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Tuesday, September 29, 2009

Dyer: These San Francisco Giants Employees Must Go

Pruritusani “Muscles” Keger…at the garlic fries stand has got to go!

1. Manager Bruce Bochy

The contracts for both Giants General Manager Brian Sabean and Field Manager Bruce Bochy are up, and retaining or removing Sabean/Bochy looms as the biggest decisions team owner Bill Neukom will make at the start of his ownership era. Here’s the deal: Neukom has a rare opportunity to make a clear, decisive stroke and take real ownership of the franchise in his name. Beyond the merits or weaknesses of Brian Sabean or Bruce Bochy, Neukom should relish the chance to make a clean cut with the past; even the recent, slightly more positive past.

Bochy is a steady, reliable caretaker who won’t screw things up day-to-day. But he is not the guy who will lead a dynamic young team to a World Series victory. Like Dusty Baker, Bochy cannot let go of his crack-like addiction to giving endless at-bats to steady, reliable mediocre veterans who also won’t screw things up but bring little else to the fight.

For much of the 2009 season, the Giants batting line-up consisted four #6 batters (Randy Winn, Aaron Rowand, Edgar Renteria, and Fred Lewis), one triple A batter (Travis Ishikawa), one clean-up hitter who should be batting no higher than 5th (Bengie Molina), and the potent Pablo Sandoval, a actual, honest-to-gosh #3 hitter. And while Bochy can only play the hand dealt to him, and the team is not likely to sit $9 or $10 million-dollar-a-year players on the bench, the hundreds of wasted at-bats given to Winn, Rowand, Ishikawa, Lewis, Rich Aurilia, and Renteria doomed this team to a third place finish.

Add to that Bochy’s utter inability to get Giant batters to play classic small-ball (to bunt, to move runners, to take walks, and to be aggressive on the bases), and you have a manager who abandoned the team’s only legitimate offensive strategy.

Repoz Posted: September 29, 2009 at 12:33 AM | 28 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 29, 2009 at 01:05 AM (#3334981)
This guy wants to fire Righetti as pitching coach. What!?!? The team has a 119 ERA+. How could you fire the pitching coach?!?!
   2. Tripon Posted: September 29, 2009 at 01:05 AM (#3334983)
Because Chris Duncan and Tony LaRussa may come.
   3. Tripon Posted: September 29, 2009 at 01:07 AM (#3334985)
Also, the Dodgers also had a 122 ERA+ for the season(well, before today's sorry performance.) But I'm not sure where Rick Honeycutt actually helped the team.

How much do you really have to do when you got Timmah, or Cain on your pitching staff?
   4. J. Michael Neal Posted: September 29, 2009 at 01:10 AM (#3334992)
Exactly who does this guy intend to have replace Renteria (Burriss, I guess, woo hoo!), Rowand, Ishikawa, Winn, and Lewis? That's a lot of holes to fill.
   5. Tripon Posted: September 29, 2009 at 01:15 AM (#3334997)
Doubt the Giants will get rid of Renteria, they can trade Rowand for another bad contract. (Guillen, or Bradley?) A guy like Matt Holliday would go a long way, and they can trade for Prince Fielder.
   6. God Posted: September 29, 2009 at 01:17 AM (#3334999)
They'd only want Prince Fielder for the possibility of pre-game Sumo matches against Sandoval.
   7. Tripon Posted: September 29, 2009 at 01:21 AM (#3335002)
Pablo and Sandoval on the same team? That would mean the San Fran would be on constant aftershocks watch.
   8. ColonelTom Posted: September 29, 2009 at 01:23 AM (#3335003)
Exactly who does this guy intend to have replace Renteria (Burriss, I guess, woo hoo!), Rowand, Ishikawa, Winn, and Lewis? That's a lot of holes to fill.

