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Tuesday, December 03, 2013

Ellsbury getting close to a seven-year deal with the Yankees - CBSSports.com

Hmm.

Jim Furtado Posted: December 03, 2013 at 09:25 PM | 131 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: December 03, 2013 at 09:30 PM (#4610048)
Johnny Damon Part II
   2. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: December 03, 2013 at 09:33 PM (#4610049)
So that would mean bye bye cano, right?
   3. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: December 03, 2013 at 09:33 PM (#4610050)
NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO
   4. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: December 03, 2013 at 09:37 PM (#4610053)
Blargh.
   5. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: December 03, 2013 at 09:38 PM (#4610054)
Lol, I guess the luxury tax thing was a ploy after all.
   6. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: December 03, 2013 at 09:39 PM (#4610057)
From RAB:

8:28pm: It’s a done deal according to Mark Feinsand. No word on the exact terms but it is larger than Crawford’s contract. The contract is pending a physical.
   7. Textbook Editor Posted: December 03, 2013 at 09:41 PM (#4610059)
So that would mean bye bye cano, right?


Not necessarily. Perhaps it means not Kuroda redux for 2014, or they're banking on the A-Rod suspension going through/getting free of that salary.

Eh, I always sort of figured this would happen. And it's Heyman reporting/puppeting Boras's words here, so it's a solid "source." I'm sure the short right field porch will goose his power #'s back up a bit, but 7 years is a looong time for a guy who might not have the bat to play anywhere other than CF (and certainly not the arm to play RF).

Of course, leaking this could get Cano to snap out of it and take the offer the Yankees have on the table (if it's still there)... Not sure what happens if Cano calls Cashman tonight and says he'll take the deal.

You keep signing those long-term deals, Cashman. We'll see where things stand 5 years from now.
   8. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: December 03, 2013 at 09:41 PM (#4610060)
It is believed the deal would exceeed Carl Crawford's $142-million, seven-year deal. One estimate has the deal at about $150 million.


As a Red Sox fan I say let the JBJ era begin!
   9. zonk Posted: December 03, 2013 at 09:41 PM (#4610061)
I like Ellsbury, but man... something like 7/150 for a guy that's only managed to do 150+ games twice?

That would concern me greatly. I mean - the dude has had one truly great season... but he's gonna be 30, has had issues staying healthy, and while everyone seems bound determined to believe with absolute certainty that his 2011 is his true talent level... what if that's just an enormous outlier?
   10. bobm Posted: December 03, 2013 at 09:42 PM (#4610062)
FTFA:

Jon Heyman
Baseball Insider [...]

The longtime Red Sox leadoff man is said to be about to choose the Yankees over his longtime Red Sox team and several other teams. It appears the sides may be finalizing things.

"It could happen," said someone familiar with the talks.

Neither the Yankees nor agent Scott Boras immeditaely [sic] confirmed a deal had been struck, but indications are very strong it';s [sic] headed that way.

The Yankees have been in simultaneous talks with Shin-Soo Choo, Carlos Beltran, and many other top free agents, including their own Robinson Cano. Things haven't been progressing with Cano, as the Yankees don;t want to go much beyond $170 million over seven years, with Cano looking for $260 million at the moment.

Sources didn't rule out the Yankees continuing purusit [sic] of Choo or Beltran, but it would seem that the need would be elsewhere assuming the Ellsbury deal goes through. [Emphasis added]


Scott Boras: please spell-check your press releases before you have Jon Heyman publish them.

EDIT: Coke Zero to Textbook Editor
   11. zonk Posted: December 03, 2013 at 09:45 PM (#4610065)

You keep signing those long-term deals, Cashman. We'll see where things stand 5 years from now.


5 years... heck... McCann's got a ton of mileage on him - it's entirely possible this past year was more a swan song/60 degree day in late autumn than a bounceback.

I think I'd much, much rather have Salty and the deal he just signed than McCann and the numbers behind that.

