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Saturday, August 23, 2014

Embarrassing loss, surging Royals add importance to doubleheader for Detroit Tigers

The Twins should be punished for cruelty to animals for what they did Friday night.

The Tigers pitched poorly and made multiple defensive gaffes Friday night in a 20-6 loss to the Minnesota Twins.

The Tigers used eight pitchers—well, seven pitchers plus shortstop Andrew Romine—in the loss. The Tigers were charged with two errors and made at least that many additional bad defensive plays. Romine gave up more than 820 feet worth of home runs to consecutive batters.

The Tigers rallied from a 6-1 deficit to make a game of it, but they saw a 6-5 deficit grow to 15-5 in the bottom of the sixth inning, which took 42 minutes to complete.

“This was a bad game,” Tigers manager Brad Ausmus said. “It was an embarrassing game, really. There’s really not much to say about it. It is what it is.”

Really, it couldn’t have gone much worse for the Tigers. The game took nearly four hours. The Tigers used every available pitcher short of closer Joe Nathan. Ausmus clearly made the decision early in the game to try to use each relief pitcher sparingly rather than burn through one or two guys and then make roster moves to replace them.

“Pretty much every pitcher that went out there, we were being careful with,” Ausmus said. “We have two games (Saturday). We have a young pitcher starting the first game, so we were careful about every single pitcher that toed the rubber tonight because of their pitch count.”

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 23, 2014 at 04:03 PM | 32 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: August 23, 2014 at 05:39 PM (#4777813)
And they lost the first game 12-4.
   2. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: August 23, 2014 at 05:43 PM (#4777816)
And they throw Verlander tonight. Curious to see how he does coming of the DL.
   3. BDC Posted: August 23, 2014 at 06:05 PM (#4777829)
Don't worry, Tiger fans, Nick Tepesch and the Rangers have your back tonight.
   4. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 23, 2014 at 11:17 PM (#4777935)
The Royals are up 3.5 games. I'm started to think this could happen. Not will, but could.
   5. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: August 23, 2014 at 11:29 PM (#4777941)
Do you guys ever end up with totally irrational hatreds of certain teams, especially transient ones? For a long time I had vaguely positive feelings about the Tigers, based mostly on how bad they had been, and seeing them succeed made me happy. But at some point, about three years ago, for reasons I'm at a loss to explain, that stopped, and I started rooting against the Tigers. Why? No reason that I'm able to put my finger on. But they started bugging me, and their difficulties this year have made me happy. And then I started thinking about why they made me happy -- basically no reason -- and then I started feeling guilty about feeling happy about this. But it still makes me a little happy.

This has happened, at various times, with the White Sox, Twins, Cardinals. Given my rooting interests (Mariners, Red Sox / Mets as a secondary thing when the Mariners are tooooo pathetic), there is absolutely no reason for this. It makes sense for me to despise the Rangers (kinda do), Angels (don't as much as I used to), A's (don't, really), Yankees (yuuuup), Phillies (yeah), Braves (varies). Why should I give a #### about random AL Central teams? Dunno, but I often do.
   6. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: August 23, 2014 at 11:44 PM (#4777951)
I've been this way with the Tigers since 2005ish, which is kind of sad, since I'm about 2 hours north of Detroit. I'm in a similar boat in that I have trouble putting my finger on what it is that's caused me to quietly root against them. They haven't showcased many, if any, unlikable players in their near-decade of being not terrible. Rod Allen channels Hawk a bit when a particular Tiger is doing very well, but overall, the announce team doesn't really do a lot to turn you against the team. Leyland wasn't a polarizing personality, so I can't even attribute it to the guy at the helm.

