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Monday, July 07, 2014

ESPN: All Star Game To Feature Self-Service Beer Stations

Self-serve beer stations are up and running in Target Field, so Minnesota Twins fans and those who attend the Major League Baseball All-Star festivities next week can decide what they want and even how much they want of it.
.  .  .
Fans attending Twins games can go to a cash register, show their ID and preload a $10 or $20 card. For the All-Star Game, a $50 card will be available. Fans then scan the card at the machine and can choose between four beers and regulate how much they want to have poured. Bud and Bud Light will cost 38 cents per ounce, while Shock Top Lemon Shandy and Goose Island 312 Urban Pale Ale will cost 40 cents per ounce.
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The machine allows a customer to use the card to pour up to 48 ounces of beer every 15 minutes.

Delaware North will also use the All-Star Game festivities to show off some new food items, including lobster corn dogs and a Hangover Burger, which features two hamburger patties with bacon, American cheese and a fried egg with mayo, ketchup and sriracha.

I for one welcome our new robot overlords.

The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 07, 2014 at 08:16 PM | 61 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Canker Soriano Posted: July 07, 2014 at 09:00 PM (#4745679)
All-Star Game also to feature demolition of disco records during seventh inning stretch.
   2. Moeball Posted: July 07, 2014 at 09:01 PM (#4745680)
For the All-Star Game, a $50 card will be available.


So for the AS game that will be what, two beers?
   3. theboyqueen Posted: July 07, 2014 at 09:08 PM (#4745683)
$20 will get you 50oz which is more than 3 pints. And that's the premium stuff. That seems incredibly cheap by ballpark standards.
   4. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 07, 2014 at 09:21 PM (#4745688)
Does Target Field still have Summit? That was by far the best beer available at the park when I lived in Minnesota.
   5. cardsfanboy Posted: July 07, 2014 at 09:23 PM (#4745690)
Nothing can go wrong with a system like this..../sarcasm off.
   6. theboyqueen Posted: July 07, 2014 at 09:34 PM (#4745695)
The prepayment system seems like the biggest problem -- if someone buys $50 worth of beer (which is a crapload of beer at these prices) he's gonna try and get his money's worth.
   7. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: July 07, 2014 at 09:57 PM (#4745712)
So a can's worth of Bud Light would be $4.56, and a can's worth of premium beer would be $4.80.

For 24 cents more, who wouldn't get the better beer?

As #3 says, this seems like a very good price for a professional sports team.

BTW, somebody told me today that the NASCAR race in New Hampshire this weekend, which takes place in Loudon, allows fans to BYOB via your own cooler into the track. You can buy beer at the race concession stand if you'd like, but apparently most people bring a cooler, fill it with close to a case of beer, and their group just sits and drinks for two or three hours while watching the cars go round and round.

This amazes me. Can you imagine being able - indeed, encouraged! - to bring your own beer into a baseball/football/hockey/basketball game? How much revenue is being left on the table with this? And how many additional people, with the ability to bring a case of beer to the race for about $20, are getting trashed during the race, and then getting in their own car?
   8. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: July 07, 2014 at 10:15 PM (#4745726)
God Bless America
   9. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: July 07, 2014 at 10:23 PM (#4745729)
Re#7, you can BYOB and BYOF in a pretty big cooler to the Indy 500. I haven't bought a beer at IMS in six trips to the 500. I tend to tailgate by 7 to 7:30 and am then in line and in the speedway by 11 am for a noon green flag. I probably stop drinking by 1245, which is about 1/3rd into the race. I probably bring as much bottled water and snacks as i do beer. I'm guessing the loss of gate revenue would not be small if you couldn't byob/byof.
   10. JE (Jason) Posted: July 07, 2014 at 10:33 PM (#4745735)
For 24 cents more, who wouldn't get the better beer?