I don't want to jinx it by stating it but I really am starting to get a strong 1980s era Yankees vibe the Bronx boys right about now....
   12. James Newburg is in awe of Cespedes' CORE STRENGTH Posted: December 03, 2013 at 09:45 PM (#4610066)
7 years/$153MM, per Mark Feinsand.
   13. The District Attorney Posted: December 03, 2013 at 09:48 PM (#4610069)
So do you trade Gardner?
   14. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: December 03, 2013 at 09:49 PM (#4610070)
If true, it's just funny. Truly. 7 / 150? But as much as I want to, I can't blame Jacoby. That's a lot a dough. But he'll never win another ring in New York. His rings will always have a B on 'em.
   15. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: December 03, 2013 at 09:50 PM (#4610071)
Good to have the early 2000s Yankees back. I'd been getting worried for a couple years there.
   16. J. Sosa Posted: December 03, 2013 at 09:53 PM (#4610073)
I thought he would get 7-150. Just not from the Yankees. I'm not gonna lie. This one hurts, 7-150 notwithstanding.

Edit to add:

Lose Jacoby and pick up AJ Pierogi. Yay?
   17. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: December 03, 2013 at 09:54 PM (#4610074)
I like Ellsbury a lot and I think he can be a consistently good player when not injured(3-4WAR). I would've been happy with the Sox giving him 5/110 or something, but even at that I thought the 5th year would be a lost cause.

7/153...wow, that's going to be painful for the final 24 months.
   18. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: December 03, 2013 at 09:55 PM (#4610075)
#### fuck #### fuck

I like Ellsbury and I wanted him to stay with the Sox. Rationally I understand it would probably be an overpay to keep him, but damnit I like him on the team. Now I have to hope he gets hurt constantly. And the first few times he destroys the old man catchers and Lester & Buchholz with about 18 steals in 2 games I am going to calmly throw my beer at the wall and go outside.

edit:

Interesting nanny we've got here. All four words are the same with no coding or anything like Andy pulls to get around it.
   19. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: December 03, 2013 at 09:55 PM (#4610076)
   20. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: December 03, 2013 at 09:56 PM (#4610078)
#### shit #### shit

just a test

ETA:

HAH! I'd love to see how that code is written.
   21. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: December 03, 2013 at 09:58 PM (#4610081)
I like Ellsbury and I wanted him to stay with the Sox. Rationally I understand it would probably be an overpay to keep him, but damnit I like him on the team. Now I have to hope he gets hurt constantly.


Behold the spiteful mind of a loser. Maybe you'll get especially lucky and he'll be crippled in the offseason!
   22. Textbook Editor Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:00 PM (#4610082)
No way in hell I wanted Boston signing Ellsbury to anything close to this deal, so I'm fine with losing him.

Frankly, I think the glow of a WS win is the perfect time to start playing kids like JBJ and Bogaerts, etc. I think one overlooked aspect of the run they had last year was how fans seemed genuinely into watching the minor league guys come in and perform... I think JBJ and Bogaerts are going to have very long leashes with the fans, and that's perfect.
   23. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:02 PM (#4610086)
Behold the spiteful mind of a loser. Maybe you'll get especially lucky and he'll be crippled in the offseason!


#### off.
   24. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:06 PM (#4610088)
#### off.


Or else what, chumpy? You gonna wish I get hit by a bus 'cuz you don't like me no more?
   25. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:09 PM (#4610090)
Or else what, chumpy? You gonna wish I get hit by a bus 'cuz you don't like me no more?


Umm, no, I am not Sam. No neck slashing or dieing in a fire either. You made a dick comment and you know it. I would prefer not to see someone I very much enjoyed watching on the team I dislike the most. How is that in any way a bad thing to say? Sports is all about irrational thought, that's what makes it fun.
   26. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:12 PM (#4610091)
Yeah, *I* made the dick comment, not the putz (that's you, you're the putz) wishing more injuries on an already off-injured athlete because he had the audacity to want to make money. Loser, loser, loser.
   27. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:13 PM (#4610092)
He makes the money either way. But whatever, I am out, you win.
   28. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:16 PM (#4610095)
Sigh.

You know, the thing I've always loved about BTF is how it's not like every other message board on the internet.....
   29. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:17 PM (#4610096)
The Sox need a RHB CF to platoon with JBJ, like a Victorino clone. Also, I think this is a good move by the Yankees, this basically forces Cano's hand, take it or leave it.

