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Saturday, July 28, 2012

Elbowed out? Carl Crawford medical drama takes another twist

Meanwhile, Crawford reiterated that renowned orthopedic surgeon Dr. James Andrews has told him he eventually will need Tommy John elbow surgery, and the left fielder strongly suggested that he undergo the procedure sooner rather than later to avoid missing a significant portion of next season.

“That would be the smart thing to do,” Crawford said. “The later I wait to get it done, the more time I’ll miss. You definitely want to try to take care of it as soon as possible. Like I say, we just have to wait and see. Right now, that’s why I tried to get back so quick and help the team. If we’re still in (the playoff race), I want to do that. If not, we probably have to look into (surgery).”

GM Ben Cherington has repeatedly stated the Red Sox disagree with the premise that surgery is an inevitability, noting that many position players (including Albert Pujols) have played for years at a high level with damaged ulnar collateral ligaments.

It’s hard to imagine any way that the Red Sox organization could be more dysfunctional.

Dan Posted: July 28, 2012 at 03:19 PM | 39 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: clownshow, injuries, red sox

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   1. Depressoteric Posted: July 28, 2012 at 07:45 PM (#4194764)
Which is worse and more irresponsible, the current Red Sox medical staff or the Pirates medical staff from the '00s?
   2. Jeff Francoeur's OPS Posted: July 28, 2012 at 07:46 PM (#4194766)
$142,000,000.00
   3. Brian White Posted: July 28, 2012 at 07:56 PM (#4194774)
Clownshow, indeed.
   4. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: July 28, 2012 at 08:05 PM (#4194783)
Remind me, does a left fielder use their arm more than a first baseman?
   5. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: July 28, 2012 at 08:15 PM (#4194790)
Dr. James Andrews has told him he eventually will need Tommy John elbow surgery


GM Ben Cherington has repeatedly stated the Red Sox disagree with the premise that surgery is an inevitability


Tough to decide who to depend on in this one.
   6. The District Attorney Posted: July 28, 2012 at 08:40 PM (#4194806)
Yeah, I'm really surprised Cherington would explicitly state that the team is ignoring a doctor's advice and asking a guy to play hurt. We know that happens, of course, but I'm not sure I've seen a front office admit to it before.

(And if a front office did do so, one would think it would be regarding a guy whom they didn't expect to retain much longer, not regarding one in the second year of a huge long-term contract.)
   7. Dale Sams Posted: July 28, 2012 at 08:50 PM (#4194814)
Curt Schilling would be laughing...if he wasn't broke.
   8. robinred Posted: July 28, 2012 at 09:00 PM (#4194831)
ignoring a doctor's advice


Also, Andrews is a very big name in the field. Strange move by Cherington.
   9. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: July 28, 2012 at 09:07 PM (#4194841)
Yeah, I'm really surprised Cherington would explicitly state that the team is ignoring a doctor's advice and asking a guy to play hurt. We know that happens, of course, but I'm not sure I've seen a front office admit to it before.
Well, I've heard it said before, but it is usually--I'm think of Gary Sheffield in 2004, although I think it has happened other times--in a case where the team says that playing through won't do any more harm.

It is a little unclear--at least to me--if Andrews is implying that about Crawford or what, but I guess we'll see in a couple of years (or months).
   10. Ryan Lind Posted: July 28, 2012 at 09:14 PM (#4194848)
Is there a reason why James Andrews is apparently the only doctor who can do Tommy John surgery? I get that he's good at what he does, or whatever, but his ubiquity seems strange to me.
   11. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: July 28, 2012 at 09:17 PM (#4194850)
I've had the same thought, Shock. I assume it's just a matter of deep-pocketed organizations being able to send their high-priced investments to the best in the business.