You're new to the USA, right?
   11. Lassus Posted: July 07, 2014 at 10:36 PM (#4745738)
Beaten to it by Jason, although my response was more like, "Are you kidding?"
   12. An Athletic in Powderhorn™ Posted: July 07, 2014 at 10:55 PM (#4745753)
Bud-Ugh
Bud Light-Watered-down ugh
Shock Top-Good. I don't recall which styles of theirs I've had, but I've had no complaints
Goose Island-Have not had, but I hear good things

The great local brewer is Surly, which is also available at Target Field. I kind of wish they'd paid whatever it took to be part of this promotion, just so visitors know that we have good beer too.
   13. BDC Posted: July 07, 2014 at 10:57 PM (#4745756)
The machine allows a customer to use the card to pour up to 48 ounces of beer every 15 minutes

And in the meantime, what am I supposed to do, die of thirst?
   14. Rennie's Tenet Posted: July 07, 2014 at 11:07 PM (#4745765)
The machine allows a customer to use the card to pour up to 48 ounces of beer every 15 minutes.


They can't just connect the machine directly to a urinal?
   15. JE (Jason) Posted: July 07, 2014 at 11:10 PM (#4745767)
They can't just connect the machine directly to a urinal?

Don't laugh: I wouldn't be shocked if in 20 years one or more ballparks feature catheter hook-ups in the seats.
   16. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: July 07, 2014 at 11:17 PM (#4745777)
The machine allows a customer to use the card to pour up to 48 ounces of beer every 15 minutes.

And the whole thing is sponsered by Bad Ideas Jeans.

Americans really hate their bodies.
   17. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: July 07, 2014 at 11:32 PM (#4745782)
19 year olds are gonna love this.
   18. Gamingboy Posted: July 07, 2014 at 11:57 PM (#4745798)
What could possibly go wrong?
   19. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: July 08, 2014 at 12:06 AM (#4745805)
Don't laugh: I wouldn't be shocked if in 20 years one or more ballparks feature catheter hook-ups in the seats.


do they still sell the stadium pal?

Why of course they do.
   20. Curse of the Andino Posted: July 08, 2014 at 12:20 AM (#4745812)
Ehh, I don't know if I'd call any of those beers "premium" or "craft." Both Shock Top and Goose Island are actually Anheuser-Busch/InBev/whatever the hell it is.

[Prefers Guinness these days, as my favorite IPAs don't seem to taste as good in the heavy South Florida air. I got my fake ID when the original microbrew revolution hit back in the early '90s. Remember one bar with 99 beers and 33 tequilas. Good times.)
   21. madvillain Posted: July 08, 2014 at 12:34 AM (#4745816)
Ehh, I don't know if I'd call any of those beers "premium" or "craft." Both Shock Top and Goose Island are actually Anheuser-Busch/InBev/whatever the hell it is.

[Prefers Guinness these days, as my favorite IPAs don't seem to taste as good in the heavy South Florida air. I got my fake ID when the original microbrew revolution hit back in the early '90s. Remember one bar with 99 beers and 33 tequilas. Good times.)


You my friend don't understand branding! Or well, you understand it too well. Guarantee that "premium craft lager made in small batches" by fine craftsman with awesome full beards" costs the same or even less to make than the cheap ####.

And they make 5% higher margin on it. Somebody gets those in bev ad execs a cold one on me!


On a more serious note, Shocktop is awful, Goose Island is alright, on average, although I haven't had much since in bev took over. Originally it was one of the two big ascendent breweries from around where I'm from, the other being Bells.
   22. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: July 08, 2014 at 12:42 AM (#4745819)
Don't laugh: I wouldn't be shocked if in 20 years one or more ballparks feature catheter hook-ups in the seats.

The last thing a team wants is the fans to stay in their seats.
   23. boteman Posted: July 08, 2014 at 12:43 AM (#4745820)
#20 - Andino, didn't know you're here in SoFLA, but I must hijack this thread to pump up my new-ish local brewpub Funky Buddha. Their Oakland Park Porter is my usual poison and I've converted a few customers who have tried it at my recommendation. It'll make you forget all about Guiness. Lots of other good ones from which to choose, plus the eye candy is pretty nice there most times.

#22 - I've seen a photo on the Net of a bar with built-in urinals under the rail. Could have been Photoshopped, but life is just strange enough that I want to believe that such a bar exists. Talk about the ultimate in convenience and recycling!
   24. Curse of the Andino Posted: July 08, 2014 at 01:20 AM (#4745833)
#20 - Andino, didn't know you're here in SoFLA, but I must hijack this thread to pump up my new-ish local brewpub Funky Buddha. Their Oakland Park Porter is my usual poison and I've converted a few customers who have tried it at my recommendation. It'll make you forget all about Guiness. Lots of other good ones from which to choose, plus the eye candy is pretty nice there most times.