Can somebody explain to me how the draft pick sitatuion works?
   30. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:17 PM (#4610097)
Jacksone,

You shouldn't stress it. It's like dating a beautiful woman. The Sox got to date her just out of uni. She's fun, great in bed, firm body, no demands, enjoys her independence. Now NY has her. She's had a few kids, saggy body, doesn't like sex anymore, still ok looking but really got used to that flashy lifestyle the Sox gave her and now she wants the payoff.
   31. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:17 PM (#4610098)
You know, the thing I've always loved about BTF is how it's not like every other message board on the internet.....


Sorry.
   32. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:19 PM (#4610099)
The Sox need a RHB CF to platoon with JBJ, like a Victorino clone


You mean like Carlos Beltran?
   33. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:21 PM (#4610101)
Here comes that insane partisan switcheroo, with Yankee fans calling him the next Iron Man and Red Sox fans calling him injury-prone.
   34. The Yankee Clapper Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:21 PM (#4610102)
Wishing Ellsbury the best of health - there's a little more padding on the Yankee Stadium walls, perhaps that'll make a difference. I'd prefer Cano if it came down to a choice, hopefully it doesn't.
   35. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:23 PM (#4610105)
Giants, Nets, Rutgers, Yankees....could my sports fandom life get ANY worse? #### this ####. This is ####### RIDICULOUS!!! AROD MONEY FOR JACOBY ####### ELLSBURY/1/1
   36. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:24 PM (#4610109)
Here comes that insane partisan switcheroo, with Yankee fans calling him the next Iron Man and Red Sox fans calling him injury-prone.

I'm somewhat irrationally high on Ellsbury. The Yankees will be very happy for the next few years and they probably won't give a #### about the bad money the last few years of that contract.
   37. Sonic Youk Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:31 PM (#4610110)
If this means they're ditching the 189 plan, I could see them spending enough to get back into contention for a few years.

But if they're doing this in lieu of Cano and other improvements, there isn't enough popcorn for this implosion.
   38. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:31 PM (#4610111)
And, bucking the trend here, I'm very low on him. But I'll tell you what - when he was going well (or even just OK), I hated, hated, hated to see him leading off an inning against my team.
   39. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:35 PM (#4610113)
Someone mentioned in the other thread that as the Yankees give out big-money, too-long contracts often, they have big, dead money coming off the payroll just about every year. An interesting way to look at it.
   40. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:36 PM (#4610114)
what if that's just an enormous outlier?


As in, "Yay! We just signed a slight better version of Darin Erstad ... for 7 years?"

Yeah, that wouldn't be so hot ...
   41. puck Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:37 PM (#4610115)
So do you trade Gardner?

Maybe they'll re-sign Granderson and have a 3 CF outfield.
   42. Textbook Editor Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:38 PM (#4610116)
You mean like Carlos Beltran?


Beltran in CF or RF in Fenway for anything close to 81 games would be... interesting to watch at this point. For fans of opposing teams.

   43. Lassus Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:39 PM (#4610117)
I know everyone thinks they have the hipster Primate inside track on Heyman, but what is he supposed to do, NOT report on deals made by the biggest baseball sports agent in the business? Jesus.


Beltran in CF or RF in Fenway for anything close to 81 games would be... interesting to watch at this point. For fans of opposing teams.

Beltran may be old and in his easily identifiable decline phase, but people continually pegging him defensively as some kind of Duda/Murphy OF hybrid out there is a pretty tiresome oversell, IMO.
   44. Guapo Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:39 PM (#4610118)
I like the signing, but I'm disappointed that Jacoby Ellsbury no longer enjoys having sex.
   45. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:40 PM (#4610119)
Maybe they'll re-sign Granderson and have a 3 CF outfield.


As opposed to the latter Bernie Williams years, in which they had zero CFs in the outfield.
   46. jdennis Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:40 PM (#4610120)
so ellsbury to the Yankees, cano to the mariners, beltran to the royals and choo to the tigers.

meanwhile salty to the fish, morneau to the rockies, fowler traded.

man, so eventful today. and the winter meetings ain't even started.
   47. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:40 PM (#4610121)
Even better (no details yet on who holds the option):


Ellsbury's Yankees deal is seven years and $153 million. There is also an eighth year option that could raise the total value to $169M.