I think Detroit is near the top of the list of MLB cities who really NEED to field a good baseball team; I don't want them to be BAD. I like seeing Comerica packed. I like seeing people proud of their Tigers team. I just don't particularly like to see the Tigers, you know, win.
   7. stevegamer Posted: August 23, 2014 at 11:45 PM (#4777953)
I only really hate a few baseball teams: Mets, Yankees, Red Sox. As a Phbillies/Blue Jays it's pretty straightforward.
   8. Cargo Cultist Posted: August 23, 2014 at 11:46 PM (#4777954)
I predicted the Royals to be utterly mediocre this year, but I'm very pleased with what they are doing and I sure hope that they make the playoffs.
   9. rr Posted: August 24, 2014 at 02:51 AM (#4778017)
Do you guys ever end up with totally irrational hatreds of certain teams, especially transient ones?


I am sort of the opposite of this with the Tigers. I have no connections to Detroit, but I have always thought that the Tigers are cool--cool history, cool logo, cool unis--and I kind of pull for them now because of all the problems the actual city has.
   10. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: August 24, 2014 at 08:52 AM (#4778024)
Do you guys ever end up with totally irrational hatreds of certain teams, especially transient ones?


Definitely. I'm in a weird place regarding the Tigers right now. I like them a lot and really want them to succeed but seeing them go kaput after acquiring David Price makes me very happy.
   11. BDC Posted: August 24, 2014 at 09:00 AM (#4778029)
I admired and feared the Cardinals of the 1960s, really liked the Whitey version, and since LaRussa have just gotten sick of them. It is irrational. It predates 2011 and made 2011 worse for me.

For a very long time I didn't care for the Red Sox either, all that literary association and angst and such. But then that lifted for some reason and I quite liked them last year. Again, irrational.

The one lifelong hatred I will always have is the Mets, but who doesn't, especially Mets fans.
   12. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: August 24, 2014 at 12:52 PM (#4778096)
I started rooting against the Tigers.


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   13. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: August 24, 2014 at 01:31 PM (#4778106)
It probably isn't anything much more than the Tigers have been consistently successful for a long time now, and it's well since become boring.
   14. jingoist Posted: August 24, 2014 at 01:32 PM (#4778108)
Hatred?
Isn't that a bit strong?

I certainly have rooted against certain teams in my younger days but as I've grown older I find myself looking for the good things that opposing teams have done to make themselves better and wish/hope my Pirates/Orioles will do the same.

I first found this evolving admiration occur when a buddy and I were at a Birds game against the 97 Yankees and we looked at each other after about 6 or 7 innings and collectively said, "oh boy are we in trouble for the coming few years". I never have or will root for NY teams but I certainly admire good play when I see it.

That said I am quite happy with how 2014 is playing out so far and hope the Royals and A's also get into the playoffs.
Likewise, if my Buccos cant get there then I am happy to see Milwaukee trying to win a WS.
   15. BDC Posted: August 24, 2014 at 01:39 PM (#4778113)
Well, it's sports hatred. Fandom brings on hyperbole. I don't really love the Cowboys, in common parlance, either, but man, I love those Cowboys :)

And I will say that my team dislikes rarely extend to players. All through the years when I didn't like the concept of the Red Sox, Nomar Garciaparra was one of my favorite players. I've always liked David Ortiz. David Wright is similarly a dreamboat, etc.

For one thing, you might end up with the guy suddenly on your team. I disliked Pete Rose all through the '70s till he fetched up in Philadelphia and I suddenly had to root for the guy. That taught me.
   16. TerpNats Posted: August 24, 2014 at 01:54 PM (#4778120)
For one thing, you might end up with the guy suddenly on your team. I disliked Pete Rose all through the '70s till he fetched up in Philadelphia and I suddenly had to root for the guy. That taught me.
Through mid-June 1989, Phillies phans similarly despised Len Dykstra.
   17. Barnaby Jones Posted: August 24, 2014 at 11:32 PM (#4778352)
Hating the Tigers seems perfectly normal to me. The Tigers have become one of those teams that throw around money and are successful while doing so. People tend to hate that.
   18. The District Attorney Posted: August 25, 2014 at 12:12 AM (#4778362)
To paraphrase the sentiment I posted to omnichatter, my usual indifference towards the Tigers will soon be turned into unconditional love if they can keep the supply of rotation starters with names like "Buck Farmer" and "Kyle Lobstein" coming.

