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Wednesday, July 30, 2014

Eric Chavez Retires

Eric Chavez. Including 123 OPS+ from 2012-2014! (648 PA)

Third baseman Eric Chavez has retired, effective immediately, according to Jon Heyman of CBS Sports (Twitter link)...

He’s battled knee trouble this season and also has a long history of back issues as well.

The District Attorney Posted: July 30, 2014 at 03:44 PM | 35 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. vortex of dissipation Posted: July 30, 2014 at 03:54 PM (#4760689)
In the running for the title of the best player post-ASG to never make an All-Star team?
   2. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: July 30, 2014 at 03:54 PM (#4760691)
Well, in 2012 Chavez was a True Yankee™ . I've heard rumors that he also played elsewhere, but that must have been before my time.
   3. BDC Posted: July 30, 2014 at 03:58 PM (#4760703)
Similar batting careers to Eric Chavez:

Player             dWAR   PA OPSRbaser WAA/pos      Pos
Eric Chavez         5.1 6228  115    8.4    15.6 
*5H/D367
Jimmy Williams      1.7 6116  115   
-8.6     9.6   *45/63
Dan McGann          0.1 6051  117   
-0.3    13.5     *3/4
Von Hayes          
-3.3 6052  113   16.2     9.5 9387H/D5
Kevin McReynolds   
-3.7 6039  115    7.8     9.5  *78/H9D
Raul Mondesi       
-3.8 6369  113   13.0     9.1  *98/7HD
Earl Torgeson      
-6.3 6046  117   15.3    11.1   *3H/97
Elmer Valo         
-6.3 6091  115   -1.0     9.7   *9H7/8
Al Smith           
-9.5 6173  113   15.8     1.7 975H/864 


Seems like a number of guys who, like Chavez, didn't reach their full potential, for reasons ranging from war service to color line to gunshot to unknown. Chavez also seems like the biggest star in the bunch, appropriate because he's the superior defensive player. He was such a good player, of course, that he could hang on while an echo of his former self, and get a chance to do so.
   4. Batman Posted: July 30, 2014 at 03:59 PM (#4760706)
Chavez (37.4) is fourth among non-All Star position players in WAR since 1933, behind Tony Phillips (50.8), Tim Salmon (40.5), and Kirk Gibson (38.3). Chavez is sixth in WAA, behind Phillips, John Valentin, Gibson, Dwayne Murphy, and Salmon.

Tom Candiotti leads both lists for pitchers.
   5. The District Attorney Posted: July 30, 2014 at 04:09 PM (#4760722)
Yup, that sounds right. Salmon was remarkably peakless, so you could surely take Chavez there, but I don't think I could get Chavez ahead of Tony Phillips, who was just a tremendous player.

Of course, Phillips was a super-utility guy on a bad team, so it's more surprising that Chavez never made the All-Star team. But anyway, a helluva career for Chavez, who obviously wanted it exceedingly badly based on how often -- and how well -- he battled back from injuries. Best of luck to him.
   6. smileyy Posted: July 30, 2014 at 04:27 PM (#4760742)
Chavez (37.4) is fourth among non-All Star position players in WAR since 1933, behind Tony Phillips (50.8), Tim Salmon (40.5), and Kirk Gibson (38.3)


Are there other league MVPs who were never All-Stars?
   7. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: July 30, 2014 at 04:27 PM (#4760743)
Phillips missed out on this weird super sub rule they have for the All-Star game now or he would have made it a bunch.

Of course my lasting memory of Chavez is the near decade his and Endy Chavez's likeness in my BBPro 98 league spent ####### up all my macros for data processing by playing on the same team, littering the Stockton box scores with an constant supply of unidentifiable 'E. Chavez' entries. Finally, Endy was released. We had a good few months there until Rio Grand Valley signed Alexei Ramirez in free agency creating the maddening Aramis-Alexei left side of the infield.

That's this months comment. Just got it in before the calender flips.
   8. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: July 30, 2014 at 04:35 PM (#4760758)
Seems like a number of guys who, like Chavez, didn't reach their full potential, for reasons ranging from war service to color line to gunshot to unknown.