Brian Hoch
   48. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:42 PM (#4610122)
If both Gardner and Ellsbury are healthy on Opening Day, I wonder who plays CF? I have to think that it's Gardner's job.
   49. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:44 PM (#4610123)
Rutgers


UConn beat them. Talk about your stoppable force meeting your movable object. I expected this and mentally prepared for the JBJ era. Godspeed, Jacoby. I thank you for your 2010 steal of home against your new teammates. It was one of the highlights of that season.
   50. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:44 PM (#4610124)
So Ellsbury, Tex and McCann will be Dodgers by 2016?
   51. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:48 PM (#4610127)
If both Gardner and Ellsbury are healthy on Opening Day, I wonder who plays CF? I have to think that it's Gardner's job.


If Ellsbury doesn't start the season in CF then as long as Gardner is on the team he will never routinely play CF. Conversely, I could see Gardner going back to LF and then taking over CF if need be.
   52. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:49 PM (#4610128)
cano to the mariners


Peter Abraham: "Yankees will end up with Cano. You don't sign with Jay-Z to go play in Seattle and endorse raincoats."
   53. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:50 PM (#4610130)
Do you think the Yanks could get Jordan Lyles for Brett Gardner now?
   54. Fancy Pants Handle doesn't need no water Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:52 PM (#4610132)
I know everyone thinks they have the hipster Primate inside track on Heyman, but what is he supposed to do, NOT report on deals made by the biggest baseball sports agent in the business? Jesus.

It's not the breaking news stories that people object to. It's the endless string of puff pieces for Boras clients, and acting as Boras' mouthpiece on "sources" that people find objectionable.
   55. Fancy Pants Handle doesn't need no water Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:52 PM (#4610133)
Is this a rare deal that both Yankee and Red Sox fans hate?
   56. The District Attorney Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:52 PM (#4610134)
Peter Abraham: "Yankees will end up with Cano. You don't sign with Jay-Z to go play in Seattle and endorse raincoats."
I dunno, I heard Jay-Z on this song about an umbrella, brella, brella, ay, ay, ay. It sounded like he liked them...

You may need to trade Gardner for a second baseman ;-)
   57. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:53 PM (#4610135)
That's a pretty good Pete Abe quote.

Also, I heard that the Yankees just signed Mike Lowell specifically to piss off my friend, who loves Lowell and then Smellsbury way too much and way too intensely for my comfort.
   58. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:55 PM (#4610137)
Is this a rare deal that both Yankee and Red Sox fans hate?


I'm a Yanks fan and I like this deal but that's because I like Ellsbury as a player a lot and think he'll do well at Yankee stadium. Also, it seems to preclude from going from overpaying Beltran.
   59. Dale Sams Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:55 PM (#4610138)
Also, I heard that the Yankees just signed Mike Lowell


I read that as Napoli and laughed a little.
   60. Fat Al Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:03 PM (#4610140)
Count me as a Yankees fan who hates this deal. Unnecessary. Risky. Far too long. 5 years I could've stomached, but even that would've seemed silly (like McCann). There's no f'ing way they needed to offer this kind of deal to get him, even if they really want him, and I frankly don't even really understand why they do.
   61. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:03 PM (#4610141)
Johnny Damon Part II


I'm still trying to figure out if this is a burn. I think Damon was a very good player for the Yankees; he had some very good years in NY. I'd be pretty happy if Smells ages like Damon.
   62. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:04 PM (#4610142)
Behold the spiteful mind of a loser.


Behold the rationalizations of a guy whose favorite team just gave out the stupidest contract since Darren Dreifort.

Peter Abraham: "Yankees will end up with Cano. You don't sign with Jay-Z to go play in Seattle and endorse raincoats."


And Abraham can suck a fart out of my ass.
   63. Textbook Editor Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:04 PM (#4610143)
Ellsbury's Yankees deal is seven years and $153 million. There is also an eighth year option that could raise the total value to $169M.


Well, this makes me even more glad the Red Sox let him go, especially if this winds up being a player option.
   64. Lassus Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:06 PM (#4610144)
Is this going to be a deal that a majority of Yankees fans AND Red Sox fans hate? If so, count me as fully in favor.
   65. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:09 PM (#4610146)
lassus

carlos beltran is not the guy you remember

unless 2013 was some huge secret injury plagued season that severely limited his range the man's ability to be a passable defender is gone

not trying to be mean

just sharing what was very obvious if you watched him for more than 10 games
   66. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:10 PM (#4610147)
Wallace Matthews (ESPN) throws out his ideas on next year's OF alignment!