For example, the Mets send all their Tommy John cases to Dr. Nick Riviera.
   12. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: July 28, 2012 at 09:19 PM (#4194852)
I don't think disagreeing about whether someone will need an operation down the line is quite the same thing as admitting that you're asking a guy to play hurt. It doesn't seem that anyone is of the opinion that Crawford should definitely not be playing right now.
   13. rfloh Posted: July 28, 2012 at 09:20 PM (#4194855)
"Shock Posted: July 28, 2012 at 09:14 PM (#4194848)
Is there a reason why James Andrews is apparently the only doctor who can do Tommy John surgery? I get that he's good at what he does, or whatever, but his ubiquity seems strange to me.
"

He isn't the only one who does it. He is considered arguably the foremost medical expert on baseball pitching arm injuries. So it is hardly surprising that baseball players, being paid millions of dollars, would go to him if they blow out their UCLs. If you can afford it, why no go to the best?
   14. Depressoteric Posted: July 28, 2012 at 09:22 PM (#4194857)
"clownshow" is my favorite new Primer tag. It needs to be used more often. (Of course I would say that, being the guy who uses it the most.)
   15. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: July 28, 2012 at 09:29 PM (#4194863)
He isn't the only one who does it. He is considered arguably the foremost medical expert on baseball pitching arm injuries. So it is hardly surprising that baseball players, being paid millions of dollars, would go to him if they blow out their UCLs. If you can afford it, why no go to the best?
Andrews does a lot of them, but you also hear Lewis Yocum--who I believe is a Jobe protege and the Angels' team doctor doing the surgery (I think he did Strasburg's) and Tim Kremchek, the Reds' doctor, doing TJ surgeries sometimes.
   16. jobu Posted: July 28, 2012 at 11:31 PM (#4194938)
Tough to decide who to depend on in this one.

Baby Andrews needs a new pair of shoes!

Carl Crawford really was a wonderful player, not too long ago. There was really no one else active like him. You wondered if he might make a run at the single-season triples record. Not so much now...
   17. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: July 28, 2012 at 11:36 PM (#4194943)
If I'm Crawford, I'm having the surgery tomorrow. Why?

1) The team is not going to the playoffs this year - less than 1-in-5 chance, at this point, right?
2) Between Ellsbury, Sweeney, Ross, Nava, and Kalish, the team has enough guys who can play LF for the next 61 games that it's not the end of the world if Crawford is out for the season.
3) Is there any evidence that he's ready to play right now, anyway? It's a small sample size, but he's hitting .222/.263/.306 in 38 PAs, one walk, 10 Ks. Are we really losing out if he doesn't play right now?

Finally, it is pretty clear that this guy is not mentally comfortable playing right now. He has mentioned his elbow multiple times recently, and I think he is somebody who needs to feel he is healthy in order to play his best. He is obviously better than he's shown so in the last 1.5 years, but this situation is not helping. He doesn't think he is healthy, and his play will suffer for it.

I can't stand Crawford, and did not like the signing at the time...but I feel bad for him in this specific predicament.
   18. Ryan Lind Posted: July 29, 2012 at 12:18 AM (#4194967)
If he went and had surgery against the team's wishes, does that give the Red Sox cause to void his contract?

Perhaps that's their master plan, here.
   19. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: July 29, 2012 at 12:25 AM (#4194970)
Monday, Monday
   20. TerpNats Posted: July 29, 2012 at 01:37 AM (#4195006)
If he went and had surgery against the team's wishes, does that give the Red Sox cause to void his contract?

Perhaps that's their master plan, here.
I hope so, for his sake; he needs to escape the Bosox ASAP. I doubt he'll ever again be the player he was in Tampa Bay, but once he recovers physically, he needs to find an environment where he can recover psychologically. Some players simply aren't cut out to play in the Boston pressure cooker, and Crawford's obviously one of them.
   21. Boxkutter Posted: July 29, 2012 at 01:58 AM (#4195011)
Monday, Monday


Wrong thread, but still funny.
   22. villageidiom Posted: July 29, 2012 at 08:09 AM (#4195038)
If he went and had surgery against the team's wishes, does that give the Red Sox cause to void his contract?
If he keeps talking about needing surgery any minute now, does that keep other teams from trading for him?
   23. joeysdadjoe Posted: July 29, 2012 at 08:56 AM (#4195043)
For example, the Mets send all their Tommy John cases to Dr. Nick Riviera.

I thought the Mets had Tommy John doing Tommy John surgery?
   24. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: July 29, 2012 at 09:03 AM (#4195045)
No, you misunderstood... Mets pitchers go to Tommy Chong for their elbow surgeries.
   25. Rafael Bellylard: Built like a Panda. Posted: July 29, 2012 at 09:41 AM (#4195053)
No, you misunderstood... Mets pitchers go to Tommy Chong for their elbow surgeries.


