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Wednesday, November 07, 2012

Erardi: Rose, Bench among baseball legends at fundraiser

It was billed as “Johnny “Pete & Friends”...

Robin Yount captured the tone perfectly.

“I, like a number of us up here,” began Yount, nodding at Rose, “idolized this man here to my left. In my opinion, everyone up here is a Hall of Famer.”

Whatever Rose might be now, his record of 4,256 hits is pure, untainted by anything more than a few greenies (amphetamines), which were de rigueur in the 1960s and 1970s and put a little spring in one’s step on day games after night games but provided nowhere near the juice that came from steroids.

...On Saturday night, Rose again showed his knowledge of baseball history, citing Ty Cobb’s career batting average and calling him “probably baseball’s greatest hitter.” But, more amazing on this night, said Rose, was there had been a lot of great players in the 150-year history of baseball, but sitting in the hall this night were the greatest catcher (Bench) and third baseman (Schmidt) who ever lived.

“And the guy with the most hits,” Bench volleyed back.

The players told stories about the impact Rose had on their careers – from the poster in Schmidt’s bedroom growing up, to Winfield wanting to capture the “high energy” of Rose, to Molitor seeking to emulate Rose’s all-out approach on the base paths.

The implication being that times have changed, that it’s not 1919 anymore, that Baseball needs to get past the Black Sox Scandal and Shoeless Joe Jackson and the idea that Rose had somehow irreparably compromised the game that he loved so much and played so hard.

It’s time to open the doors, the Hall of Famers were as much as saying.

 

Repoz Posted: November 07, 2012 at 05:41 AM | 8 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: history, reds

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   1. Walt Davis Posted: November 07, 2012 at 07:05 AM (#4296645)
It’s time to open the doors, the Hall of Famers were as much as saying.

As far as I know, the doors are open to Rose as long as he buys a ticket like everybody else. Heck, Joe Morgan can probably put him on the guest list to save him a few bucks.
   2. BDC Posted: November 07, 2012 at 08:39 AM (#4296682)
Was there similar sentiment among early HOFers for the induction of Joe Jackson? There are stories and quotes about Ty Cobb being sympathetic to Jackson (the famous incident where Cobb visits Jackson's store and Jackson fears to be recognized), but I don't remember if there were contemporaries (or later stars) who directly argued for his induction.

   3. Dunn Deal Posted: November 07, 2012 at 12:09 PM (#4296921)
Whatever Rose might be now, his record of 4,256 hits is pure, untainted by anything more than a few greenies (amphetamines), which were de rigueur in the 1960s and 1970s and put a little spring in one’s step on day games after night games but provided nowhere near the juice that came from steroids.


That's all; just a spring in one's step! Plus, lots of people were doing them, so apparently that's OK.

Maybe it's unfair for me to expect a posting on cincinnati.com to be anything but sympathetic to Rose.
   4. Traderdave Posted: November 07, 2012 at 12:18 PM (#4296928)
Rose sentiment is far from universal in Cincinnati. To be sure, he remains popular, but there are a large number of folks in the Queen City who are tired of his act.

   5. bachslunch Posted: November 07, 2012 at 03:23 PM (#4297172)
"...induction of Joe Jackson? There are stories and quotes about Ty Cobb being sympathetic to Jackson [for the HoF]..."

Given that this involves two game fixer/throwers, I'm somehow not surprised.
   6. alilisd Posted: November 07, 2012 at 03:39 PM (#4297200)
Was there similar sentiment among early HOFers for the induction of Joe Jackson?


I would be surprised if there were. I'd say it's a vastly different context. Jackson was out of baseball in 1920 and the HOF didn't induct it's first class until 1936. No one would have been arguing him to go in during those early years for, although he was a great player, he clearly was not on the same level as the early inductees. Then it's into WW II and no one was being elected. The Old Timers committee stuffed a bunch of guys in during 1945 and 1946, whereupon the writers woke up and started trying to do a better job of electing players. By then Jackson's been gone for nearly 30 years and his contemporaries are probably not lobbying much for him if at all. The relationships between players in those days and the level of communication and interaction would have been drastically different as well.
   7. phredbird Posted: November 08, 2012 at 01:52 PM (#4298099)
Whatever Rose might be now, his record of 4,256 hits is pure, untainted by anything more than a few greenies (amphetamines), which were de rigueur in the 1960s and 1970s and put a little spring in one’s step on day games after night games but provided nowhere near the juice that came from steroids.


WTF?
   8. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: November 08, 2012 at 02:33 PM (#4298171)
provided nowhere near the juice that came from steroids.

I like how blithely these guys ignore that Rose lived with a steroid dealer late in his career.

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