Who will play where? The guess is Ellsbury gets center field and Gardner moves to right, with Alfonso Soriano staying in left. It's a simple matter of numbers, the ones on the field -- Ellsbury has played nearly 90 percent of his 705 big league games in center and just 36 in right; Gardner has never played right but has played more than 300 games in left and is a good enough athlete to make the switch -- and the ones on the paycheck. You don't pay a guy $20-plus million and switch his position, unless he's Alex Rodriguez.


Brilliant!
   67. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:12 PM (#4610148)
Here comes that insane partisan switcheroo, with Yankee fans calling him the next Iron Man and Red Sox fans calling him injury-prone.


I'm somewhat irrationally high on Ellsbury. The Yankees will be very happy for the next few years and they probably won't give a #### about the bad money the last few years of that contract.

I guess I'm glad to get Ellsbury, but even he stays healthy and if Cano re-ups that still leaves three or four positions and most of the starting rotation mired in mediocrity or counting on old guys to stay injury-free. I hate to see what that rotation is going to wind up looking like.
   68. Lassus Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:12 PM (#4610149)
Has the O's offer come out?


carlos beltran is not the guy you remember

I agree 120%.


unless 2013 was some huge secret injury plagued season that severely limited his range the man's ability to be a passable defender is gone

I watched NL ball this year, I saw Beltran play. I simply cannot agree that he's not a passable defender. He's not great. He might not even be average. Not passable? Didn't see that, I guess. Perhaps I'm wrong.
   69. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:13 PM (#4610150)
Behold the spiteful mind of a loser.

Behold the rationalizations of a guy whose favorite team just gave out the stupidest contract since Darren Dreifort.


Ninja please, I hate this signing but it isn't even the worst Yankee signing since Dreifort. I'd make this deal 10 times before another Kei Igawa. You wanna take any bets to see if Ellsbury puts up more WAR in pinstripes than Carl Pavano? How many years of plummeting value has the Rodriguez contract gotten up to so far?

Geez man, try following the game sometime.
   70. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:15 PM (#4610151)
I guess I'm glad to get Ellsbury, but even he stays healthy and if Cano re-ups that still leaves three or four positions and most of the starting rotation mired in mediocrity. I hate to see what that rotation is going to wind up looking like.


Yanks are going to get Brett Anderson next week for Gardner is my prediction. Boom! CC, Anderson, Nova and a Japanese pitcher or two and you got a staff!
   71. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:15 PM (#4610152)
How many guys play 20 seasons for one franchise anymore?
   72. villageidiom Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:20 PM (#4610155)
Can somebody explain to me how the draft pick sitatuion works?
Yankees, with the signing of McCann and Ellsbury, have lost their first and second round picks in the 2014 draft. They haven't lost them to anyone; the picks are forfeited. Boston and Atlanta get compensatory picks at the end of the first round, with Atlanta going first because they had a worse record in 2013.

In a sense, the Yankees have traded up in draft picks with the Ellsbury signing. They lose their second-round pick, but by eliminating the need to re-sign Granderson they will gain a compensatory pick at the end of the first round when someone else signs him. (This "trading up" is only true because they had already forfeited their first-round pick in the McCann signing; otherwise they would have been trading down.)
   73. Tim D Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:22 PM (#4610156)
If I am Robinson Cano with 45 WAR and the Yanks just guaranteed $153M to a 21 WAR Jacoby Ellsbury, there is no flipping way I take what the Yanks are offering. Stick your luxury tax, you aren't getting me for less than $220M, or more. If not the Yanks then the Dodgers or the Angels.
   74. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:25 PM (#4610158)
How many guys play 20 seasons for one franchise anymore?


Only 17 ever have. Nine of them played at least part of their career in the FA era (though one, Brooksy, barely made it there).

The first to do so retired in 1927. The most recent one retired all the way back in 2007.

   75. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:25 PM (#4610159)
How many guys play 20 seasons for one franchise anymore?


