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Sunday, July 15, 2012

Edes: Bobby V. blames Youkilis for friction

Girls love the Youk ‘cause it causes crazy friction.

Red Sox manager Bobby Valentine placed the onus for his strained relationship with Kevin Youkilis on the former Sox infielder Sunday morning.

“I think the comment I made early, he made a big issue out of, and I don’t think he ever wanted to get over it,’’ Valentine said in response to a question about Youkilis, who will return to Fenway Park on Monday as a member of the Chicago White Sox, the team to which he was traded on June 24.

Valentine was alluding to a comment he made to WHDH-TV’s Joe Amorosino on April 15. “I don’t think he’s as physically or emotionally into the game as he has been in the past for some reason,” Valentine said…

Valentine strongly disputed that he had any problem with Youkilis in spring training, though he acknowledged he was aware that some teammates had issues with Youkilis.

“Yeah, I was aware of that,’’ Valentine said.

Did he have concerns that it could morph into a bigger problem?

“Don’t know,’’ he said. “What’d you think? I inherited that situation. I didn’t cause it.’’

When asked in April by ESPN Boston if pitcher Josh Beckett had accused him of being a “snitch”—being the source of the “fried chicken and beer” expose in the Boston Globe—Youkilis didn’t deny it.

“There were tons of things going around where guys had questions,” Youkilis said.

Valentine, asked if he was aware that Youkilis had been accused of being a snitch, gave a vague response.

“I don’t know if I heard any of that stuff,’’ he said…

Asked if he was surprised that Youkilis appeared healthier [since the trade], Valentine said: “Not surprised. As a matter of fact, Maggs (hitting coach Dave Magadan) said he had no doubt if [Youkilis] went somewhere else he’d play better.’’

The District Attorney Posted: July 15, 2012 at 12:57 PM | 45 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: bobby valentine, crazy clown town, kevin youkilis, red sox, white sox

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   1. Swedish Chef Posted: July 15, 2012 at 03:22 PM (#4183170)
What are the odds that at least one of Valentine and Youkilis will get booed this series?
   2. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: July 15, 2012 at 03:24 PM (#4183174)
Very good. The odds are similarly good that it will be the one in theRed Sox uniform. Youk will get a standing O as most guys do.
   3. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 15, 2012 at 03:29 PM (#4183180)
Since the trade, Youkilis is hitting .316/.412/.509. Middlebrooks is hitting .143/.162/.343.
   4. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 15, 2012 at 03:39 PM (#4183192)
What are the odds that at least one of Valentine and Youkilis will get booed this series?

Doesn't Beckett come across worse than either of them?
   5. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: July 15, 2012 at 03:41 PM (#4183195)
Keep digging, Bobby. #######.
   6. SoSH U at work Posted: July 15, 2012 at 03:42 PM (#4183197)
What are the odds that at least one of Valentine and Youkilis will get booed this series?


Considering that while Bobby V. was going down this path, Youk instead went with this tack, I'm going to go ahead and agree with Jose.

Just shut up, Bobby.

Doesn't Beckett come across worse than either of them?


In general, or did he do something specific recently?
   7. Depressoteric feels Royally blue these days Posted: July 15, 2012 at 03:43 PM (#4183198)
I don't doubt for a second that Youkilis was a 'bad actor' here.

But this isn't helping.
   8. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: July 15, 2012 at 03:50 PM (#4183202)
Youk is still pretty popular in Boston. He got some heat through all of the unpleasantness but once he got dealt that seems to have gone away.
   9. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 15, 2012 at 03:55 PM (#4183210)
In general, or did he do something specific recently?

The effort to track down who may have outted his bad behavior. Doesn't seem like he was accepting responsibility, and/or was dividing the clubhouse by revisiting the issue. Not exactly turning the page on what might be best put behind them.
   10. Joey B. Posted: July 15, 2012 at 03:59 PM (#4183213)
Is there no end to the petty and overwrought drama and metadrama that surrounds everything that happens with the Red Sox? Why can't these guys just shut the hell up and play ball for a change?
   11. TerpNats Posted: July 15, 2012 at 04:19 PM (#4183230)
Is there no end to the petty and overwrought drama and metadrama that surrounds everything that happens with the Red Sox? Why can't these guys just shut the hell up and play ball for a change?
And endanger jobs at the Globe and Herald?
   12. Depressoteric feels Royally blue these days Posted: July 15, 2012 at 04:20 PM (#4183231)
Is there no end to the petty and overwrought drama and metadrama that surrounds everything that happens with the Red Sox? Why can't these guys just shut the hell up and play ball for a change?
This had occurred to me as well. Unfortunately it's the Red Sox, and it's Bobby V., and they're not playing well either: what the hell else is there to talk about in Boston?
   13. Srul Itza At Home Posted: July 15, 2012 at 05:02 PM (#4183272)
The latest from your Headline News Team:

Boston clubhouse in turmoil!

