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Monday, April 29, 2019

Elvis Luciano becomes youngest pitcher in Blue Jays history to record win

Vladimir Guerrero Jr. is deservedly getting all the hype for the Toronto Blue Jays, but another youngster took the spotlight on Sunday evening.

Elvis Luciano, a 19-year-old rookie reliever, set multiple records during Sunday’s 5-4 win against the Oakland A’s. Luciano became the youngest player in franchise history to record a victory while also becoming the first player born in the 2000s to earn a major league win. Ah, to be young again.

One of those trivia challenges for which I don’t know the answer:

If Luciano is the first player born in the 2000s to win a major league game, who was the first among those born in every decade of the 1900s, and when did they do so?

 

QLE Posted: April 29, 2019 at 04:22 AM | 17 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. My name is RMc and I feel extremely affected Posted: April 29, 2019 at 07:00 AM (#5836228)
Well, let's do these one at a time...

1900s: Lefty Weinert (born 1902), Phillies, won his first game on June 2, 1920.
1910s: Dizzy Dean (1910), Cardinals, won his only start of his rookie year on the last day of the season, September 28, 1930.
1920s: Walt Masterson (1920), Senators, May 17, 1939, making him the first pitcher in the 20th century to win a MLB game in the decade following his birth.

More to come...
   2. My name is RMc and I feel extremely affected Posted: April 29, 2019 at 07:17 AM (#5836230)
And while I'm at it...

1830s: Harry Wright (born 1835), Red Stockings, September 13, 1871.
1840s: Al Pratt (1847), Forest Citys, May 6, 1871.
1850s: Bobby Mathews (1851), Kekiongas, May 4, 1871 (first game EVAR).
1860s: John Montgomery Ward (1860), Grays, er...sometime in 1878. Ward won 22 games as an 18-year-old, but B-R doesn't seem to have game-by-game breakdowns for that season.
   3. Random Transaction Generator Posted: April 29, 2019 at 07:23 AM (#5836231)
"Win" is funny because Luciano threw four pitches when he came in with the bases loaded:

- 1st pitch: hit batsman, scoring a run, making it 4-1
- 2nd pitch: spiked a pitch in the dirt, blocked by the catcher
- 3rd pitch: foul ball
- 4th pitch: deep fly ball caught at the wall in CF, end of inning

   4. Spahn Insane Posted: April 29, 2019 at 08:56 AM (#5836250)
"Win" is funny because Luciano threw four pitches when he came in with the bases loaded:

- 1st pitch: hit batsman, scoring a run, making it 4-1
- 2nd pitch: spiked a pitch in the dirt, blocked by the catcher
- 3rd pitch: foul ball
- 4th pitch: deep fly ball caught at the wall in CF, end of inning


Only 19, and he already knows how to pitch to the score.
   5. Ziggy is done with Dominican discotheques Posted: April 29, 2019 at 08:58 AM (#5836251)
B-R doesn't have game-by-game breakdowns for 1878? Sean, what are you doing to me?!?!
   6. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: April 29, 2019 at 10:28 AM (#5836283)

1900s: Lefty Weinert (born 1902), Phillies, won his first game on June 2, 1920.
1910s: Dizzy Dean (1910), Cardinals, won his only start of his rookie year on the last day of the season, September 28, 1930.
1920s: Walt Masterson (1920), Senators, May 17, 1939, making him the first pitcher in the 20th century to win a MLB game in the decade following his birth.


1920 is in the decade after 1902. 1901-1910 and 1911-1920.
   7. ajnrules Posted: April 29, 2019 at 10:30 AM (#5836284)
Ward won 22 games as an 18-year-old, but B-R doesn't seem to have game-by-game breakdowns for that season.

They might not, but Retrosheet has the gamelogs for the 1878 Grays along with the starting pitchers. We see that Ward started the Grays' last 37 games, of which there were 22 wins, 13 losses, and two ties, which goes in line with his stats. So it stands to reason that the first win with Providence would be Ward's first win. And that apparently came on July 16, 1878.
   8. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: April 29, 2019 at 11:06 AM (#5836310)
I think these are right:

1970s: Steve Avery, Braves, 6/26/1990.
1980s: CC Sabathia, Indians, 4/13/2001. I believe the second was Nick Neugebauer -- no claim to fame for him.
1990s: Brad Hand, Marlins, 7/7/2011. Jordan Lyles, Nathan Eovaldi, Randall Delgado, Arodys Vizcaino and Julio Teheran all followed in August.

That was when Brad Hand was a starter, so he didn't vulture a win by pitching the 8th and giving up 3 runs or something.

Luciano may be the first to get the "win" in relief. He got 1 out in the top of the 11th. No runs at least.
   9. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: April 29, 2019 at 11:28 AM (#5836326)
Update: Luciano came in and hit a batter with the bases loaded before getting the out. No earned runs at least.
   10. Booey Posted: April 29, 2019 at 11:34 AM (#5836329)
1920 is in the decade after 1902. 1901-1910 and 1911-1920.


