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Saturday, February 18, 2012

ESPN apologizes for offensive headline on mobile sites for Jeremy Lin story

ESPN has apologized for using a racial slur in a headline for a story on Knicks sensation Jeremy Lin.

ESPN ran the headline “Chink in the Armor” after Lin had nine turnovers in New York’s loss to the New Orleans Hornets on Friday night on its mobile website that could be seen on phones and tablet computers.

Lin is the NBA’s first American-born player of Chinese or Taiwanese descent. He has captivated sports fans with unexpected dominance on the court that sparked a seven-game winning streak.

ESPN says in a statement Saturday it removed the headline 35 minutes after it was posted. The cable network says it is “conducting a complete review of our cross-platform editorial procedures and are determining appropriate disciplinary action to ensure this does not happen again. We regret and apologize for this mistake.”

The story was first reported by Outsports.com.

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   101. Morty Causa Posted: February 20, 2012 at 12:46 AM (#4064556)
Some people with candyass sensibilities need to get a grip, and a good way to do that is to view educational videos like "Use of 'N-Word' May End Porn Star's Career" at The Onion. I didn't link it because of the language--but it's hilariously on-point.
   102. Paul D(uda) Posted: February 20, 2012 at 01:14 AM (#4064564)

Well, if we can turn this to gaming for a second...

We played King of Tokyo, The Saboteur, Shadow Hunters and Bang! today.

Man do we ever love Shadow Hunters
   103. McCoy Posted: February 20, 2012 at 01:23 AM (#4064570)
I took the opinion that if people percieve it to be a slur then it's a slur regardless of its progeny

And if you say hello to someone and they get insulted because it contains the word "hell" then what? Just because somebody gets insulted doesn't mean they are justified in being insulted or that anyone besides that insulted person has to do something and what they have to do about it mainly is to get over it.
   104. Everybody Loves Tyrus Raymond Posted: February 20, 2012 at 01:37 AM (#4064577)
That's because you might not be a die-hard conservative/right-winger. For them, the "Thought Police" and the "PC thugs" are always around and ready to attack the defenceless people who say something "silly" or "funny" about someone of a different race/gender/ethnicity/religion.


No, the left long ago declared open season on Christianity. But skewer one of their sacred cows, and look out.
   105. HOLLA(R) Posted: February 20, 2012 at 02:10 AM (#4064580)
Well, if we can turn this to gaming for a second


I finally bought Puerto Rico. That was a good idea.

Also, suspending the anchor for what amounts to absolutely nothing seems rather moronic. Not that I expect more from ESPN.
   106. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: February 20, 2012 at 02:15 AM (#4064581)
I thought the expression was "kink" in the armour, but this thread shows me to be wrong.

Perhaps you just need to iron out the kinks in your mixed metaphors?
   107. Tripon Posted: February 20, 2012 at 02:24 AM (#4064582)
102. Paul D (AKA The Other Canadian) Posted: February 20, 2012 at 12:14 AM (#4064564)

Well, if we can turn this to gaming for a second...

We played King of Tokyo, The Saboteur, Shadow Hunters and Bang! today.

Man do we ever love Shadow Hunters


I bought two new games over the past month, Final Fantasy XIII-2, and Soul Caliber 5.

SC5 has the best fighting engine of the series, but very few frills.
   108. Sunday silence Posted: February 20, 2012 at 02:38 AM (#4064584)
And if you say hello to someone and they get insulted because it contains the word "hell" then what? Just because somebody gets insulted doesn't mean they are justified in being insulted or that anyone besides that insulted person has to do something and what they have to do about it mainly is to get over it


well "yeah" that's what I was saying in the rest of the passage, which I guess you read and got the pt.

I really dont care for P.Rico for some reason; although I will play it when it's brought out. And probably lose because I didnt build a wharehouse and my stuff wastes on the wharf or whatever. Either that or that time they said I couldnt re-arrange my houses in order to fit that final building onto my layout sheet or whatever.

Saboteur is kinda dumb because you can be really great at bluff or run some really neat mind games but you still lose because the other side was lucky enuf to fit the right piece into the tunnel. I think games like that are better in more pure form e.g. werewolfe; but The resistance is pretty good with the advanced rules also.