McReynolds got fat...
seriously, McReynolds drove fans nuts for most of his career because he never gave any visible indication that he was trying or cared one bit about playing baseball. Playing career is a remarkably well shaped aging curve, especially peak/post peak portions...
But as to "full potential"- very highly regarded prospect, 1st round pick (6th overall), started his career n Reno, hit .376/.429/.704, midway through was promoted to AA, hit .352/.394/.531, next year hit .377/.424/.735 in AAA, yes it was the PCL and yes it was Vegas... but still .377/.424/.735 in AAA...
   9. valuearbitrageur Posted: July 30, 2014 at 04:45 PM (#4760775)
Chavez was over 30 WAR by end of his age 27 season.
   10. Batman Posted: July 30, 2014 at 04:45 PM (#4760776)
Are there other league MVPs who were never All-Stars?
Gibson's bio on the D-backs website says he's the only one.
   11. A triple short of the cycle Posted: July 30, 2014 at 05:14 PM (#4760805)
Chavez was a great player and a team leader.
   12. BDC Posted: July 30, 2014 at 05:18 PM (#4760811)
Jim Konstanty played in only one All-Star Game, in his MVP year (1950). He seems to have the fewest ASGs except for Gibson among the MVPs.
   13. cardsfanboy Posted: July 30, 2014 at 05:19 PM (#4760814)
Are there other league MVPs who were never All-Stars?


He was selected(by the manager, not fan vote) a couple of times and declined(he wanted to go fishing or some other crap)
   14. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: July 30, 2014 at 05:20 PM (#4760819)
Are there other league MVPs who were never All-Stars?

Gibson's bio on the D-backs website says he's the only one.


I count like 20. Walter Johnson, Ty Cobb, Frank "Wildfire" Schulte, Johnny Evers, Tris Speaker, etc....
   15. Batman Posted: July 30, 2014 at 05:23 PM (#4760823)
I count like 20. Walter Johnson, Ty Cobb, Frank "Wildfire" Schulte, Johnny Evers, Tris Speaker, etc....
Not to mention Peyton Manning, Brett Favre, Mark Moseley, etc...
   16. theboyqueen Posted: July 30, 2014 at 05:29 PM (#4760831)
Mark Moseley won an MVP? [Checks]...Wow; that year was just so bizarre for so many reasons.
   17. esseff Posted: July 30, 2014 at 05:48 PM (#4760840)
Eric Chavez Retires


"Damn. One year too late." -- Yusmeiro Petit
   18. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 30, 2014 at 06:02 PM (#4760857)
Definitely a guy who should have a good shot at the Hall of Very Good. At his peak he was one of the best players in baseball.

Where does he rank glovewise against his contemporaries at the hot corner? It seems like we've had a number of brilliant 3B gloves over the last 15 years. Rolen, Beltre, Chavez, Longo, etc.
   19. madvillain Posted: July 30, 2014 at 06:20 PM (#4760873)
Is the oldest guy in the league Latroy Hawkins? I literally did a double take when I saw he was still pitching. Makes me feel young(er) again.
   20. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: July 30, 2014 at 06:25 PM (#4760875)
[19] The National League, yes. Giambi is the oldest in MLB. Hawkins has been in MLB the longest.
   21. Batman Posted: July 30, 2014 at 06:27 PM (#4760878)
Is the oldest guy in the league Latroy Hawkins? I literally did a double take when I saw he was still pitching. Makes me feel young(er) again.
He's the oldest in the NL. Giambi and Ibanez in the AL are older than him.
   22. puck Posted: July 30, 2014 at 06:33 PM (#4760883)
Is the oldest guy in the league Latroy Hawkins? I literally did a double take when I saw he was still pitching. Makes me feel young(er) again.

145 ERA+ with a 11.6% K rate...and the Rockies say they don't want to trade him (team option for 2015 @ $2.25M or so). They cite his veteran leadership.
   23. Batman Posted: July 30, 2014 at 06:42 PM (#4760890)
The players marked as active on baseball-reference who made their MLB debuts the longest time ago are:
1. Manny Ramirez Sept. 2, 1993
2. Alex Rodriguez July 8, 1994
3. LaTroy Hawkins April 29, 1995
4. Noe Munoz April 30, 1995
5. Jason Giambi May 8, 1995

Munoz caught four innings in two games and made one plate appearance for the Dodgers in 1995 and never returned to MLB. He's still "active" because he's been playing in Mexico since 1996. The Mexican League careers of Ruben Rivera and Karim Garcia mark them as active too.
   24. alilisd Posted: July 30, 2014 at 06:47 PM (#4760893)
Best of luck to him.