I mean, KYLE LOBSTEIN. And he's a pitcher!
   19. Bunny Vincennes Posted: August 25, 2014 at 02:10 AM (#4778379)
9. robinred Posted: August 24, 2014 at 02:51 AM (#4778017)

Do you guys ever end up with totally irrational hatreds of certain teams, especially transient ones?



I am sort of the opposite of this with the Tigers. I have no connections to Detroit, but I have always thought that the Tigers are cool--cool history, cool logo, cool unis--and I kind of pull for them now because of all the problems the actual city has.
10. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: August 24, 2014 at 08:52 AM (#4778024)

Do you guys ever end up with totally irrational hatreds of certain teams, especially transient ones?



Definitely. I'm in a weird place regarding the Tigers right now. I like them a lot and really want them to succeed but seeing them go kaput after acquiring David Price makes me very happy.
11. BDC Posted: August 24, 2014 at 09:00 AM (#4778029)
I admired and feared the Cardinals of the 1960s, really liked the Whitey version, and since LaRussa have just gotten sick of them. It is irrational. It predates 2011 and made 2011 worse for me.

For a very long time I didn't care for the Red Sox either, all that literary association and angst and such. But then that lifted for some reason and I quite liked them last year. Again, irrational.

The one lifelong hatred I will always have is the Mets, but who doesn't, especially Mets fans.

I've always kept an eye on the Tigers (yes I said that), because that '84 team was on tv all the time, such a crushing of the American League that year. As a kid I was fascinated with Ty Cobb and his craziness. I'm fascinated with the city over the last decade, I just watched "Detropia." And yet, I think Ausmas is an idiot.

The reason you currently dislike St. Louis (reflex reaction for me, but that's on me) is Matheny is somehow more of an ####### than LaRussa. He almost makes me miss Tony.

But go KC. I want to see the A's play KC in the playoffs. If I went to that series do I wear my KC A's cap?
   20. Bunny Vincennes Posted: August 25, 2014 at 02:12 AM (#4778380)
9. robinred Posted: August 24, 2014 at 02:51 AM (#4778017)

Do you guys ever end up with totally irrational hatreds of certain teams, especially transient ones?



I am sort of the opposite of this with the Tigers. I have no connections to Detroit, but I have always thought that the Tigers are cool--cool history, cool logo, cool unis--and I kind of pull for them now because of all the problems the actual city has.
10. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: August 24, 2014 at 08:52 AM (#4778024)

Do you guys ever end up with totally irrational hatreds of certain teams, especially transient ones?



Definitely. I'm in a weird place regarding the Tigers right now. I like them a lot and really want them to succeed but seeing them go kaput after acquiring David Price makes me very happy.
11. BDC Posted: August 24, 2014 at 09:00 AM (#4778029)
I admired and feared the Cardinals of the 1960s, really liked the Whitey version, and since LaRussa have just gotten sick of them. It is irrational. It predates 2011 and made 2011 worse for me.

For a very long time I didn't care for the Red Sox either, all that literary association and angst and such. But then that lifted for some reason and I quite liked them last year. Again, irrational.


The one lifelong hatred I will always have is the Mets, but who doesn't, especially Mets fans.

I've always kept an eye on the Tigers (yes I said that), because that '84 team was on tv all the time, such a crushing of the American League that year. As a kid I was fascinated with Ty Cobb and his craziness. I'm fascinated with the city over the last decade, I just watched "Detropia." And yet, I think Ausmas is an idiot.
   21. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: August 25, 2014 at 02:31 AM (#4778382)
For one thing, you might end up with the guy suddenly on your team.