And Bang is like a 30 sec. gun fight that takes two hours to play out so I didnt really like it the one time. But a lot of people like that sort of format, there's no denying that. I find it hard to suspend disbelief when there is a large disconnect between what time frame you are simulating vis a vis the actual time to play it out. E..g formula de.
   109. McCoy Posted: February 20, 2012 at 03:05 AM (#4064595)
well "yeah" that's what I was saying in the rest of the passage, which I guess you read and got the pt.

The rest of your post was about how it was a slur but it shouldn't be a big deal. That isn't what I am saying. I'm not saying it is a slur and it isn't a big deal. I'm saying it isn't a slur so there is no real issue and if someone takes issue with it then that is on them.

Just because somebody got insulted doesn't mean someone tried to insult them or that there really was an insult.
   110. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: February 20, 2012 at 04:12 AM (#4064600)
Some people with candyass sensibilities need to get a grip, and a good way to do that is to view educational videos like "Use of 'N-Word' May End Porn Star's Career" at The Onion. I didn't link it because of the language--but it's hilariously on-point.


I'll link this video that I love with hilariously bad language about the "N-Word". I wouldn't watch it where the fainthearted could hear.
   111. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: February 20, 2012 at 04:18 AM (#4064601)
Just because somebody got insulted doesn't mean someone tried to insult them or that there really was an insult.


Honestly, this has never happened to me in non-internet life. I think there's something about the internet that makes it way easier to call out offense than in real life. In actual personal interaction, saying that wat someone said isn't really cool tends to create a pretty awkward social situation for everybody.

Usually when I've said something insulting it's because I actually meant it to be insulting, however I can give a lot of backdoor insults. Like when I told a younger person that if my life was like theirs, I would probably kill myself. I didn't mean it to be an insult, but it pretty much was. You'd consider that an insult, even if when I was saying it I didn't mean it to be, right?
   112. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: February 20, 2012 at 07:22 AM (#4064612)
You know, somebody called me fat once, and I have to admit, I was enormously hurt, and the experience left me massively scarred. So I think that nobody should be allowed to use the word fat any more, in any context, since it's so hugely offensive.
Why should I be reminded of such a massively traumatic experience every day of my life. Yet people continue to throw around the three letter f-word, seemingly without weighing the colossal impact this can have on peoples lives. And don't get me started on food packaging. Every time I pick up something at the supermarket, it's like a big insult, staring me right in the face. How can giant companies get away with printing the fat content of their food right there on the packet?! Everybody should be made to stop using that word!
   113. JE (Jason) Posted: February 20, 2012 at 07:32 AM (#4064613)
Has anyone at ESPN been canned or suspended for making SportsCenter pretty much unwatchable?
   114. Joey B.: posting for the kids of northeast Ohio Posted: February 20, 2012 at 11:19 AM (#4064665)
This is a baseball site. There will be no more political threads until the site updates are complete and we have a method for safely quarantining political threads so the 99.9999% of people who want to talk about baseball aren’t constantly hijacked by the 0.0001% of self-righteous trolls.

I'll believe it when I see it, but if they're really serious, then all I can say is hallelujah, and it's about freaking time. The red diaper babies and political operatives have been hijacking the primary content of this site for years now. I just wish that Dan wouldn't encourage them in the first place.
   115. McCoy Posted: February 20, 2012 at 11:43 AM (#4064677)
Just means more room for food and beer threads!

You know Harris Teeter is supposed to be this upscale grocery store but their prepared section leaves a lot to be desired.
   116. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: February 20, 2012 at 11:47 AM (#4064680)
You know Harris Teeter is supposed to be this upscale grocery store but their prepared section leaves a lot to be desired.
I agree 100% with this. (As for Lin, I'm pretty much with tshipman.)
   117. McCoy Posted: February 20, 2012 at 12:09 PM (#4064689)
I went to So's Your Mom yesterday and got the hot pastrami. It was decent but they charged me $6.90 for two pieces of sliced sandwich bread, mustard, swiss, and some pastrami. Hell, I could have gone to the grocery store and bought enough product for 6 sandwiches at that price. If you are going to charge that kind of money for your product it should be pretty unique. Today I think I'll try Taylor Gourmet.
   118. Random Transaction Generator Posted: February 20, 2012 at 12:20 PM (#4064694)
No, the left long ago declared open season on Christianity. But skewer one of their sacred cows, and look out.

Is this sarcasm? Do you really think that "the left" is attacking Christianity?

From Jon Stewart:

"You have confused a war on religion with not always getting everything you want. It's called being part of a society – not everything goes your way,"
   119. DanG Posted: February 20, 2012 at 12:27 PM (#4064695)
I honestly don't understand what this controversy is all about.