Seriously. How does Bochy get the axe from this guy for playing the guys Sabean gives him, while Sabean merits only a footnote under the diatribe about Bochy?
   9. Into the Void Posted: September 29, 2009 at 01:25 AM (#3335004)
Exactly who does this guy intend to have replace Renteria


At this point I would much prefer seeing Uribe starting over Renteria. Garko over Ishikawa. And anyone over Winn.
   10. TerpNats Posted: September 29, 2009 at 02:20 AM (#3335040)
Had the Giants simply put Emmanuel Burriss at shortstop in April, the team would have had a year's worth of incredible range at shortstop and legitimate speed on the bases for a mere $400,000; the $18 million they would have saved without Renteria could have potentially brought in an Adam Dunn to bat clean-up in July. What a difference that could have made in the Wild Card race.
About the only way the Nats would have given up Dunn to the Giants would have been straight up for Burriss (a D.C. native), at the very least.
   11. Tripon Posted: September 29, 2009 at 02:24 AM (#3335042)
Dude, the Giants would do that yesterday. Burriss is going to be a poor hitting utility fielder at best.
   12. God Posted: September 29, 2009 at 02:28 AM (#3335047)
Here's the best take I've seen on Burriss this year. The Giants really screwed the pooch on that one.
   13. Tricky Dick Posted: September 29, 2009 at 02:35 AM (#3335053)
Add to that Bochy’s utter inability to get Giant batters to play classic small-ball (to bunt, to move runners, to take walks, and to be aggressive on the bases),


Fire Bochy because he didn't give up enough outs?
   14. Tripon Posted: September 29, 2009 at 02:47 AM (#3335055)

Fire Bochy because he didn't give up enough outs?


Except the Giants made the outs anyway. I don't care for smallball, but boy were the Giants offense this year baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.
   15. Steve Treder Posted: September 29, 2009 at 02:51 AM (#3335062)
This is idiotic. The Giants have their problems, but as a team that's 10 games over .500 as of today, they have fewer problems than most teams. And among the problems that they have, Bruce Bochy's management of the roster he was given is far, far, far, far, far down the list.

Indeed, it's very likely the case that the Giants have done as well as they have this year *because* of Bochy, not despite him.
   16. jwb Posted: September 29, 2009 at 03:09 AM (#3335072)
The team's starting pitching can't seem to make it over the final hump to realize their undeniable potential. Tim Lincecum, Matt Cain, Jonathan Sanchez, and Madison Bumgarner require the kind of dynamic coaching leadership that will take them the rest of the way.
What kind of potential did the author see for Lincecum and Cain? He was expecting better than a strong candidate for his second Cy Young at age 25 and a very solid #2 starter? I don't remember Sanchez as being all that hyped; a MOR starter seems to me to be a better than average return for a 27th round draft pick. I think it's a bit early to be declaring that Bumgarner hasn't realized his potential. He was expecting an ERA better than 2.25?
   17. bigboyinbroward1980 Posted: September 29, 2009 at 03:56 AM (#3335099)
Jeez this guy wants to fire everybody....
   18. The Most Interesting Man In The World Posted: September 29, 2009 at 04:18 AM (#3335116)
they can trade Rowand for another bad contract. ... Bradley?

Pass.
   19. Dr Stankus and the Semicolons Posted: September 29, 2009 at 04:19 AM (#3335118)
I don't get the Righetti hate. I don't see how the Giants could possibly get any more out of their pitching, and Cain and Lincecum have both improved at the major league level. He's smart enough to leave Timmy alone. The bullpen was quite good as well.

I don't think that Bochy optimized the players on his roster, but Sabean is the one who set up the roster. Back when Baker and then Alou and now Bochy managed, they've all taken heat for over loving over the hill veterans. The common thread with all of these guys has been Sabean. Sabean probably does select managers who will take this tack, but he also has to be pushing this idea.
   20. The Most Interesting Man In The World Posted: September 29, 2009 at 04:20 AM (#3335120)
About the only way the Nats would have given up Dunn to the Giants would have been straight up for Burriss (a D.C. native), at the very least.

