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Tuesday, June 26, 2018

Easy to imagine the end of Sandy Alderson-Mickey Callaway regime

Monday’s 6-4 loss to the Pirates was the Mets’ seventh in a row and 14th in their last 15 home games. They are 31-45, which means they are 20-44 since an 11-1 start to Callaway’s rookie season as manager. The Marlins now have one more win than the Mets.

Much has been made of Callaway’s odd comments, such as when he said New York was a tougher place to play than Cleveland and seemed to suggest his players couldn’t handle it. He had another one on Monday, when he said of the Mets’ pitching in Sunday’s extra-inning loss to the Dodgers: “Other than the seven homers [allowed], we did OK.”


Sandy needs to go. The argument for him is that the Wilpons would hire someone worse. Sure, that could happen but it’s become increasingly clear that Sandy is not someone who can build a consistently good team. He’s been the GM for a long time with very little success. Even the 2015 Mets were not a great team, but a good one that got hot at the right time.

Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: June 26, 2018 at 02:20 AM | 15 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Walt Davis Posted: June 26, 2018 at 05:56 PM (#5700103)
First, sorry to hear about Alderson's cancer.

The Mets are sort of the O's of the NL. On paper, the team looks decent enough -- not good but not terrible -- yet nearly everything has fallen apart. With the Mets, it's largely injuries and a failed bullpen. I don't know where they're getting 5th starts from at the moment. They don't necessarily need to go full-blown rebuild (at least if the Wilpons will put some money in) but they might as well see what they can get for most of their vets now. Is Frazier willing to give up NY to play some relevant baseball?

I have no comment on Callaway as I don't know that I've watched a single Mets game yet so have no sense of his decision-making.
   2. Stormy JE Posted: June 26, 2018 at 06:00 PM (#5700105)
Where's the article, Russlan? The link leads nowhere.

And it's ownership that has failed, not Sandy. (Of course, Sandy's rightly stepping down to focus on his health.) Good luck if you think a successor (or successors, if the story Sherman is tweeting is accurate) can do much better with the Wilpons in charge.
   3. asinwreck Posted: June 26, 2018 at 06:01 PM (#5700106)
The Mets will now be general-manged by a three-headed hydra who ostensibly will establish a consensus and bring decisions to the Wilpons for approval. This does not sound like an improvement.
   4. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: June 26, 2018 at 06:19 PM (#5700118)
Link to the article

Obviously, baseball is not really important in the grand scheme of things and Alderson appears to be a decent man.


The Mets will now be general-manged by a three-headed hydra who ostensibly will establish a consensus and bring decisions to the Wilpons for approval. This does not sound like an improvement.


The Marlins are actively tanking and could be ahead of the Mets by the end of the night. It's hard to imagine them being worse.
   5. Walt Davis Posted: June 26, 2018 at 09:48 PM (#5700248)
It's hard to imagine them being worse.

Not that hard. There's pretty much nothing than can do in-season to change anything other than hope people get and stay healthy. Meanwhile presumably some of the decent players will be traded away.

I'll be surprised if this is still the arrangement when the offseason hits.

And it's ownership that has failed, not Sandy.

More agree than disagree but Sandy has still made a few odd moves. One of the Mets' needs three years ago was a CF, they still haven't really addressed it, but keep adding corner OFs. Why they re-signed Jay Bruce is a real mystery. If you were gonna re-sign him, that had to mean a move of either him or Conforto to 1B but they took a flyer on AGon instead. And of course then so many injuries, they took a flyer on Bautista. Similarly they've been cycling through IFs in an almost random manner -- Flores was an OK hitter but probably not good enough to stick at SS ... so they signed the decent-hitting, not good enough for SS Cabrera? And the aging Reyes? Then smartly signed Frazier but kept Reyes around anyway?

It's a series of moves that were wheel-spinning and oddly redundant. If you don't think player A brings quite the right combination of skills to start full-time you don't go out and get a copy of player A to complement him.
   6. Stormy JE Posted: June 26, 2018 at 10:21 PM (#5700279)
so they signed the decent-hitting, not good enough for SS Cabrera? And the aging Reyes? Then smartly signed Frazier but kept Reyes around anyway?
In fairness, Cabrera spent most of his games last season at either 2B or 3B; this season, he's been anchored at 2B.