Now if the player in question was ever charged in a paternity suit, I could understand all the flax over Lin seed.
   120. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: February 20, 2012 at 12:28 PM (#4064696)
The red diaper babies and political operatives have been hijacking the primary content of this site for years now.


For the severalth time, please stop using phrases you don't know the definition of. If there are two actual "red diaper babies" who post on this site, I'd be quite surprised.

Really, now -- just because Michael Savage said it, you don't have to repeat it. It makes you look really stupid.

More than usual, I mean.

   121. Paul D(uda) Posted: February 20, 2012 at 12:28 PM (#4064697)

I bought two new games over the past month, Final Fantasy XIII-2, and Soul Caliber 5.

I was talking about board games... but I've recently been playing Space Marine and Saints Row the Third.
   122. Paul D(uda) Posted: February 20, 2012 at 12:30 PM (#4064698)
I finally bought Puerto Rico. That was a good idea.

This is one of the few games that receives popular acclaim that I don't like that much. I found that there just wasn't enough interaction with other players in this game. Killer Bunnies is the other game that we didn't really take to.
   123. Chicago Joe Posted: February 20, 2012 at 12:37 PM (#4064703)
It makes you look really stupid.


No, he's just trying to hijack the primary content of this site.
   124. Morty Causa Posted: February 20, 2012 at 12:44 PM (#4064711)
"Red diaper babies"? Awreet.
   125. LionoftheSenate (Brewers v A's World Series) Posted: February 20, 2012 at 12:50 PM (#4064714)
Off with their heads!
   126. Lassus Posted: February 20, 2012 at 12:51 PM (#4064716)
I would be genuinely interested in Esoteric's position here. Primarily for how he thought of the headline, if it was indeed an ethnic slur.


The red diaper babies and political operatives have been hijacking the primary content of this site for years now.

Joey, it has been pointed out to you at in least 15-20 threads how you've been the initial political comment in that thread. That you refuse to acknowledge it does not make it not so.

   127. Chicago Joe Posted: February 20, 2012 at 12:57 PM (#4064719)
That you refuse to acknowledge it does not make it not so.


Why are you wasting your time with this? You should be drowning Christianity in a bathtub with the rest of us.
   128. Dale Sams Posted: February 20, 2012 at 01:05 PM (#4064723)
When's the last time Comedy Central censored a show because Christians got all hot and bothered?

That's all I got. See y'all in Branson!
   129. Morty Causa Posted: February 20, 2012 at 01:09 PM (#4064726)
Drop kick me, Jesus, through the goal posts of Heaven....
   130. Joey B.: posting for the kids of northeast Ohio Posted: February 20, 2012 at 01:12 PM (#4064731)
Joey, it has been pointed out to you at in least 15-20 threads how you've been the initial political comment in that thread. That you refuse to acknowledge it does not make it not so.

What a bunch of bull. I've done once or twice tops. And if I remember correctly, you were the one who hijacked the Starlin Castro thread that has now been deleted.
   131. Swoboda is freedom Posted: February 20, 2012 at 01:14 PM (#4064736)
I finally bought Puerto Rico. That was a good idea

President McKinley?
   132. Random Transaction Generator Posted: February 20, 2012 at 01:21 PM (#4064745)
When's the last time Comedy Central censored a show because Christians got all hot and bothered?

Aren't all the shows on Comedy Central "bleeped" for "inappropriate" language?
And isn't that because Christian organizations insist that "naughty" language be censored on television?
Therefore, doesn't that make ALL of the shows on Comedy Central censored because Christians get all hot and bothered?
   133. Lassus Posted: February 20, 2012 at 01:25 PM (#4064748)
What a bunch of bull. I've done once or twice tops.

Yeah, no.


And if I remember correctly, you were the one who hijacked the Starlin Castro thread that has now been deleted.

On like page 30, 15 lefty/righty hijacks in, to stop some kind of heated tiresome common political argument, I hijacked the thread to the ELECTION. I do not drop in to hijacks baseball threads. See the previous page.
   134. SoSH U at work Posted: February 20, 2012 at 01:28 PM (#4064751)

What a bunch of bull. I've done once or twice tops. And if I remember correctly, you were the one who hijacked the Starlin Castro thread that has now been deleted.


Highjacked it? It was, from the outset, a thread about rape. There may not be many things worse than political threads, but I'm pretty sure 7,000-post threads about sexual assault with viewpoints offered almost exclusively by men is one of them.

