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Edwin Encarnacion hits AL-leading 21st HR | Seattle Mariners

Where the best fit? What can the Mariners get in exchange?

Jim Furtado Posted: June 12, 2019 at 06:17 AM | 23 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. bookbook Posted: June 12, 2019 at 07:40 AM (#5850837)
Your contending team needs this! At the low, low cost of your third, nay fifth, nay 45th best prospect.

Come on in. Crazy Jerry is selling, and everything must go!
   2. flournoy Posted: June 12, 2019 at 08:25 AM (#5850840)
Encarnacion has 401 career home runs and is 36. It's entirely possible he'll wind up with over 500. Has anyone, anywhere ever regarded him as a potential Hall of Famer? Is that on the table if he has a strong finish to his career?
   3. DL from MN Posted: June 12, 2019 at 08:55 AM (#5850843)
David Ortiz only had 401 HR through age 36 but was at 40 WAR compared to 34.2 for Encarnacion. That's the difference between a .350 OBP and .380 OBP.
   4. Ithaca2323 Posted: June 12, 2019 at 09:06 AM (#5850847)
Encarnacion has 401 career home runs and is 36. It's entirely possible he'll wind up with over 500. Has anyone, anywhere ever regarded him as a potential Hall of Famer? Is that on the table if he has a strong finish to his career?


He's not going to approach the WAR of Ortiz or (especially) Edgar. And Ortiz had the legendary postseason moments, while Encarnacion has a terrible postseason resume
   5. Walt Davis Posted: June 12, 2019 at 09:16 AM (#5850850)
Where the best fit?

Cleveland! :-)

It's something of a "problem" actually. Although he can handle 1B well enough on a part-time basis, you probably don't want him there every day which means an AL team. If the Yanks ever get healthy, they don't need him; the Rays won't want him; the Red Sox don't need him; the Twins don't need him. So that leaves the Indians, the White Sox or a team in their own division. The Astros would be a great fit and they have prospects to burn. And whihevver of the Rangers, Angels and A's take themselves seriously.

Even if you can convince an NL team he can handle 1B every day, the main contenders don't need 1B, maybe Milwaukee.
   6. PreservedFish Posted: June 12, 2019 at 09:24 AM (#5850851)
Rays should pursue him, he'd be an excellent fit there.

And as for the HOF - of course not.
   7. Walt Davis Posted: June 12, 2019 at 09:47 AM (#5850858)
On EE vs Ortiz ... the odd thing is that they have equal oWAR which means that Ortiz wins on Rfield where he has a 6 win edge. Of course the other way of stating that is that EE should have been a DH his whole career (they have equal dWAR) and then the difference would be offense. It seems a bit "unfair" in that most of EE's defensive terribleness was early when they were trying to shoehorn him into 3B.

Beyond the walks, Ortiz through 36 also has 130 more doubles and even a few more triples.
   8. SoSH U at work Posted: June 12, 2019 at 09:57 AM (#5850863)
t seems a bit "unfair" in that most of EE's defensive terribleness was early when they were trying to shoehorn him into 3B.


That's largely offset by Tom Kelly trying to shoehorn David Ortiz into the slap-hitting leadoff man role.
   9. RJ in TO Posted: June 12, 2019 at 10:06 AM (#5850869)
Encarnacion has 401 career home runs and is 36. It's entirely possible he'll wind up with over 500. Has anyone, anywhere ever regarded him as a potential Hall of Famer? Is that on the table if he has a strong finish to his career?
No, and no. It is possible he eventually gets in via the VC with a strong finish, because who knows with the VC, but absent turning into Barry Bonds, the BBWAA will likely dispose of him on the first ballot.
   10. TomH Posted: June 12, 2019 at 10:52 AM (#5850913)
Ortiz has more doubles because ... FENWAY!
   11. Ziggy is done with Dominican discotheques Posted: June 12, 2019 at 11:55 AM (#5850985)
Being a DH who can maybe fake first does limit his options. TB doesn't really need him - they're getting sneaky good production from DH, 1B, and anywhere you could shuffle the current incumbents off to. The Astros also don't need him, Tyler White is a guy I'd never heard of who plays 1B and is actually pretty good, and Yordan Alvarez is a monster who just got done rampaging through the PCL.

Michael Chavis' clock seems to have struck midnight. How about BOS? Brock at 2B, EE at 1B, Chavis to the bench (or to SEA)?
   12. Avoid Running At All Times- S. Paige Posted: June 12, 2019 at 12:52 PM (#5851040)
I vaguely remember Encarnacion coming up as a third base prospect. I know his bat was what made him a notable prospect but I thought there was hope that he could stick at third. Anyway, this is to say that discussions like this make me feel old. Also, the late great Harvey Wallbangers who posted here was always big on his bat, even before Encarnacion broke out.
   13. GregD Posted: June 12, 2019 at 12:59 PM (#5851046)
And whihevver of the Rangers, Angels and A's take themselves seriously.