I am well acquainted with this cognitive dissonance; Curt Schilling is one of my least-favorite players of all time, and in a much more visceral, personal way than guys who were simply stars on rival teams, like Jason Giambi or Derek Jeter. And then my "ancestral team", as I call the Red Sox, acquired him, and he was instrumental in that first World Series win, one my father had been waiting for since he became a fan in 195-#######-3. Oof.
   22. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 25, 2014 at 09:31 AM (#4778414)
Is there a real possibility Brad Ausmus gets canned if the Tigers miss the playoffs?
   23. Yoenis Cespedes, Baseball Savant Posted: August 25, 2014 at 10:38 AM (#4778480)
The problem with being an A's fan is that there are a lot of teams to rationally hate if you're the type to hold playoff/regional grudges: Red Sox, Yankees, Twins, Tigers, Angels, Rangers, Giants.

But the Cardinals stand out as an irrational sports hate. They're the team of Midwestern Southerner, polo-shirt wearing, early-middle age sales reps with a few extra pounds around the waist from all the nights out on regional business trips to close deals. He's screwed around on his wife a couple of times, but he's a deacon in the church. He's got a 3 handicap and is pissed it's not better, and if you get a couple of drinks in him, there's a decent chance he'll say something impolitic about black people. His favorite part of attending a Cardinals game is the little rush of superiority he gets when he claps in appreciation for the productive out Matt Carpenter just made.
   24. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: August 25, 2014 at 10:39 AM (#4778482)
The problem with being an A's fan is that there are a lot of teams to rationally hate if you're the type to hold playoff/regional grudges


Also, your team plays in a backed up toilet.
   25. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: August 25, 2014 at 10:47 AM (#4778489)
Do you guys ever end up with totally irrational hatreds of certain teams, especially transient ones?


There's nothing irrational about my hatreds.
   26. Yoenis Cespedes, Baseball Savant Posted: August 25, 2014 at 10:55 AM (#4778500)
THE HALF-CENTURY-OLD TOILET IS PART OF THE CHARM
   27. zonk Posted: August 25, 2014 at 11:32 AM (#4778535)
Is there a real possibility Brad Ausmus gets canned if the Tigers miss the playoffs?


Seems to me like he probably should be -

I know they've had some injuries, but on paper - they really ought to be the class of the AL.
   28. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: August 25, 2014 at 11:33 AM (#4778536)
THE HALF-CENTURY-OLD TOILET IS PART OF THE CHARM


They can't tear down the Coliseum for fear that all of the roids that have seeped into the foundations be released into the atmosphere.
   29. Yoenis Cespedes, Baseball Savant Posted: August 25, 2014 at 12:05 PM (#4778561)
That's high-quality trolling without relying (ed.: replying?) on cheap blasts, such as "rednecks" and "cornpones".
   30. Yoenis Cespedes, Baseball Savant Posted: August 25, 2014 at 12:18 PM (#4778573)
BTW, the Tigers' fortunes turned for the worse after they dressed up in Zubaz when they swept Boston in May.

Pre-Zubaz: 27-12
Post-Zubaz: 43-47

QED.
   31. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: August 25, 2014 at 12:27 PM (#4778582)
Bring back Alan Trammell! If there's ever a guy who didn't get a chance to succeed...
   32. pikepredator Posted: August 25, 2014 at 02:09 PM (#4778707)
I'm something of a bad-weather fan in general and of the central division teams in particular. I started rooting for the Tigers when they sucked and it was fun to see them turn from one of the worst teams ever to a perennial contender over the course of a decade.

but over the last few years the sad-sack royals took over my rooting interest. And now they're contending!

Pittsburgh stole my heart from Cincinatti when I visited the 'Burgh a half-dozen years ago. I found the city to be both beautiful (those bridges!) and the people quite friendly. So seeing them turn it around shortly thereafter has been pretty enjoyable. If they are good for a few years, maybe I'll start pulling for the Reds (again).

that's what I like about sports: picking crappy teams and following them until they turn it around. I don't resent the successful teams - my level of hatred for teams and players (and celebrities) is pretty much zero - but it's more fun for me to follow bad teams and the process of turning it around than it is to follow perennial contenders.

did I mention I was raised a red sox fan? they still have my heart, such as it is, but I'm not a raving fan of them like I was then I was in the 80's and 90's. fortunately in basketball I've been a golden state warriors fan since a kid (love the name!!) so I haven't had to flip-flop yet . . .

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