   135. Tripon Posted: February 20, 2012 at 01:38 PM (#4064758)
Guys, you're hijacking a good games/food/whatever thread for politics.
   136. McCoy Posted: February 20, 2012 at 01:48 PM (#4064766)
Safeway has got to have the greatest tasting brownies I have ever had in my life but they make you #### like crazy and break out something fierce afterwards. Granted that may be because I eat over a pound of them in 24 hours but that is a small price to pay for such goodness.
   137. Jittery McFrog Posted: February 20, 2012 at 01:50 PM (#4064768)
Question for boardgamers on this thread:

My wife and I have recently got into card/board games and are looking for a new game or two. To give a sense of what we like, we love Dominion and especially Race for the Galaxy, like Caylus except that it's a bit long/messy, are "meh" re Settlers of Catan, and found Carcasonne kinda dull. Strongly war-themed games are unlikely to be a hit. Any recommendations?
   138. Dale Sams Posted: February 20, 2012 at 01:51 PM (#4064769)
I've never been big on grocery store bakeries. No matter how good the croissants look.
   139. Chicago Joe Posted: February 20, 2012 at 01:51 PM (#4064770)
There may not be many things worse than political threads, but I'm pretty sure 7,000-post threads about sexual assault with viewpoints offered almost exclusively by men is one of them.


To be sure, the thread was off Castro by #500 or so.
   140. Dale Sams Posted: February 20, 2012 at 01:52 PM (#4064772)
Aren't all the shows on Comedy Central "bleeped" for "inappropriate" language?
And isn't that because Christian organizations insist that "naughty" language be censored on television?
Therefore, doesn't that make ALL of the shows on Comedy Central censored because Christians get all hot and bothered?


Just because I have three legs, doesn't make me a table.
   141. McCoy Posted: February 20, 2012 at 01:53 PM (#4064774)
Any recommendations?

Interstellar Pig.
   142. McCoy Posted: February 20, 2012 at 01:55 PM (#4064776)
I've never been big on grocery store bakeries. No matter how good the croissants look.

I've never bought anything from a grocery store bakery before the brownies. I had a brownie craving, didn't want to make them and saw them at the store. So I bought them and about 50 lbs of brownies later I find myself having to force myself from going to the store for more. I'd have to say those brownies are a big part of the reason I'm closer to 180 than 170. Plus they have doughnuts!
   143. tshipman Posted: February 20, 2012 at 01:55 PM (#4064777)
Regarding the original topic of the thread:

The ESPN editor fired Sunday for using "chink in the armor" in a headline about Knicks phenom Jeremy Lin said the racial slur never crossed his mind - and he was devastated when he realized his mistake.

"This had nothing to do with me being cute or punny," Anthony Federico told the Daily News.

"I'm so sorry that I offended people. I'm so sorry if I offended Jeremy."


I guess I find it slightly hard to believe that the expression never crossed his mind, but he did say that it was the last headline he wrote at 2:30 am. I feel bad for the guy if this whole thing is true--a pretty bad lapse in judgment at the worst possible time cost him his job. It probably demonstrates how lax the editorial process is at ESPN than anything else.

   144. SoSH U at work Posted: February 20, 2012 at 01:57 PM (#4064781)
To be sure, the thread was off Castro by #500 or so.


Sure, but it was never on baseball. Whatever highjacking took place merely moved it from one OT subject to another.

There are examples of baseball threads that get taken in non-baseball directions, and that can be frustrating. This was most definitely not one of those times.

   145. Tripon Posted: February 20, 2012 at 02:03 PM (#4064785)
Aren't all the shows on Comedy Central "bleeped" for "inappropriate" language?


Comedy Central will run uncensored specials after 12AM sometimes. Since it's cable, its not subject to FCC regulation, despite how much certain people wish it was.
   146. Greg K Posted: February 20, 2012 at 02:06 PM (#4064788)
I always thought 'kink' meant weird, or out of place.

I think it means a twist or bend.

"There's a kink in the road up ahead"

Apparently it's a 17th century import from the Dutch to describe a twist in a rope.
   147. SoSH U at work Posted: February 20, 2012 at 02:27 PM (#4064802)
I think it means a twist or bend.


It's not hard to see how one would get them confused. You'd find a kink in the chain.
   148. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 20, 2012 at 02:31 PM (#4064808)
It's not hard to see how one would get them confused. You'd find a kink in the chain.