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I doubt the As will be trading for anybody serious but even if they did why a DH? Khris Davis has struggled with injuries but he's a fine DH and has been, if anything, ridiculously consistent. At first Matt Olson has also struggled coming back from injury but still has a 129 OPS+ and has been heating up. There's no reason to think Olson's injury will recur. Davis, we'll see. There's some areas they need help to break out into the wild card chase but 1B/DH isn't anywhere near the top of the list.
   14. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: June 12, 2019 at 12:59 PM (#5851047)
I vaguely remember Encarnacion coming up as a third base prospect. I know his bat was what made him a notable prospect but I thought there was hope that he could stick at third. Anyway, this is to say that discussions like this make me feel old. Also, the late great Harvey Wallbangers who posted here was always big on his bat, even before Encarnacion broke out.


I will always remember EdE as the throw-in in the big Rob Bell - Ruben Mateo challenge trade between the Reds and the Rangers.
   15. Ziggy is done with Dominican discotheques Posted: June 12, 2019 at 02:01 PM (#5851085)
"Third base" prospect is more like it. Back then we called him E5. He's been surprisingly good since his CIN days. When he was traded to TOR I thought that it was likely that he's continue his 330/460 ways for a few years, and then sputter out when he hits 30. Instead, he had a late peak.
   16. rconn23 Posted: June 12, 2019 at 03:46 PM (#5851155)
"If the Yanks ever get healthy, they don't need him;"

Voit is a DH playing first base, but he seems entenched at the position. Given the Yanks pitching woes, I could see them trying to swing a trade for Edwin to try to just bludgeon everyone with that lineup.
   17. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: June 12, 2019 at 04:32 PM (#5851205)
"Third base" prospect is more like it. Back then we called him E5. He's been surprisingly good since his CIN days. When he was traded to TOR I thought that it was likely that he's continue his 330/460 ways for a few years, and then sputter out when he hits 30. Instead, he had a late peak.

Looking back at it, I don't think the Reds were wrong to start him at 3B. It's a mistake in retrospect, but he had acceptable range and his throwing problems seemed fixable. That said, it's not much of a stretch to assume that his defensive problems carried with him to the plate and prevented him from blossoming earlier. I also suspect that Dusty (who was hard on Encarnacion, IIRC, benching him for not hustling while not caring if veterans did the same thing) was not great for his development as a hitter. It took Encarnacion a while to adopt Toronto's pull-heavy philosophy, but once he did the power that was always there really developed.
   18. Davo cant be eatin thirty hot dogs every day Posted: June 12, 2019 at 04:48 PM (#5851211)
It’s like you’ve all already forgotten that Encarnacion played a game at second base this year!
   19. Khrushin it bro Posted: June 12, 2019 at 04:50 PM (#5851217)
The A's don't need him they have Khrush and Matt Olson.

EDIT: Or what #13 said.
   20. Walt Davis Posted: June 12, 2019 at 04:55 PM (#5851222)
On Yanks: Stanton, Judge, Voit, Frazier for 4 lineup spots plus leftover PT from Gardner/Hicks. With Didi back and the other 3 IFs all still hitting, they're somewhat squeezed for PT there too. And you probably still want Sanchez sliding over to DH a few times on days off.

Now if they don't get healthy, then they're an excellent fit for EE.

On the A's, I always forget Khris Davis is a DH. Agree there's no real fit there. On Tampa, they actually lead the AL in DH WAA at 1.1 and they are 4th (of a sorry lot) at 1B. Granted Choi or Meadows could slump badly in the 2nd half but that's true pretty much throughout their no-name lineup so I'd imagine they'll wait until something breaks before fixing it.
   21. It was something about the man-spider and sodomy, Posted: June 12, 2019 at 05:00 PM (#5851225)
On Yanks: Stanton, Judge, Voit, Frazier for 4 lineup spots plus leftover PT from Gardner/Hicks. With Didi back and the other 3 IFs all still hitting, they're somewhat squeezed for PT there too. And you probably still want Sanchez sliding over to DH a few times on days off.

Now if they don't get healthy, then they're an excellent fit for EE.


Judge and Stanton should be back within a week.
   22. John Northey Posted: June 12, 2019 at 09:38 PM (#5851272)
So if he gets to 500 and sneaks into the HOF does he go with a Jays cap (8 years, 239 HR)? I'd have to think so unless he has a killer finishing kick somewhere ala Nolan Ryan in Texas.
   23. Walt Davis Posted: June 13, 2019 at 02:37 AM (#5851303)
Judge and Stanton should be back within a week.

And for how long this time? :-)

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