Career earnings per B-Ref. $84.26 million. I think he'll be OK.
   25. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: July 30, 2014 at 06:55 PM (#4760896)
145 ERA+ with a 11.6% K rate...and the Rockies say they don't want to trade him (team option for 2015 @ $2.25M or so). They cite his veteran leadership.


LaTroy is very highly regarded around the league, other than in the bleachers at Wrigley and New Yankee Stadium (for different reasons).

Are there other league MVPs who were never All-Stars?


Chavez does match Gibson for the most years receiving MVP votes among those who were all-star gameless (each got votes in four different seasons).
   26. Dag is a salt water fish in fresh water world Posted: July 30, 2014 at 08:14 PM (#4760939)
The players marked as active on baseball-reference who made their MLB debuts the longest time ago are:
1. Manny Ramirez Sept. 2, 1993
2. Alex Rodriguez July 8, 1994
3. LaTroy Hawkins April 29, 1995
4. Noe Munoz April 30, 1995
5. Jason Giambi May 8, 1995


In other words, no one who played in MLB this year was around for the last labor strike.
   27. Booey Posted: July 30, 2014 at 09:59 PM (#4761015)
Huh. I would've guessed Chavez retired a few years ago.

Just looked at b-ref and was surprised to see that he's still only 36. Guess that's what happens when you debut at 20.
   28. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: July 30, 2014 at 10:03 PM (#4761018)
In other words, no one who played in MLB this year was around for the last labor strike.


Well, Hawkins was on the Opening Day roster in 1995, so he was there for the late start to the campaign as a result of the still-on-going labor issues.

   29. Spahn Insane Posted: July 31, 2014 at 01:22 AM (#4761092)
4. Noe Munoz April 30, 1995

Wait...what?
   30. Good cripple hitter Posted: July 31, 2014 at 01:33 AM (#4761095)
Munoz had a cup of coffee in 95 and has been playing in the Mexican league since then.
   31. Wahoo Sam Posted: July 31, 2014 at 02:49 AM (#4761101)
Gibson was selected for the ASG three times and refused to go each time. It's tricky classifying players as non-All Stars because of this. It's pretty arbitrary anyway.
   32. shoewizard Posted: July 31, 2014 at 05:00 AM (#4761109)
Wonder if the d backs offered him a coaching gig if he agreed to retire and give up the million or so he is owed, as well as the roster spot of course
   33. Walt Davis Posted: July 31, 2014 at 10:07 PM (#4762220)
I thought the question was guys who were MVPs that didn't make the AS game in their MVP seaason. For example, Jimmy Rollins did not make the AS team in his 2007 MVP year. Starting SS that year was Reyes, backup was Hardy.

Good call on Chavez being a much better player than that bunch (in quality terms). Those 30 WAR through age 27 is top 100 (position) all-time and is similar to Beltran, Cepeda, Whitaker, Strawberry, Simmons, Trammell. Adjust for PA and he's ahead of Beltre and even Miggy, just a couple of wins behind guys like David Wright, Murray, Jeter. He was very much on a borderline HoF, top HoVG track.
   34. Ray (RDP) Posted: July 31, 2014 at 10:19 PM (#4762226)
Baseball Prospectus before 1998:
A great prospect in the perfect organization for him. Chavez’ only weakness is strike zone discipline, and if you can learn that anywhere you’ll learn it in this system. Powerful stroke, great glove, very quick release throwing to first. The A’s have definitely got him fast-tracked.


Before 2000:
Expectations were high, so in some quarters Chavez was perceived as a disappointment. He had to be platooned, and his defense needs work, but the A's believe he's coachable. His hitting got better as the season went on; before a torn plantar fascia sidelined him from mid-August to mid-September, he was on the verge of becoming the big stick in the lineup. Among 1999 AL rookies, Chavez is still the guy who should have the best offensive career.

   35. AROM Posted: July 31, 2014 at 11:24 PM (#4762261)
Yup, that sounds right. Salmon was remarkably peakless


Salmon's 1995 season was better than the MVP. Though not quite as good as Albert Belle. He missed the allstar team despite hitting 291/423/530 in the second half. In 1995 that was closer to good than MVP level.

Then he hit 364/436/650 in the second half.

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