True. But once you focus on the meaning of "kink", e.g. "kink in the line", "kink in the rope", "kink in the hose", it obviously makes no sense with armor.

My personal favorite of these "misheard sayings" is "get un-tracked", instead of "get on-track", b/c the bastardized version means the exact opposite of what you want to do.

Another good one is "tough road to hoe:, instead of the proper "tough row to hoe". No idea why you'd hoe a road?
   149. HOLLA(R) Posted: February 20, 2012 at 02:43 PM (#4064822)
I found that there just wasn't enough interaction with other players in this game


I find myself leaning more towards the games that favor screwing everyone else over as much as possible in your own self-interest these days, and ideally PR has large amounts of that. Also recently tried Acquire, which was quite fun, and El Grande, which I'm very certain I was doing wrong. I find board games are a great way to interact with friends over the winter before I ignore them all in favor of baseball all summer long.
   150. tshipman Posted: February 20, 2012 at 02:45 PM (#4064824)
My personal favorite of these "misheard sayings" is "get un-tracked", instead of "get on-track", b/c the bastardized version means the exact opposite of what you want to do.


I like chomping vs. champing (at the bit, obviously). A lot of these sayings being shifted/losing meaning seem to reflect our growing distance from an agricultural past. People who use road to hoe vs. row probably don't think that Row makes any sense, because they don't have the context of a row of beans or whatever. Chomp vs. champ is the same thing.
   151. SoSH U at work Posted: February 20, 2012 at 02:52 PM (#4064830)
My personal favorite of these "misheard sayings" is "get un-tracked", instead of "get on-track", b/c the bastardized version means the exact opposite of what you want to do.


What, you think a derailment is a bad thing?

   152. McCoy Posted: February 20, 2012 at 03:07 PM (#4064841)
I always liked Family Business when I was a kid. I have no idea how I would view it nowadays.

Apparently Guillotine is a better version of the game.
   153. Jittery McFrog Posted: February 20, 2012 at 03:37 PM (#4064865)
McCoy: Thanks for the suggestions. ~JM
   154. Random Transaction Generator Posted: February 20, 2012 at 03:41 PM (#4064868)
Just because I have three legs, doesn't make me a table.


Is this code for something? I have no clue what you are trying to say at this point.

I guess my only response would be:

The blue dog barks at midnight.
   155. McCoy Posted: February 20, 2012 at 03:41 PM (#4064869)
The hungry rabbit jumps.
   156. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: February 20, 2012 at 03:48 PM (#4064871)
My hovercraft is full of eels
   157. Chicago Joe Posted: February 20, 2012 at 03:51 PM (#4064873)
The second drummer drowned.
   158. Dale Sams Posted: February 20, 2012 at 03:51 PM (#4064874)
The black dog barks at night, the black dog barks at night.
   159. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 20, 2012 at 03:53 PM (#4064876)

True. But once you focus on the meaning of "kink", e.g. "kink in the line", "kink in the rope", "kink in the hose", it obviously makes no sense with armor.

My personal favorite of these "misheard sayings" is "get un-tracked", instead of "get on-track", b/c the bastardized version means the exact opposite of what you want to do.

Another good one is "tough road to hoe:, instead of the proper "tough row to hoe". No idea why you'd hoe a road?


For all intensive purposes its a mute point.
   160. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: February 20, 2012 at 03:55 PM (#4064877)
The pearl is in the river.
   161. Sunday silence Posted: February 20, 2012 at 04:01 PM (#4064882)
Mcfrog: Thunderstone is like a upgrade on Dominion, I sort of like it better because you sort of upgrade your guys or whatever they are that fight monsters. I dont know how long youve played Dominion but you might begin to tire of it and the knockoffs at some pt. Yomi is quite new and getting a strong buzz, it's a fighting game to be sure but you sort of string together combinations of cards in order to get better hits.

You might like, Biblios, it's basically cards, the theme is just pasted on, but you're trying to get majorities of certain suits (I think they are religious items for game purposes but again this is just tacked on). It's mostly done through bidding and auctioning your cards so you have to sort of build your hand and decide what to toss out and what to keep. I think it plays 2 or 3 players. It gets mostly very good reviews.