Any 10 year span is a decade, of course, but I've always thought it made more sense to use, say, 1900-1909 and 1910-1919 in discussions like this. The "year zero" technicality argument doesn't apply to nicknames given to a group of years. For example, the 10th decade of the 20th century might be 1991-2000, but "the 90's" is just a nickname given to a group of years that ends in 90, so 1990-1999. 1990 ends in 90, so it's included. 2000 doesn't, so it's not.
   11. The Yankee Clapper Posted: April 29, 2019 at 11:35 AM (#5836330)
This would seem to be yesterday’s more significant age milestone:
David Schoenfield, ESPN Senior Writer

How crazy was it that Juan Soto, Victor Robles and Carter Kieboom each homered on Sunday for the Nationals? The last team with three players 21 or younger to homer in the same SEASON (let alone game) was the 1993 Expos with Cliff Floyd, Wil Cordero and Rondell White.
   12. bobm Posted: April 29, 2019 at 11:49 AM (#5836337)
[11]

From 1908 to 2019, (requiring age<=21.365 and HR>=1), sorted by greatest number of players matching selected criteria for a Team in a Single Game

                                 
Tm    Opp          Date #Matching
WSN   SDP    2019-04-28         3
                                 
WSN   PHI    2019-04-09         2
TOR   CHW    1981-09-06         2
TEX   SEA    2015-09-08         2
TEX   KCR    1987-08-19         2
SLB   BOS    1939-09-21         2
SFG   CIN    1959-08-08         2
PIT   MON    1971-09-05         2
PHI   PIT    1971-09-28         2
NYY   DET 1953-07-26(2)         2
NYM   HOU    1965-04-14         2
NYG   STL    1925-06-04         2
MON   NYM 1975-06-17(1)         2
MON   SFG    1975-06-01         2
MIL   CLE 1973-08-05(1)         2
MIL   DET    1973-08-02         2
MIL   CLE    1975-04-12         2
LAD   SFG    1960-09-25         2
KCR   CHW    2011-09-23         2
KCR   DET    2011-09-20         2
KCA   DET 1967-06-17(2)         2
HOU   SFG 1965-05-16(1)         2
HOU   CHC    1965-05-08         2
CHW   TEX 1980-07-26(1)         2
CHC   STL    1963-05-01         2
CHC   STL    1961-09-27         2
CAL   OAK 1969-07-20(1)         2
BRO   NYG 1945-08-25(1)         2
BOS   DET    1964-05-07         2
BOS   PHA 1939-07-04(1)         2
BOS   WSA    1965-06-26         2
BOS   WSH 1939-08-13(2)         2
BOS   WSH 1939-05-27(2)         2
BOS   CLE    1965-09-08         2
BOS   NYY    2014-09-02         2
BOS   DET    1965-08-21         2
BAL   NYY    1965-05-16         2
BAL   BOS    1965-04-17         2
ATL   MIL    2018-08-12         2
ATL   CIN    1978-09-23         2
ATL   NYM    2018-05-03         2
ATL   COL    2011-07-07         2
ATL   CIN    2018-04-26         2
ATL   COL    2011-07-21         2


Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
Generated 4/29/2019.
   13. Hysterical & Useless Posted: April 29, 2019 at 12:03 PM (#5836343)
Any 10 year span is a decade, of course, but I've always thought it made more sense to use, say, 1900-1909 and 1910-1919 in discussions like this. The "year zero" technicality argument doesn't apply to nicknames given to a group of years. For example, the 10th decade of the 20th century might be 1991-2000, but "the 90's" is just a nickname given to a group of years that ends in 90, so 1990-1999. 1990 ends in 90, so it's included. 2000 doesn't, so it's not.


Thank you Booey. I knew as soon as this got started that it would generate controversy over the beginnings and ends of "decades."

Decades (and centuries) are not natural phenomena; they are created by people for convenience in discussing blocks of years. To say that "1970 isn't part of the Seventies, but 1980 is" just doesn't make sense.

Doesn't. Make. Sense.

That's just, like, my opinion, man.
   14. Greg Pope Posted: April 29, 2019 at 01:13 PM (#5836379)
Decades (and centuries) are not natural phenomena; they are created by people for convenience in discussing blocks of years


Right. The only argument for starting with 1 and ending with zero is if you're counting. So the first decade would be the first 10 years, so 1-10. The second decade would be 11-20. But when we refer to "the 20's", we're not counting we're referring to a specific 10 years, which should naturally be 20-29 if we're calling it the 20's. You can call any 10 years a decade. Friends was on for a decade, right? Just because it was (guessing here) 1996-2005 doesn't mean it wasn't a decade.

Now, even for counting, I'm going to argue that it's pedantic and not practical. Who says that the first century has to have a full 100 years? Call 1-99 the first century and be done with it.
   15. Walt Davis Posted: April 29, 2019 at 03:29 PM (#5836443)
Then there's soccer where they score goals in the 57th minute. Wankers. Can't even keep time properly.
   16. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 29, 2019 at 05:05 PM (#5836482)
This seemed like a really stupid use of the Rule 5 at the time, and now its looking like it might actually work out, which seems crazy.

I still don't really get the loophole that allowed Luciano to be Rule 5 eligible in the first place.
   17. My name is RMc and I feel extremely affected Posted: April 29, 2019 at 05:37 PM (#5836488)
Who says that the first century has to have a full 100 years? Call 1-99 the first century and be done with it.

The whole anno domini thing wasn't created until 500+ years after Christ, and nobody much paid attention to it for several more centuries. (Hell, some eastern European countries didn't start using it until the 19th century!)

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