On the other hand, the Giants should have done this... before the season started. Sign Dunn, release Burriss would have effectively replicated that.
   21. The Artist Posted: September 29, 2009 at 04:27 AM (#3335129)
Indeed, it's very likely the case that the Giants have done as well as they have this year *because* of Bochy, not despite him.


The guy who kept giving Randy Winn AB's over Fred Lewis and Nate? The guy who penciled Edgar Renteria in the lineup over Ryan Garko against LHP, because Renteria hit a grand slam once (seriously: that was his reasoning)? The guy who refused to play Buster Posey at all, and instead gave Eli Whiteside starts?
   22. base ball chick Posted: September 29, 2009 at 04:30 AM (#3335131)
i like how he wants to get rid of almost the entire team, the entire coaching staff and management AND have the owner take a 54 mill loss by releasing renteria/rowand but he has like NO idea who is going to replace all these people

reminds me of the astros fans who want to trade away the 3 guys with complete no-trades - carlos lee/berkman/oswalt (and get like WHAT for them) and release matsui and instead play, um, uh, er - oh yeah - all these top prospects that stupid teams are gonna give us for those guys and their huge salaries

right

and of course, hire dave duncan as ???manager????
   23. Dr Stankus and the Semicolons Posted: September 29, 2009 at 04:33 AM (#3335133)
On the other hand, the Giants should have done this... before the season started. Sign Dunn, release Burriss would have effectively replicated that.


One more thing. I think that Brian Sabean has a fetish for defense at 1B. He never had a problem with JT Snow's offensive output, claiming that his D made up for it. He likely doesn't have too much problem with Ishikawa, who is not a good hitter, but good with the glove.

Thus, Dunn, even though he's a clear upgrade to the roster despite being a butcher in the field, wasn't a serious option. Better to spend that money on an over the hill Rentaria. Hells bells, Rentaria is no great fielder, I think perhaps about average for SS, and he plays a MUCH more important defensive position.
   24. Steve Treder Posted: September 29, 2009 at 04:36 AM (#3335137)
The guy who kept giving Randy Winn AB's over Fred Lewis and Nate? The guy who penciled Edgar Renteria in the lineup over Ryan Garko against LHP, because Renteria hit a grand slam once (seriously: that was his reasoning)? The guy who refused to play Buster Posey at all, and instead gave Eli Whiteside starts?

Yes. I very strongly urge you to read Chris Jaffe's book.
   25. Dr Stankus and the Semicolons Posted: September 29, 2009 at 04:43 AM (#3335144)
There's a lot of people saying that the Giants need to sign a "big bat" as though that will solve their offensive woes. There isn't one available in this free agent class, so it would require moving some of their prospects or worse, good young cheap pitching on the ML roster. Not sure that this would help the team win.

The offense is so bad because it has so many absolute holes in the line up. If they could replace these with simply average hitters, the offense would likely produce sufficiently to improve the win total with the fine pitching. This is something they should be able to do on the free agent market.
   26. Dr Stankus and the Semicolons Posted: September 29, 2009 at 04:44 AM (#3335145)
@22 BBC trying to pull off the rare and highly difficult Astros thread hijack. :)
   27. thread killer Posted: September 29, 2009 at 05:08 AM (#3335159)
I am not a Giants fan but dont see what they could have done with the tools they had. All and all they over achieved and were lucky to beeb in a position to make a run with the offense they had. The arguments about Garko is dumb because it takes longer for players to switch leagues and adjust to the pitching (i.e. Holliday) and the Giants didnt have the time . Maybe if he would have started the year with the team then maybe there would be an arguement. As far as Posey goes, it was surprising that he was on the team at all as I was expecting him to be in spring training next year and start the year in AAA an then get called up. He would not have made a difference either way.
   28. Alex_Lewis Posted: September 29, 2009 at 05:10 AM (#3335163)
Bochy has made some absolutely horrendous decisions on a tactical level. When he had Cain try to suicide squeeze RYAN GARKO home during that series in Houston, I just about #### my pants. The man is blind. Maybe he taps into some sort of inconceivable veteran omeganess, but I highly doubt it.

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