Revolution has a board to go with cards, but getting almost universal acclaim. it's sort of a rock scissors paper thing with Gold/Blackmail and power that you place on certain areas of the board. But each area has it's own particular modification to that. Just guessing based on your tastes and its positive reviews. again it plays more than 2.

oh yeah; St. Petersburg is pretty good you get a hand of cards and you bid on more cards. The theme is Russia pre revolution and you are bidding on workers, buildings, and nobles and these in turn generate gold and victory pts and ability to build more buildings and stuff. It has bidding and deck building mainly and you have to weight e.g. short term income vs long term victory pts and stuff.
   162. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: February 20, 2012 at 04:24 PM (#4064893)
I like chomping vs. champing (at the bit, obviously).


Wait, there is a difference? I thought chomp and champ were synonyms.
   163. Chicago Joe Posted: February 20, 2012 at 04:29 PM (#4064896)
Wait, there is a difference? I thought chomp and champ were synonyms.


A nag chomps. A thoroughbred champs.
   164. DA Baracus Posted: February 20, 2012 at 04:43 PM (#4064900)
I was watching The West Wing last night and in the background they had a newscast on and the anchor said "this latest development could be a chink in the armor" in reference to negotiations.

With China. Oops.

   165. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 20, 2012 at 04:49 PM (#4064904)
"My wife is Asian" is the new "some of my best friends are black."
   166. formerly dp Posted: February 20, 2012 at 04:51 PM (#4064909)
You know Harris Teeter is supposed to be this upscale grocery store but their prepared section leaves a lot to be desired.

The Piggly Wiggly down the road from me recently started stocking craft beer and doing growler fills. It's awesome. When he took over the store, the manager (a beer enthusiast) cleared out all of the wine that hadn't been selling well and replaced it with a growler station/build your own sixer rack.

It's generally a pretty worthless grocery store, but I'm there ay least once a week for refills.
   167. Greg K Posted: February 20, 2012 at 05:29 PM (#4064949)
I like "tow the line". Which I guess might make some sense. Maybe you're pulling a long line of people behind you.
   168. McCoy Posted: February 20, 2012 at 05:29 PM (#4064951)
Sounds pretty cool. I would love it if my local grocery stores would allow you to make your own six pack. Since they don't I have to go to the local upscale beer and wine stores to do it and they charge an arm and a leg to do it. Either that or I have to drive over to VA to go to a Total Wine store which I really don't want to do.
   169. Something Other Posted: February 22, 2012 at 02:55 PM (#4066288)
We used to play this awesome card game where the subject was the French Revolution. It's more a respite game between bouts of Axis and Allies than something you'd want to play all evening, but in short bursts it was a blast. Think it was made by Cheapass Games...

The red diaper babies and political operatives have been hijacking the primary content of this site for years now.

Joey, it has been pointed out to you at in least 15-20 threads how you've been the initial political comment in that thread. That you refuse to acknowledge it does not make it not so.
Really, Joey. No one gets their panties in a wad more often than you do, and no one barges into threads (to wit) with off-topic material more often than you do.

As for the Castro thread, it was political from the instant it was posted as a topic. Player accused of rape. Flees country. Was the discussion going to be confined to his batting average?


   170. Poulanc Posted: February 22, 2012 at 03:07 PM (#4066300)
We used to play this awesome card game where the subject was the French Revolution.


Guillotine?

As far as board games go, I enjoy 'Pandemic' and 'Cosmic Encounter'.
   171. Something Other Posted: February 22, 2012 at 03:36 PM (#4066323)
Poulanc!

That sounds right.

Is Pandemic a cooperative game? How is it for replayability? I have a mixed group interested in playing non-violent, cooperative board games. That might be the kind of thing they'd go for.
   172. Golfing Great Mitch Cumstein Posted: February 22, 2012 at 03:38 PM (#4066326)
"road to hoe"
   173. Sunday silence Posted: February 22, 2012 at 03:45 PM (#4066331)
Guillotine is strictly filler and seemed very luck oriented at least when I played. If you can play it in ten minutes it's okay but if games goes longer it just seems like a waste.

I dont like Pandemic, as it pretty much turns out that people who figure out the puzzle windup telling everyone else what to do. It doesnt really convey a team effort to me. Lots of people like though, so consider that.
   174. McCoy Posted: February 22, 2012 at 03:45 PM (#4066332)
If it is Guillotine I mentioned it earlier when I mentioned its forerunner "Family Business". Definitely a nice little respite from heavier gaming.
   175. PepTech Posted: February 22, 2012 at 04:06 PM (#4066349)
Man is this thread all over the place.