Bobby V right in the middle, stirring the pot!

Sun rising in the East, setting in the West!

Film at 11.
   14. Jittery McFrog Posted: July 15, 2012 at 05:48 PM (#4183314)
I am a fan of the "crazy clown town" tag.
   15. asinwreck Posted: July 15, 2012 at 05:53 PM (#4183316)
What are the odds that Valentine is still managing the Red Sox in September?
   16. tjm1 Posted: July 15, 2012 at 06:02 PM (#4183321)
What are the odds that Valentine is still managing the Red Sox in September?


About 50-50 - the same as the odds that the Red Sox are still in contention in September.
   17. The District Attorney Posted: July 15, 2012 at 06:02 PM (#4183322)
I am a fan of the "crazy clown town" tag.
As #13 alludes to, something tells me it'll continue to be useful in the near future...
   18. Chip Posted: July 15, 2012 at 06:05 PM (#4183323)
Meanwhile, the Red Sox take two of three in Tampa, and Middlebrooks follows up a HR last night with a 3-4 day, hopefully ending what was basically a 9-game slump (37 PAs).

That brief slump bracketed the hamstring injury which forced him out of the lineup for several games prior to the All-Star break.
   19. greenback calls it soccer Posted: July 15, 2012 at 06:07 PM (#4183324)
I am a fan of the "crazy clown town" tag.

That's a clown tag, bro.
   20. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: July 15, 2012 at 06:10 PM (#4183325)
25 players, 1 cab.
   21. Chip Posted: July 15, 2012 at 06:11 PM (#4183327)
25 players, 1 taxi.


Yeah, but in today's world they all have a limo service on speed dial.
   22. Jim Wisinski Posted: July 15, 2012 at 07:56 PM (#4183370)
Valentine is doing a great job of making one of the less likeable players in baseball into a sympathetic figure.
   23. SoSH U at work Posted: July 15, 2012 at 08:02 PM (#4183374)
25 players, 1 cab.


That's fantastic.
   24. Guapo Posted: July 15, 2012 at 08:10 PM (#4183383)
25 players, 1 cab.


Thread over
   25.     Hey Gurl Posted: July 15, 2012 at 08:15 PM (#4183385)
I love everything about this. Bobby Valentine is the gift that keeps on giving. My mind can only barely fantasize about the damage he can do to the Red Sox before he's ousted. It fills me with glee.
   26. Chip Posted: July 15, 2012 at 08:24 PM (#4183388)
Ben Cherington and Larry Lucchino are far greater threats to damage the Red Sox longterm. Valentine's ability to do damage is nominal compared to them.
   27. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: July 15, 2012 at 09:31 PM (#4183416)
Valentine is doing a great job of making one of the less likeable players in baseball into a sympathetic figure.


Romney and Obama should be doing everything possible to get Bobby to work on the presidential campaign -- for the other side.
   28. Jittery McFrog Posted: July 15, 2012 at 09:43 PM (#4183418)
Also, Kevin Youkilis is the sweatiest player I have ever seen. He's as about as frictionless as one can get.
   29. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: July 15, 2012 at 10:35 PM (#4183449)
Assuming it's actually Cherington making the moves. But I guess you can't fire the owners...
   30. Swedish Chef Posted: July 16, 2012 at 01:52 AM (#4183550)
The effort to track down who may have outted his bad behavior.

Josh Beckett as detective? They should make a show out of it, with Josh Beckett in a Sherlock Holmes outfit hunting the mole.
   31. The District Attorney Posted: July 16, 2012 at 02:31 AM (#4183556)
A show starring Josh Beckett would make Tarkovsky's pacing look zippy.
   32. Lassus Posted: July 16, 2012 at 07:11 AM (#4183572)
Youk is still pretty popular in Boston.

Yes, but he looks like an ugly circus freak. People can relate.
   33. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 16, 2012 at 07:18 AM (#4183574)
Obligatory:
Then there’s Kevin Youkilis. Youk has only three body parts, all hideously oversized: an enormous set of gnomish, bushy forearms; a massive, casaba melon–size white head; and a cauldronlike belly. He has a truly awesome bristle of thick red chin hair that makes his face look like a cross between a vagina and something out of The Hobbit. At the plate he disgustingly gushes sweat by some means previously unknown to science in which the moisture travels upward along his body, racing in a cascade from his balls and armpits up his neck, over his head, and back down over the bill of his helmet to shower the plate. Whereas a guy like Teixeira was born with a swing so gorgeous you want to paint it, Youkilis fighting a middle reliever to a nine-pitch walk looks like a rhinoceros trying to #### a washing machine.
   34. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: July 16, 2012 at 07:44 AM (#4183585)
Yeah, but in today's world they all have a limo service on speed dial.


