' Knights in White Satin, Eve of Destruction & Paranoid. The Germs' Sugar Sugar.

Dunno if Devo's Satisfaction is considered "ironic," but it's by god great.

50. What did Billy Ripken have against Elroy Face? Posted: January 24, 2012 at 03:44 PM (#4044408)

Another cover trend which was annoying was having a guy sing (not rap) 80's/90's west coast hip-hop over an acoustic guitar.

Ugh. Possibly even worse than hipster ironic covers.

Dunno if Devo's Satisfaction is considered "ironic," but it's by god great.

Nope. Devo themselves come close to the ironic aesthetic, but without the smug condescension. However, to be a hipster ironic cover, the song covered has to be nearly universally acknowledged as bad/lightweight/kitschy/etc. so that by covering it, the hipsters can be so uncool that they're cooler than you (in their minds at least). A rock classic like Satisfaction doesn't fit that bill.

51. McCoy Posted: January 24, 2012 at 04:14 PM (#4044461)

However, to be a hipster ironic cover, the song covered has to be nearly universally acknowledged as bad/lightweight/kitschy/etc.

I always viewed it as a symbol of an era/trend/fashion/style that is now out of fashion.

You don't see people walking around with Golden Child t-shirts or dressing like Michael Jackson/Eddie Murphy from Thriller/Raw.

52. What did Billy Ripken have against Elroy Face? Posted: January 24, 2012 at 04:41 PM (#4044553)

I always viewed it as a symbol of an era/trend/fashion/style that is now out of fashion.

That's part of it too - so out of fashion that they're now more fashionable than you, in their own minds. Same principle. See also: 95% of Tarantino's casting decisions (Travolta, Grier, etc.).

53. Chicago Joe

Posted: January 24, 2012 at 05:18 PM (#4044646)

Of course you did.

Thought you were engaging in a bit of self-parody. Maybe you had a bad time in high school or something.
When I think of egotistical, a high school teacher is nowhere near the first thing that comes to mind.

54. chris h. is a member of Team Keefe! Posted: January 24, 2012 at 05:22 PM (#4044654)

By the time I got to high school (early 90's) it was a little different. You were more likely to get a higher grade on your paper if you handed in a paper done on the computer than if you were to hand in a hand-written paper.

A lot of the change was driven first by computers becoming more ubiquitous, and second by the revolution started by (somewhat) laser printers and (more widely) the HP DeskJet, which allowed you to produce "letter-quality" output (i.e. comparable to a typewriter) without having to suffer with a separate daisy-wheel printer just for papers. When I was in high school (and college), many teachers/professors would not accept dot-matrix output, especially from 9-pin printers -- and even 24-pin printers didn't satisfy everyone.

Most of my kids' teachers demanded computer-prepared papers for anything other than simple, short homework essays. Heck, even when I was in college in the mid-80's you couldn't turn in something that was hand-written; at the very least you needed to type the darned thing.

55. chris h. is a member of Team Keefe! Posted: January 24, 2012 at 05:22 PM (#4044655)

Dunno if Devo's Satisfaction is considered "ironic," but it's by god great.

Nice to know I'm not the only one who loves that.

Didn't even know it existed until I saw Casino.

56. Chicago Joe

Posted: January 24, 2012 at 05:25 PM (#4044664)

If that's really a Japanese maple leaf, this reminds me of a time in high school when some teacher tried to get one of my friends suspended for wearing an Ohio State shirt that had a buckeye leaf on it, on the grounds that it was really a marijuana leaf. We explained to her that Ohio State is a major university and therefore unlikely to use a weed leaf as their logo but she wasn't having it. She eventually settled for forcing him to change into a lost-and-found shirt.

Obviously some people are aware of the weed association.

This is innocent, too.

57. just plain joe Posted: January 24, 2012 at 05:49 PM (#4044708)

This is innocent, too.

My wife used to teach high school and those were always popular with boys who thought they were a lot cooler than they were. Youth, what a concept, although to be honest I don't give a crap what they wear or what they look like as long as they don't make loud noises after 10:00 PM.

58. Lassus Posted: January 24, 2012 at 07:04 PM (#4044843)

Songs that people cover because they actually love them are primarily considered hipster and ironic by ironic hipsters.

See: Redd Kross - Dancing Queen, the aforementioned "Black Diamond", and They Might be Giants' New York City. (I include that last one because even if the original wasn't a popular song, the review in the Stranger in Seattle went ON AND ON about how ironic and snarky and even bitter the song was. Forgetting, unaware, or uninterested that TMBG has lived their entire lives there, and meant it.)

59. What did Billy Ripken have against Elroy Face? Posted: January 24, 2012 at 08:12 PM (#4044945)

Fair point, but part of ironic hipsterism is professing to actually love the songs you cover with hipster irony.

60. Lassus Posted: January 24, 2012 at 08:20 PM (#4044951)

Fair point, but part of ironic hipsterism is professing to actually love the songs you cover with hipster irony.

Yeah, I just disagree with that.

(Although upon re-reading, I may not understand it.)

61. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 24, 2012 at 08:26 PM (#4044957)

It is not like the Japanese has a hold on the idea of stupid #### on a t-shirt (Or on their bodies).

Related.

62. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 24, 2012 at 08:28 PM (#4044959)

Ironic covers way before Cake's? About half the punk albums that had come out by 1980 probably qualify, depending on how broadly you want to definite the concept.

The Cure's Voodoo Lady comes to mind. The Stranglers' Walk on By. The Rezillos' (as well Drinking Electricity's) Glad All Over. The Damned's Help. The Drones' Be My Baby. Wire's After Midnight. The Dickies' Knights in White Satin, Eve of Destruction & Paranoid. The Germs' Sugar Sugar.

How about the Diodes' cover of "Red Rubber Ball"?

63. Something Other Posted: January 25, 2012 at 06:59 PM (#4045747)

Most of my kids' teachers demanded computer-prepared papers for anything other than simple, short homework essays. Heck, even when I was in college in the mid-80's you couldn't turn in something that was hand-written; at the very least you needed to type the darned thing.

Man, I remember well the pain of typing long, college papers and having to resort to scissors and magic tape to make significant changes, then running to the copier store juuust in time to hand in a smooth copy in class.

Sounds like a teacher in high school. The egos on them and their absolute refusal to admit they are wrong is unrivaled.

College profs yield to no group wrt their arrogance and refusal to admit error. I spent an entire semester dealing with the vengefulness of a prof whose husband had taught a class I took the previous semester. I admit I was pretty hard on the guy--his combination of arrogance and stupidity was enraging then stupefying, and he managed to utterly demoralize an entire studio of talented kids--but he deserved it. Between the two of them I have no idea how they survived together. The self-righteousness was precedent setting.

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