Ahh, wrong side of the state! We have the same eye-candy in St. Pete area, but much nicer girls. It looks like you're distributed into World of Beer, so I'll try and check ya out this weekend. Have some Uber points from AmEx...
   25. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: July 08, 2014 at 01:56 AM (#4745841)
Madvillan, no love for Three Floyds?
   26. smileyy Posted: July 08, 2014 at 02:49 AM (#4745848)
The last thing a team wants is the fans to stay in their seats.


The ballparks will also feature constant advertising and the ability to buy things from your seat. If we're not all brains in jars.
   27. Golfing Great Mitch Cumstein Posted: July 08, 2014 at 05:10 AM (#4745851)
Ehh, I don't know if I'd call any of those beers "premium" or "craft." Both Shock Top and Goose Island are actually Anheuser-Busch/InBev/whatever the hell it is.


You my friend don't understand branding! Or well, you understand it too well. Guarantee that "premium craft lager made in small batches" by fine craftsman with awesome full beards" costs the same or even less to make than the cheap ####.

And they make 5% higher margin on it. Somebody gets those in bev ad execs a cold one on me!


Shock Top was a brand created by AB, Goose Island is a craft brewer that AB bought and brews outside of the Chicago area. Two different things.

I don't know what the second poster is referring to . If it is to the faux craft brewer phenomenon (Shock Top, Blue Moon), there is an increased cost in not using corn and rice and using more hops. It's not significant, but neither is the difference in the price.
   28. McCoy Posted: July 08, 2014 at 07:08 AM (#4745858)
Something like blue moon should be much cheaper. That it isn't is largely because of marketing. Shock top is much cheaper than blue moon. Craft brews are generally more expensive because of ingredients and because the companies themselves are not as efficient as the big boys.
   29. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 08, 2014 at 07:49 AM (#4745868)
ballpark service typically is bad anyway as it is a rotten job for rotten wages. better to move things like this to automation (SCARY ROBOTS!)
   30. McCoy Posted: July 08, 2014 at 08:23 AM (#4745877)
Perhaps in some places but a lot of ballpark vendors operate with union employees and the wages and benefits are far from rotten.
   31. depletion Posted: July 08, 2014 at 08:34 AM (#4745882)
Visiting Germany in 1972 I noticed beer vending machines. I think this is a bad idea for the ballpark, however. It's a good thing to have a pair of human eyes assess an alcoholic beverage buyer and be able to determine "sorry, I think you've had enough."
   32. Jeff R., P***y Mainlander Posted: July 08, 2014 at 09:14 AM (#4745907)
Visiting Germany in 1972 I noticed beer vending machines.


My dad served on a radar base in Germany during the Vietnam War. His biggest complaint was when they moved his department up a floor, which meant they then had to go down a floor to get to the beer vending machine.
   33. McCoy Posted: July 08, 2014 at 09:22 AM (#4745916)
It's a good thing to have a pair of human eyes assess an alcoholic beverage buyer and be able to determine "sorry, I think you've had enough."

Alas, generally when that statement is uttered the buyer should have stopped 3 drinks earlier.
   34. Curse of the Andino Posted: July 08, 2014 at 09:26 AM (#4745918)
Japan has beer vending machines everywhere. Or at least, had.
   35. Jeff Frances the Mute Posted: July 08, 2014 at 09:54 AM (#4745949)
Shock Top was a brand created by AB, Goose Island is a craft brewer that AB bought and brews outside of the Chicago area. Two different things


Most of Goose Island's production is coming out of AB facilities now. Stuff like 312 is faux craft at this point so they are pretty much the same thing.
   36. DL from MN Posted: July 08, 2014 at 10:02 AM (#4745957)
Summit and Surly are both available at Target Field along with Fulton, Schell's, Grain Belt, Lift Bridge and Leinenkugel's.
   37. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: July 08, 2014 at 10:20 AM (#4745965)

Something like blue moon should be much cheaper. That it isn't is largely because of marketing.