A local sportscaster used to get a twinkle in his eye when he reported the local A ball results: "Vancouver defeated Tri-Cities, Grays Harbor downed Wenatchee, and Bend over Everett!" I remember thinking he probably had a buddy or a brother named Everett, because he seemed to use that one a lot.

War board games? RISK! What is wrong with you people? Still the classic. You need at least six people and two boards, though. Epic.

For fluffy card games, try one of the Flux series for five minute hands with no particular thought involved, and great for little kids (OK, maybe not Stoner Flux). Wizard is a very good trick-based card game for anywhere from 3-6 people.
   176. Poulanc Posted: February 22, 2012 at 04:19 PM (#4066360)
Is Pandemic a cooperative game? How is it for replayability?


It is a cooperative game, yes. I really enjoy it. Replayability is quite high. As for Sunday silence's assertion that one player can dominate the game, I suppose that's true. And probably why my wife isn't interested in playing it with us. However, if most of the group are all around the same skill level, I don't think that would be an issue. It also has an expansion pack that I find can really ramp up the difficulty level quickly.
   177. McCoy Posted: February 22, 2012 at 04:20 PM (#4066362)
For cards I still think nothing beats "old-school" M:TG.
   178. zenbitz Posted: February 22, 2012 at 04:23 PM (#4066363)
Opinions! Everyone's got 'em

Risk is quite possibly the most overrated board game in history (2nd is probably monopoly) There is one strategy. Find a corner of the map (ideally Australia). Attack one country/turn to get a card. Turn in cards only when you have to. Eventually get enough armies to overrun the board in 1 turn. If you like 6-player games with strategy, player elimination, and memory, play Titan.

One kinda uncommon board game I like is "Tales of Arabian Knights" - one of the few games where you can be "losing" badly and still have a great time because your story is amusing. It's not technically "cooperative" but it's not competitive either (i.e., there is a winner but players don't really influence each other). It's basically the worlds biggest choose your own adventure. You bop around the middle east/europe/asia and encounter "Adjective" "Noun" and then pick from a list of "Verbs" to find a page in the story book. I.e, you can "Rob" the "All-Powerful Efreet". You have a quest which sort of directs your wandering and skills which influence the results of your story and "afflictions" (some of which are good, like "Blessed", neutral "Married", or bad "Insane" or "Grief Stricken").

Lord of The Rings (Knezia) is an OK cooperative game. Arkham Horror is a great coop game, especially if you are into Lovecraft or Call of Cthuthu (RPG), but it's hardly non-violent.

The first computer game I have been addicted to in a long while is "Minecraft". Possibly the best indy game since Doom (if Doom was even indy). The pocket edition (for phone/tablet) kinda sucks though.
   179. zenbitz Posted: February 22, 2012 at 04:24 PM (#4066366)
@17 I do like M:TG, I play it with my 2nd grader all the time.
   180. Poulanc Posted: February 22, 2012 at 04:25 PM (#4066367)
Guillotine is strictly filler and seemed very luck oriented at least when I played. If you can play it in ten minutes it's okay but if games goes longer it just seems like a waste.



That's the exact reason that I enjoy it (along with Fluxx games that PepTech brought up). Coming up with a strategy to win is almost completely pointless - which certainly evens the field when playing with people who aren't all at the same skill level.
   181. zenbitz Posted: February 22, 2012 at 04:26 PM (#4066369)
Player accused of rape. Flees country. Was the discussion going to be confined to his batting average?


I would say that rape vs. sexual assault depends more on his SLG.
   182. zenbitz Posted: February 22, 2012 at 04:27 PM (#4066370)
Killer Bunnies is the other game that we didn't really take to.


I got Killer Bunnies go to Jupiter for about $5. It has interesting solar system mechanics...
   183. Rants Mulliniks Posted: February 22, 2012 at 04:27 PM (#4066371)
My wife says "nip it in the butt".
   184. phredbird Posted: February 22, 2012 at 05:12 PM (#4066417)
My wife says "nip it in the butt".


must ... resist ... urge ...
   185. McCoy Posted: February 22, 2012 at 05:20 PM (#4066425)
@17 I do like M:TG, I play it with my 2nd grader all the time.

