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Monday, August 01, 2011

Elliott: Robbie Alomar flip a game-changer

This can’t be true. I seem to remember Rich McKinney attempting this once…and ending up in the weeds.

“I was thinking the other day about changes I’d seen in the game since I started playing,” Mike Flanagan said. “The only one I can think of was brought in by Robbie Alomar.

“On a ground ball up the middle, how he’d field the ball and do a back-hand flip to the shortstop on a double play grounder.”

Alomar was the first Flanagan ever saw make the play and without breaking stride, use his glove to flip towards second. “Before Robbie Alomar, second baseman were taught to stop, pivot and throw,” Flanagan said. “Most do it now ... or try to do it.”

Like Bobby Orr changing the way the defensive position was played.

Flanagan saying it was the first major change in the game covers come ground. He was first drafted in 1971.

“The split finger? Elroy Face had that pitch in the 1960s. Robbie is the only person I’ve seen do anything different others have picked up,” Flanagan said.

Repoz Posted: August 01, 2011 at 11:40 AM | 15 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. whoisalhedges Posted: August 01, 2011 at 01:33 PM (#3890160)
I'm sure it had been done before in moments of sheer desperation, when that was the only way to make the play. And when that's how it happens today, it's a thing of beauty.

But no, what Robbie did is the backhand glove flip in the era of Web Gems and endless TV/internet replays. These days, I'd wager most of them are completely unnecessary showboating; instances when the proper pivot and toss would be perfectly fine to turn the DP, and much less likely to result in the ball being tossed into left field.

When a 2B (or SS going into the 2B hole) HAS to make that play and DOES make that play, it's great. I don't want my fielders showing off for the cameras, though. Especially since, as a Brewers fan, my fielders are kinda shitty anyway.
   2. Mash Wilson Posted: August 01, 2011 at 01:45 PM (#3890171)
OK, OK, dude, I'll get off your lawn.
   3. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: August 01, 2011 at 02:04 PM (#3890186)
“The split finger? Elroy Face had that pitch in the 1960s

sorry--Face threw a slow forkball, not the splitter that's thrown today
   4. Mike Webber Posted: August 01, 2011 at 02:28 PM (#3890205)
How about weight training? Sure someone, some when, lifted a few weights. But that is a major change in the game.

In fact just to start a pissing match, I'll say that is the biggest change in the game between 1971 and now.
   5. SoSH U at work Posted: August 01, 2011 at 03:09 PM (#3890242)
“I was thinking the other day about changes I’d seen in the game since I started playing,” Mike Flanagan said. “The only one I can think of was brought in by Robbie Alomar.


A few bigger changes to the game since Flanagan started playing (or thereabouts) than Robbie Alomar's flip. Some of which may have already been phased out.

Interior chest protector for umpires.
Body armor.
Bounce throw off artificial turf.
Almost exclusive use of the stretch by relief pitchers.
Multiple relief pitchers with specific roles.
   6. cardsfanboy Posted: August 01, 2011 at 03:28 PM (#3890259)
I'm fairly certain a similar play was done in the opening credits of Happy Days.
   7. grumpyyankee Posted: August 01, 2011 at 03:47 PM (#3890273)
There is zero chance Alomar developed this. None. It was the standard method for turns closer to the bag when I was in college, mid-to-late 80's. And if we were doing it, it couldn't have been that new. Basically the 2B was taught 2 methods, one where the right foot drops back as the ball is fielded allowing the hips and shoulders to face the bag for a good throw, or the backhand flip when either the momentum was toward the bag and/or the distance was 15 feet or so and less.
   8. Random Transaction Generator Posted: August 01, 2011 at 04:14 PM (#3890298)
Charlie O'Brien helped develop/popularize the hockey-mask-style face guard for catchers.
Naturally, he came up with the idea while playing for Toronto.
   9. OsunaSakata Posted: August 01, 2011 at 07:31 PM (#3890478)
Bounce throw off artificial turf.


I thought Brooks and Concepcion were doing this in the 1970 World Series.
   10. Greg K Posted: August 01, 2011 at 08:00 PM (#3890503)

I thought Brooks and Concepcion were doing this in the 1970 World Series.

Pft. I'm pretty sure Robinson just didn't have the arm to get it to first.
   11. Cuban X Senators Posted: August 02, 2011 at 03:26 AM (#3890863)
interior chest protector

Jocko-no-agree-I-say
   12. Cuban X Senators Posted: August 02, 2011 at 03:30 AM (#3890867)
Doble
   13. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: August 02, 2011 at 04:17 AM (#3890902)
I thought Brooks and Concepcion were doing this in the 1970 World Series.


I said thereabouts, since I didn't know the exact date it got popularized (or care that much to look up the exact date of Flanagan's debut).
   14. Don Lock Posted: August 02, 2011 at 04:06 PM (#3891154)
Split finger? How about Alomar as the first "spit flinger"?
   15. PreservedFish Posted: August 02, 2011 at 05:19 PM (#3891215)
Friends, I just had The Life and Times of Hank Greenberg on, and they showed Charlie Gehringer doing the backhanded flip.

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