Much cheaper than it currently is, or much cheaper than the generic Coors/Coors Light brands?
   38. Bourbon Samurai Posted: July 08, 2014 at 10:23 AM (#4745967)
Japan has beer vending machines everywhere. Or at least, had.


there is one about 20 feet from me right now
   39. just plain joe Posted: July 08, 2014 at 11:05 AM (#4745995)
My dad served on a radar base in Germany during the Vietnam War. His biggest complaint was when they moved his department up a floor, which meant they then had to go down a floor to get to the beer vending machine.


When I was in the Air Force (mid-seventies) beer machines were ubiquitous in the barracks; I want to say that the beer was 35 or 40 cents a can, but don't really remember. Despite the relatively high price (cold beer could be purchased for $1.50/six pack at the Base Exchange), the machines were quite handy if one was too lazy to venture outside. Supposedly the beer machine profits went to fund the squadron's athletic teams; I do know that we had extensive recreational leagues in numerous sports that never cost us a cent.
   40. Topher Posted: July 08, 2014 at 11:06 AM (#4745996)
I was at Target Field on Sunday and walked past the machine. There were a couple of folks struggling to figure out how it worked. I'm 99% sure that the photo in the linked article is the only place in the lower concourse where you see the machines. My mom visited the stadium for the first time so we showed up 90 minutes early and walked around. Pretty sure I didn't miss any others. I'd think for them to be successful you'd need to have more than just the four taps in the ballpark. I'd be pretty upset to buy a $50 card and then discover I couldn't really use it because the lines for the four taps were so ridiculously long.
   41. McCoy Posted: July 08, 2014 at 11:09 AM (#4746002)
Re 37. Much cheaper than it currently is. Blue moon doesn't use liquid corn like colors and miller has in their beer but they also don't use a ton of hops and expensive ingredients. Shock top and blue moon are essentially the same beer with the same ingredients yet shock top is much cheaper.
   42. BDC Posted: July 08, 2014 at 11:10 AM (#4746005)
"Faux craft" is a good term for some minor brands produced by huge brewers, but OTOH the product can be very reliable and quite acceptable. If your ballpark offers 312 on tap it probably doesn't offer a huge number of better options.

It took me a couple of pints to figure out the name was Three One Two as in the Chicago area code. There's an Austin brewery that's similarly 512. I kept saying Five Twelve and being mocked by hipsters :)
   43. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: July 08, 2014 at 11:28 AM (#4746018)
The price of all hops has skyrocketed over the past decade (doubled price per pound), some specific types, like Cascade are expected to climb much higher. It appears some farmers in the NW pulled back on growing hops 5-8 years ago, and that explains part of the current price bump, coinciding with renewed high demand for the hops. I guess it takes a good 3 years for a new crop to emerge.
   44. I Am Not a Number Posted: July 08, 2014 at 11:51 AM (#4746038)
Self-serve beer stations are up and running in Target Field

And handguns will be given to the first 20,000 fans. Those coming later will get batteries and firecrackers.
   45. boteman Posted: July 08, 2014 at 12:10 PM (#4746059)
It took me a couple of pints to figure out the name was Three One Two as in the Chicago area code.

Just like 305 brand cigarettes down in Miami, that's O.G. wha-whuuu?? None of that overlay area code stuff!
   46. Golfing Great Mitch Cumstein Posted: July 08, 2014 at 02:35 PM (#4746220)

Most of Goose Island's production is coming out of AB facilities now. Stuff like 312 is faux craft at this point so they are pretty much the same thing.


312 was created by a craft brewer and its recipe hasn't changed, it's just being brewed and distributed by AB. Being brewed by AB isn't a bad thing considering the skill technology that the company has. That's very different than Blue Moon and Shock Top, which are just bland beers marketed to seem like they are craft.
   47. McCoy Posted: July 08, 2014 at 02:41 PM (#4746222)
Pretty much any craft brew that can be had nationally is brewed on contract by somebody other than the hipster in his brewery garage.
   48. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 08, 2014 at 02:51 PM (#4746229)
It's a good thing to have a pair of human eyes assess an alcoholic beverage buyer and be able to determine "sorry, I think you've had enough."

Supposedly, they do that:
An employee will be at each one to check IDs if a person looks younger than 30 and to prevent any fan who appears inebriated from purchasing beer.