Their elbows still hurt, but their glaucoma is MUCH better.
   26. Dale Sams Posted: July 29, 2012 at 10:25 AM (#4195073)
The team is not going to the playoffs this year - less than 1-in-5 chance, at this point, right?


Less than 1 in 20 in reality.
   27. Non-Youkilidian Geometry Posted: July 29, 2012 at 11:29 AM (#4195095)
Andrews does a lot of them, but you also hear Lewis Yocum--who I believe is a Jobe protege and the Angels' team doctor doing the surgery (I think he did Strasburg's) and Tim Kremchek, the Reds' doctor, doing TJ surgeries sometimes.

So does Neal ElAttrache, another Jobe clinic guy who I think is also the Dodgers team physician.
   28. PJ Martinez Posted: July 29, 2012 at 11:34 AM (#4195097)
I hope so, for his sake; he needs to escape the Bosox ASAP.

You hope, for his sake, that he bails on $142m? Somehow I don't think that would be in his self-interest.
   29. Bad Fish Posted: July 29, 2012 at 12:05 PM (#4195110)
GM Ben Cherington has repeatedly stated the Red Sox disagree with the premise that surgery is an inevitability

In all fairness, Cherington might be spending a lot of time in a Holiday Inn Express.
   30. They paved Misirlou, put up a parking lot Posted: July 29, 2012 at 12:09 PM (#4195111)
The team is not going to the playoffs this year - less than 1-in-5 chance, at this point, right?



Less than 1 in 20 in reality.


It's over.
   31. They paved Misirlou, put up a parking lot Posted: July 29, 2012 at 12:14 PM (#4195113)
For example, the Mets send all their Tommy John cases to Dr. Nick Riviera.


And they send all their dental cases to Dr. Nick Offerman
   32. greenback calls it soccer Posted: July 29, 2012 at 12:29 PM (#4195121)
It's over.

That only works when RDP does it. And he has to mean it -- none of this fake reverse-jinx stuff.
   33. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: July 29, 2012 at 04:56 PM (#4195263)
And now Valetine has said he expressly went against management and played Crawford in 6 straight games when Valentine was told not to use him in more than 4 straight.

I am not normally in favor of firing a manager so soon into his tenure, but damn Valentine does and says some stupid ####.
   34. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 29, 2012 at 05:30 PM (#4195288)
And now Valetine has said he expressly went against management and played Crawford in 6 straight games when Valentine was told not to use him in more than 4 straight.


I find this comment extremely shocking, as it indicates that Carl Crawford has been playing in the majors this year. I thought he was halfway through a 36-month DL stint.
   35. Walt Davis Posted: July 29, 2012 at 06:09 PM (#4195338)
If he keeps talking about needing surgery any minute now, does that keep other teams from trading for him?

Ummmm....
   36. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: July 29, 2012 at 06:42 PM (#4195387)
Can we just replace every body part on Crawford at once, just get it over with?
   37. Koot Posted: July 29, 2012 at 06:50 PM (#4195394)
This is embarrassing. Has there been a team this dysfunctional in recent history? If he's in the second year of a seven year deal, and he'll eventually need surgery, why would a team who, at best, has an outside shot at the second wild card spot keep running him out there? Especially seeing he's probably going to play marginally better than whoever they would likely put out there in his place (Nava/Ross/Sweeney)? Are they worried about their BS sell out streak? That some fans might jump off the bandwagon?
   38. God Posted: July 29, 2012 at 08:26 PM (#4195474)
So does Neal ElAttrache, another Jobe clinic guy who I think is also the Dodgers team physician.


When considering Tommy John surgery, always use the guy whose surname is an anagram for "reattach."
   39. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: July 29, 2012 at 11:01 PM (#4195536)
The team is not going to the playoffs this year - less than 1-in-5 chance, at this point, right

Less than 1 in 20 in reality.

It's over.

This is all irrelevant anyway. Even if the Sox manage to squeeze their way into the wild card...and win it...they still won't do anything in the playoffs. They don't have 3 consistently decent starting pitchers.

The surgery should be proceeding on Monday, 30th July 2012..preferably early in the morning. This can't be done soon enough.

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