Rivera made it 19, Jeter is about to make 20. Helton was what, 17? Did Biggio get 20?
   76. BourbonSamurai Is a Lazy Nogoodnik Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:27 PM (#4610161)
Wow, that seems craaazy for Ellsbury.
Is suzuki still a yankee next year? is he a 4th outfielder now?
   77. Fancy Pants Handle doesn't need no water Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:31 PM (#4610166)
Is this going to be a deal that a majority of Yankees fans AND Red Sox fans hate? If so, count me as fully in favor.

I don't know, but I do know that this is a deal that got me a refreshing cold coke.
   78. Bob Tufts Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:39 PM (#4610174)
Ellsbury's stats at YS III:

161 AB's, 4 HR's, .285/.352/ .431
   79. Greg K Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:45 PM (#4610179)
Rivera made it 19, Jeter is about to make 20. Helton was what, 17? Did Biggio get 20?

Chipper got 19.

EDIT: Daric Barton is the longest tenured Athletic I think, so maybe the next one will be him.
   80. spike Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:47 PM (#4610184)
Chipper had 19.

/oops.
   81. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:48 PM (#4610185)
Chipper got 19 with the Braves. Would have been 20 if he hadn't missed 1994.

Edit: Cokes all around!
   82. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:50 PM (#4610190)
1) Do we all think Cano is a better player than Ellsbury? (I do.)

2) Do we all think there is no way Cano would sign for less than Ellsbury (I say, no way.)

3) Ellsbury is getting 7 x $22 million.

4) Either Cano gets more than $22/yr., or more years, or he goes out west, right?

P.S. Dustin Pedroia just signed an 8/$110m extension. Is Cano worth twice as much per season for the next eight years? Actually, if you had to pick one contract, which would you select (as a GM):

Pedroia: 8 yrs, $110m
Ellsbury: 7 yrs, $153m
Cano: 8 yrs, $200m
   83. villageidiom Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:51 PM (#4610191)
What about Chipper? Does anyone know how long he was with the Braves?
   84. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:53 PM (#4610193)
Cano will end up signing with the Yankees for right around 8/190.
   85. Greg K Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:53 PM (#4610194)
Other notables, Jimmy Rollins coming up on 15, doubtful his career lasts long enough to hit 20.

Tulowitzki is signed for 16, Votto 17, Mauer 15, Longoria 15, Braun 14 with an option, Andrus 14, Molina 14, Posey 13, we'll see how those turn out.

Cano is technically still a possibility!

David Wright and Ryan Zimmerman are possibilities...if their bodies hold up 20 years. Mike Trout or Bryce Harper if you're playing the long game.
   86. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:59 PM (#4610202)
What about Chipper? Does anyone know how long he was with the Braves?


You know sarcasm is the blah, blah, blah of wit...Oh nevermind, it still made me laugh.
   87. Heinie Mantush (Krusty) Posted: December 04, 2013 at 12:09 AM (#4610210)
I think this is a little like Steve Nash to the suns in 04. Bill Simmons had a great line on it. You're paying 60M for a 40M yacht. Yeah, it's an overpay, but you're still getting a a 40M yacht.

Ellsbury is being overpaid for sure, but it adds to the Yankees while subtracting from Boston. Ellsbury and McCann are both tailor made for YS3. I expect big production.

The real question is what this means for Cano. I think I might prefer Cano at 7/175 or even 8/200 to Ellsbury and whatever the leftover dollars are applied to.
   88. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: December 04, 2013 at 12:10 AM (#4610211)
If Harper does develop further into a superstar, I can't imagine he'll stay with the Nationals once his free agency comes up. If he stays healthy and rakes for the next four(?) years he's going to be gunning for a $350 million megacontract, and just may get it.

And if he doesn't develop into a superstar then he probably won't pay 20 years for the same team in any case.

The same is true of Trout, I suppose, but perhaps slightly less so inasmuch as he's not a Boras guy.
   89. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: December 04, 2013 at 12:10 AM (#4610212)
I think you clearly pick Pedroia, #82. That's a great contract for the Red Sox.

This is above what I'd pay for Ellsbury, and I'm crazy high on him. I wanted him back on the Sox for anything up to Crawford money. I think the Yankees are going to get a 5+ WAR talent for 3-4 years, and if he avoids major injury the contract will be perfectly decent. I hope you guys enjoy him, he was one of my favorites and I'm really sad to see him go.