They check IDs when you buy the aptly-named "pre-loaded" card, and then have another employee at the tap to deter over-indulgence or passing the card on to under-age drinkers. Could work, but probably not any better than the current system, which is so-so. People who want to get drunk usually find a way to do so.
   49. Manny Coon Posted: July 08, 2014 at 03:03 PM (#4746240)
So a can's worth of Bud Light would be $4.56, and a can's worth of premium beer would be $4.80.

For 24 cents more, who wouldn't get the better beer?


Because cheap beer is "drinkable" for people don't really like the taste of beer, but still feel the need to drink a lot of beer. You could probably offer my brother a choice of Bud Light or Pliny the Elder for the same price and he'd take the Bud Light.
   50. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: July 08, 2014 at 03:21 PM (#4746256)
Visiting Germany in 1972 I noticed beer vending machines.
I did an internship in the early 90s at an aircraft engine manufacturing facility. I was told that it wasn't *that* long before then (I took them to mean within the previous decade) that there were beer vending machines on the shop floor.
   51. Jeff Frances the Mute Posted: July 08, 2014 at 04:00 PM (#4746287)
Pretty much any craft brew that can be had nationally is brewed on contract by somebody other than the hipster in his brewery garage.


Unless you consider Sam Adams and the other brands that are owned by AB/InBEV craft beer then I think this is a misleading statement. Most (not all) of the large craft brewers are not contract brewing their beer.
   52. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 08, 2014 at 04:07 PM (#4746298)
Because cheap beer is "drinkable" for people don't really like the taste of beer . . .

And tastes vary. Not everyone prefers the heavily-hopped, more bitter beers that are often found among the craft brewers. If your tastes run more to the lager/pilsner side of the spectrum, the large producers may be your best bet, depending on what else is available. It's hard to account for beer preferences - I'm told there are places that claim to be part of the civilized world that serve beer at room temperature.
   53. McCoy Posted: July 08, 2014 at 04:47 PM (#4746394)
Sam Adams is brewed in Cincinnati and PA. They no longer contract out their beer but that is largely because AB called them out on it and they suffered some bad PR and they eventually bought their own breweries. Brooklyn Brewery is also contracted out to Utica.

What I meant really is that almost any brewery that can sell nationally requires a lot more space and facilities than the small shop/warehouse that most of these guys start in. Thus eventually they contract out or they get bought by a bigger company who moves the production around the country. Yuengling has three breweries, Sam Adams has three I believe and none gets made in Boston, almost all of Brooklyn's beer is made outside of Brooklyn, Sierra Nevada is a contract beer, Goose Island got bought out and has much larger facilities making the beer.

Contract brewing shouldn't be a stigma. If you've got a good recipe and you're working with people that know what they are doing you can produce beer at cheaper costs that is more consistent and with less shortages. That is a good thing.
   54. bjhanke Posted: July 08, 2014 at 05:10 PM (#4746443)
No fair! I want a Pot-in-the-Box machine. - Brock Hanke
   55. depletion Posted: July 08, 2014 at 05:58 PM (#4746534)
"I did an internship in the early 90s at an aircraft engine manufacturing facility. I was told that it wasn't *that* long before then (I took them to mean within the previous decade) that there were beer vending machines on the shop floor."

Not aircraft engines, but liquid fueled ICBM's (Titan), were built at Martin Marietta outside Denver. They had tap beer in the cafeteria circa 1981-1982.
   56. BDC Posted: July 08, 2014 at 05:59 PM (#4746535)
cheap beer is "drinkable" for people don't really like the taste of beer

I may have told this story here before, but last year the Red Sox were in Arlington and some Boston fans were checking out the Beers of Texas stand, which features local indie beers. One of them said "Dad only likes Ultra. Ask them what they have that's closest to Ultra." I thought, ######, there's a water fountain right over there, that's closest.

I agree that not every glass of beer has to be an Imperial Headache. On a hot day a Corona suits me fine. But I draw the line at the ubiquitous American lite beers. At that rate you're better off upending a shot of cheap vodka and chasing it with seltzer.
   57. Jeff Frances the Mute Posted: July 08, 2014 at 06:03 PM (#4746541)
What I meant really is that almost any brewery that can sell nationally requires a lot more space and facilities than the small shop/warehouse that most of these guys start in. Thus eventually they contract out or they get bought by a bigger company who moves the production around the country. Yuengling has three breweries, Sam Adams has three I believe and none gets made in Boston, almost all of Brooklyn's beer is made outside of Brooklyn, Sierra Nevada is a contract beer, Goose Island got bought out and has much larger facilities making the beer.