As for Reyes, no explanation other than the Wilpons want him there makes any sense.
   7. formerly dp Posted: June 26, 2018 at 10:54 PM (#5700309)
Was at the game last night, but haven't been watching much due to travel: wtf are they doing playing Reyes at SS over Rosario?
   8. Adam Starblind Posted: June 27, 2018 at 08:38 AM (#5700409)

The Marlins are actively tanking and could be ahead of the Mets by the end of the night.


Maybe the Mets are actively tanking, but they just suck at that too.
   9. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 28, 2018 at 08:37 AM (#5701313)
Fixed the link.


Much has been made of Callaway’s odd comments, such as when he said New York was a tougher place to play than Cleveland and seemed to suggest his players couldn’t handle it. He had another one on Monday, when he said of the Mets’ pitching in Sunday’s extra-inning loss to the Dodgers: “Other than the seven homers [allowed], we did OK.”


Neither of those things seems that odd to me. We get a lot of that in Boston and whether it's true or not I think there is general perception that the northeast corridor cities are tougher to play in. As for the home run thing, I guess it's a bit odd but really it comes across as manager-speak. They only allowed one run on non-home runs. I mean yeah, it's a lot of "other than that how was the play Mrs. Lincoln" in there but it's focusing on the positives.

I don't know if Callaway is any good or not. The Mets are a couple of games below their PR and as Walt notes they don't look like a team that should be this bad. That 8-15 record in one run games is doing a lot of heavy lifting and how much Callaway has to do with that I can't say. Their bullpen looks like a tire fire and again, I can't say how much of that is Callaway and how much of that is just having crummy pitchers.
   10. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: June 28, 2018 at 08:44 AM (#5701316)
wtf are they doing playing Reyes at SS over Rosario?


Why would they play Rosario? He's terrible, clearly not ready.
   11. Karl from NY Posted: June 28, 2018 at 02:32 PM (#5701661)
really it comes across as manager-speak.


It comes across as manager-speak from one who's worried and defending himself. He's not commenting on or encouraging the team, he's justifying himself in that there wasn't anything HE failed to do for the team, giving up the home runs wasn't HIS fault, what is a manager expected to do about that.
   12. TomH Posted: June 28, 2018 at 03:28 PM (#5701718)


Why would they play Rosario? He's terrible, clearly not ready.

Why would they play Reyes? He is clearly so far much worse than Rosario!
   13. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: June 28, 2018 at 03:58 PM (#5701745)
Here's Mickey, in a nutshell.

Here’s where Callaway got outfoxed.


To start the bottom of the eighth, Hurdle double-switched his closer, Filipe Vazquez into the game, with David Freese taking over third base, trailing 3-1. After Vazquez got out of the inning surrendering only a single to Cabrera, this thinking became crystal clear. Jeurys Familia came in to close out the game — having thrown 23 pitches the night before — and promptly gave up three straight singles to make it a 3-2 game. Jordy Mercer walked to load the bases. About two batters too late, Callaway came out to get Familia. Anthony Swarzak came on shut it down, but gave up a single to Freese — see what happened, there? — to give the Pirates the lead. Bell added an icing-on-the-cake sacrifice fly. Oh, and just for good measure, with two outs, Callaway elected to pitch to Harrison, batting in front of Vazquez, rather than intentionally walking him to face a man who had had all of one at bat in his career.
   14. Hot Wheeling American, MS-13 Enthusiast Posted: June 28, 2018 at 04:25 PM (#5701772)
How did he get outfoxed? He just either shouldn't have pitched Familia or taken him out earlier (after giving up two singles)?
   15. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 28, 2018 at 04:37 PM (#5701779)
Reading that excerpt I don't see Callaway getting outfoxed, I see a closer not doing his job.

Callaway may in fact be really bad as a manager, I have no idea, but here are the ERAs of the nine Met relievers with at least 10 appearances;

3.48
2.76
4.37
6.41
5.30
4.85
5.03
6.75
4.85

It's not like he said "oh I have Mariano Rivera available but I'm going to stick with Mitch Williams here. He's due to throw a strike."

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