Maybe the best $10 up-charge you'll pay on any given trip, my friend.
   35. villageidiom Posted: July 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM (#4183770)
I had a whole other post planned, but in writing that I thought of something else I found more interesting (to me at least).

Who among Red Sox regulars had never played in MLB for any other manager but Francona prior to this season?

Youkilis
Pedroia
Lester
Buchholz
Bard
Ellsbury
Matsuzaka

Ellsbury and Matsuzaka have been out pretty much the whole season, so let's set them aside for a moment. (Matsuzaka, is also a special case, as he played at the top level of NPB for many years.) Of the others in that list, how many of them had been underperforming this season with the Red Sox?

ZiPS Actual Player

124  84   Youkilis
118  92   Pedroia
127  96   Lester
122  78   Buchholz
145
82   Bard

For hittersstat shown is OPS+; for pitchersERA+.
ZiPS is preseasonfrom SzymborskiActual is as of todayfrom B-Ref.

* As 
reliever

Other players have also been underperforming, Gonzalez most notably. And the team has had an insane amount of injuries. But until now it hadn't occurred to me that the only-for-Francona players have, individually and as a group, fallen apart this year. To me underperformance had simply been a large subset of the 2011 team.

Is it Valentine? Yes and no. Other players - those who have played elsewhere, or are playing a more prominent role than they had in the past with Francona - are generally doing fine under Valentine. So it can't simply be Valentine himself. However, the players who came in under Francona appear to be struggling with the transition, and Valentine hasn't found a way to solve it yet. (Bard has had other transitions this year, so that could be an even greater factor for him.)

Maybe these players' heads are still stuck in 2011, and they feel bad for having precipitated Francona's departure (either because they behaved poorly, or because they leaked stuff to the media that contributed to Francona's departure). Maybe they don't like Valentine's style. Maybe, while sunk in a deep depression fueled by beer and chicken, they didn't prepare in the offseason and are paying for it now. Or maybe it's a grand coincidence that all the Francona-only regulars are tanking with Boston this year. I don't know.

Anyway, I found it interesting.
   36. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: July 16, 2012 at 12:21 PM (#4183823)
Whereas a guy like Teixeira was born with a swing so gorgeous you want to paint it
Ehhh? Not disputing that it's more aesthetically pleasing than Youk's, but never once have I thought of Teixeira as a guy with a pretty swing.
   37. Squash Posted: July 16, 2012 at 01:08 PM (#4183899)
25 players, 1 cab.

Applause.
   38. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: July 16, 2012 at 02:08 PM (#4183992)
10/24; .417/.440/.500; 3/0 SB/CS

I guess this means Pedroia is expendable.

You guys think Alderson would give up Mike Baxter and Pedro Beato for him?
   39. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: July 16, 2012 at 02:38 PM (#4184034)
10/24; .417/.440/.500; 3/0 SB/CS

I guess this means Pedroia is expendable.


Ciriaco's 3 for 3 day on Friday was exhibit A for the idea that there is a certain amount of luck involved in one's batting average. His hits were a 38-hopper over the bag at second, a pop fly that fell between three fielders, and a ball he pounded into the turf that took a high bounce on its way to the third baseman. Three poorly struck balls, three hits.
   40. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: July 16, 2012 at 03:24 PM (#4184098)
So much the better!

Now, if only he had some sort of lingering injury that could be expected to take him out of the lineup at some point in the next few weeks, we could feel really good about moving Pedroia.
   41. jmurph Posted: July 16, 2012 at 03:57 PM (#4184131)
Awesome. Alex Speier has the Sox DFAing Lillibridge.

   42. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 16, 2012 at 04:03 PM (#4184139)
Ciriaco looks like a cromulent utility guy and a fabulous pinch-runner. That's one more skill than Brent Lillibridge brought to the table.

Youkilis has a .400 OBP with three homers and 15 ribbies in 16 games with the White Sox.
   43. jmurph Posted: July 16, 2012 at 04:39 PM (#4184173)
Oh Lillibridge is terrible, no doubt. My "awesome" was alluding (preluding?) to something like your final sentence.
   44. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: July 16, 2012 at 04:45 PM (#4184181)
I hope Youk wins the ####### WS MVP
   45. The District Attorney Posted: July 16, 2012 at 08:51 PM (#4184370)
Alex Speier has the Sox DFAing Lillibridge.
I hate to gloat towards the guy here who was saying Lillibridge was a highly valuable utility player and arguably worth Youk by himself, but, sheesh.

Also, Bobby Valentine has been informed that his comments in no way reflect the opinions or positions of the Red Sox; and, because he is perceived as a representative of the Red Sox, he was asked to refrain from any further public comments about anything.

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