This is still not an accurate statement. Sierra Nevada is not a contract brewer, but they do own and operate multiple facilities. Stone, Dogfish Head, New Belgium, Lagunitas, etc do not contract their beers and are, at least, mostly owned by the founders. In theory, there is nothing wrong with contract brewing, but many of the largest American craft brewers have not expanded that way.
   58. bjhanke Posted: July 09, 2014 at 04:06 AM (#4746763)
I worked for Anheuser-Busch at corporate HQ in STL for several months in 1969-70, and they had a very humorous, but also very effective, use for beer machines. They were everywhere, and they had no money input part, so they weren't really "vending" machines. The beer was free. Just open the top of the cooler and pull one out. One catch: If you are EVER caught impaired at work, even once, even lightly impaired, you are immediately fired, no procedures involved. It was in your original employment contract.

It was hilarious because here was a beer company giving out all the beer you could drink to its employees. But it was also VERY effective, as it got the alcoholics (and every alcoholic in town applied to work at A-B) out of there. In fact, the reason it was so effective was that there were so many of those beer coolers. Basically, one every two intersections or so. An alcoholic just can't resist THAT much temptation. So he'll go one too many - or more. And then, he will go home. In a taxi. The only reason he will come back is to retrieve his car.

I got the good end of the deal. I really cannot stand the taste of alcohol, so I don't drink it, in any form. The coolers were, essentially, invisible to me. Worked real well - for ME. - Brock Hanke
   59. base ball chick Posted: July 09, 2014 at 11:40 AM (#4746908)
boteman is not here 'til October Posted: July 08, 2014 at 12:43 AM (#4745820)

#22 - I've seen a photo on the Net of a bar with built-in urinals under the rail. Could have been Photoshopped, but life is just strange enough that I want to believe that such a bar exists. Talk about the ultimate in convenience and recycling!


- talk about finding the best way EVAH to keep females out of a bar

bjhanke Posted: July 09, 2014 at 04:06 AM (#4746763)

I worked for Anheuser-Busch at corporate HQ in STL for several months in 1969-70, and they had a very humorous, but also very effective, use for beer machines. They were everywhere, and they had no money input part, so they weren't really "vending" machines. The beer was free. Just open the top of the cooler and pull one out. One catch: If you are EVER caught impaired at work, even once, even lightly impaired, you are immediately fired, no procedures involved. It was in your original employment contract.


- how did they decide what "impaired" was - a breathalyzer? or something else? guessing? couldn't they fire anyone by saying he/she was "impaired" even if they didn't drink?


I got the good end of the deal. I really cannot stand the taste of alcohol, so I don't drink it, in any form. The coolers were, essentially, invisible to me. Worked real well - for ME


- well brock
from what i read the other day, you and me got a much shorter life span because of refusing to drink. looks like you have got the odds beat, which cheers me up seeing as how i figured i am gonna die young. but at least i am gonna die sober


and as for all those - all you can drink machines - at target field -

are there gonna be extra police around to deal with all those drunks and drunk drivers? because it is almost always males who do the heavy drinking and those males are the kind of people who get hostile and violent with alcohol in them. and it won't look real too good for bud n gang to have bryan stow incidents happening in or out of the park

in all the years i went to the Box, i only saw a few actually drunk people in the stands a few times, and i noticed them because security got called and in that park, security is almost never called
   60. villageidiom Posted: July 09, 2014 at 11:50 AM (#4746919)
- well brock
from what i read the other day, you and me got a much shorter life span because of refusing to drink. looks like you have got the odds beat, which cheers me up seeing as how i figured i am gonna die young. but at least i am gonna die sober
That makes three of us.
   61. base ball chick Posted: July 09, 2014 at 12:22 PM (#4746951)
vi

i think you are youngern brock, who i think is about andy's age
and you are oldern me

so now that i know i am gonna die younger from refusing to drink (do i get even less time from refusing to do drugs too?) i wonder just HOW much time i am supposed to get docked for being healthy and sober. i already get get a shorter time because of my race

i think there are a few more of us who won't drink alcohol

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