Someone mentioned in the other thread that as the Yankees give out big-money, too-long contracts often, they have big, dead money coming off the payroll just about every year. An interesting way to look at it.


Hey, that was me! I do think it's true, once you have all the big contracts you do end with a lot of money coming off the books all the time.

Lastly, you could have a Beltran/Victorino/JBJ three headed monster on the Sox for CF/RF. Beltran is a below average defender, but he still can hit.
   90. madvillain Posted: December 04, 2013 at 12:21 AM (#4610216)
If I am Robinson Cano with 45 WAR and the Yanks just guaranteed $153M to a 21 WAR Jacoby Ellsbury, there is no flipping way I take what the Yanks are offering. Stick your luxury tax, you aren't getting me for less than $220M, or more. If not the Yanks then the Dodgers or the Angels.


indeed.
   91. RollingWave Posted: December 04, 2013 at 12:37 AM (#4610222)
I think Nomaas.org would shut down if this happens.
   92. Phil Coorey is a T-Shirt Salesman Posted: December 04, 2013 at 12:48 AM (#4610231)
We can all agree that he is working out better than Grady Sizemore, right??

So long Ellsbury, loved watching you play , was in America the day you got drafted and remember every step to free agency.

Would be great to see him play well and the Yankees crash for obvious reasons, he's bloody great.
   93. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: December 04, 2013 at 01:08 AM (#4610241)
If not the Yanks then the Dodgers or the Angels.


You have to wonder if the Angels, at least, might be a little gun-shy after the Pujols disaster and Hamilton's middling first season.
   94. JE (Jason Epstein) Posted: December 04, 2013 at 01:14 AM (#4610243)
f I am Robinson Cano with 45 WAR and the Yanks just guaranteed $153M to a 21 WAR Jacoby Ellsbury, there is no flipping way I take what the Yanks are offering. Stick your luxury tax, you aren't getting me for less than $220M, or more. If not the Yanks then the Dodgers or the Angels.

indeed.

Totally. I would think this 7/$153M (or 8/$169M) contract makes it less likely that he returns to the Yanks, unless it's for $220M or above.
   95. Ray (RDP) Posted: December 04, 2013 at 01:51 AM (#4610251)
It's a ton of money, but aren't we finding out from these deals that there's always a bigger fool? Texas acquired Fielder's contract, the Dodgers traded for Crawford and Gonzalez... hell, didn't the Blue Jays manage to get California to take Wells's contract?
   96. Fancy Pants Handle doesn't need no water Posted: December 04, 2013 at 02:04 AM (#4610255)
I think this is a little like Steve Nash to the suns in 04. Bill Simmons had a great line on it. You're paying 60M for a 40M yacht. Yeah, it's an overpay, but you're still getting a a 40M yacht.

And then you realize you are in the Arizona desert with a yacht...
   97. HOLLA(R) Posted: December 04, 2013 at 02:10 AM (#4610256)
Is this going to be a deal that a majority of Yankees fans AND Red Sox fans hate? If so, count me as fully in favor.


As a (less than frequent) Red Sox fan in these parts, I am perfectly fine with this contract. The injury risk going forward seven years is rather scary.
   98. Lars6788 Posted: December 04, 2013 at 02:24 AM (#4610260)
You have to wonder if the Angels, at least, might be a little gun-shy after the Pujols disaster and Hamilton's middling first season.


As an Angels fan:
I think Moreno would still be thinking the past two years have been flukes and if Pujols, Hamilton and Cano can have their typical seasons, there is no reason why the Angels don't win at least on paper, at least with marquee players.



   99. The Yankee Clapper Posted: December 04, 2013 at 02:34 AM (#4610262)
I would think this 7/$153M (or 8/$169M) contract makes it less likely that he returns to the Yanks, unless it's for $220M or above.

Cano deserves more, and will get it, but the Yankees may well be the high bidder at less than $220M. Not really clear yet that any team is actually interested in outbidding the Yankees, rather than just getting credit for "trying" to improve their team.
   100. Dan Posted: December 04, 2013 at 02:44 AM (#4610263)
David Wright and Ryan Zimmerman are possibilities...if their bodies hold up 20 years. Mike Trout or Bryce Harper if you're playing the long game.


Trout and Harper are fools if they sign anything before free agency after seeing Ellsbury get $153M.
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