I probably couldn't even play against a 2nd grader with the current edition.
   186. zenbitz Posted: February 22, 2012 at 06:20 PM (#4066517)
What is your problem with current ed. MTG? I played the original (alpha/beta) a little many years ago. The differences are pretty minor, no? I play reasonably casually though -- we only have a few hundred cards... I think we have 3.5 playable decks and could probably squeeze another out that was OK enough to win once in a while.
   187. McCoy Posted: February 22, 2012 at 06:25 PM (#4066523)
Probably just unfamiliarity.
   188. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: February 22, 2012 at 07:06 PM (#4066552)
"Supposably" for "supposedly."

Nowadays my brain just assumes there will be improper apostrophes and quotation marks in everything. Find myself doing doubletakes when they're not there.
   189. Spahn Insane Posted: February 22, 2012 at 07:23 PM (#4066556)
My hovercraft is full of eels

So's your mom.

On-topic, per McCoy's earlier reference to an eatery of that name.
   190. Something Other Posted: February 22, 2012 at 09:29 PM (#4066630)
My wife says "nip it in the butt".
Not, "nip it in the butt, you big stud"?

Risk is quite possibly the most overrated board game in history
Yeah. Surprising that they never revised it to balance things out. I used to occasionally play with guys who'd start with and try to hold Europe. It NEVER worked. About the only other respectable shot is to start with an move out from South America. Very occasionally Africa as a starting point could be held.

re: Pandemic. Good to know. Sounds like buying the expansion pack along with the game itself makes some sense.
   191. Biscuit_pants Posted: February 22, 2012 at 09:37 PM (#4066634)
But once you focus on the meaning of "kink", e.g. "kink in the line", "kink in the rope", "kink in the hose", it obviously makes no sense with armor.
Which is funny because the first time I heard it as a kid, I assumed there was a weakness to chainmail armor when the chains were kinked.
   192. Something Other Posted: February 22, 2012 at 09:52 PM (#4066644)
Speaking of Settlers, there just doesn't seem to be a real fix short of very disciplined trading rules, to the abomination that can be a Settlers endgame. I've seen very good individual games plunged into the toilet of anger and recrimination when someone about to win gets sabotaged by other players acting in concert.
   193. this space for rent Posted: February 22, 2012 at 10:17 PM (#4066657)
[Puerto Rico] is one of the few games that receives popular acclaim that I don't like that much. I found that there just wasn't enough interaction with other players in this game. Killer Bunnies is the other game that we didn't really take to.


This is exactly why I don't like Dominion -- apart from "who will start the race to the finish," it seems very non-interactive to me.

We've just started playing PR, and I definitely find it interactive; the captain in particular can dramatically affect everyone else's plans, especially if they're short on warehouses.

Speaking of Settlers, there just doesn't seem to be a real fix short of very disciplined trading rules, to the abomination that can be a Settlers endgame. I've seen very good individual games plunged into the toilet of anger and recrimination when someone about to win gets sabotaged by other players acting in concert.


If you're relying on other players to trade you what you need to get your 10th (or even 8th) VP, you're doing something wrong.

On the other hand, when games devolve to the trailing players actually choosing a winner without much if any regard to their own chances, it can indeed get ugly...
   194. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: February 22, 2012 at 11:22 PM (#4066695)
I like "tow the line". Which I guess might make some sense. Maybe you're pulling a long line of people behind you.


FWIW, "toe the line" comes from the old London Prize Ring boxing rules, which were the rules under which boxing was typically conducted for most of the 19th century. Under LPR rules rounds did not have a fixed duration as they do today; rather, a round was over when a fighter was either knocked off his feet by a blow or hurled to the ground with an upper-body throw. From that point both fighters had 30 seconds to "toe the line" (alternately "toe the scratch"), or literally stand unaided at a scratch mark in their respective corners before the referee commenced the next round.

No gloves, no time limits, and fights continued until one man was unable to continue. If you grew up watching these fancy lads today you'd never see a real manly boxer.
   195. Ray (RDP) Posted: February 22, 2012 at 11:38 PM (#4066704)
"Linsanity" is kind of a lame name for this. "Insanity" doesn't make sense in this context, so there's nothing clever about tacking an L in the front of it.
   196. Brian White Posted: February 23, 2012 at 12:15 AM (#4066721)
Speaking of Settlers, there just doesn't seem to be a real fix short of very disciplined trading rules, to the abomination that can be a Settlers endgame. I've seen very good individual games plunged into the toilet of anger and recrimination when someone about to win gets sabotaged by other players acting in concert.


Is that really a flaw of the game? Most games I play go into 'don't trade with the guy in the lead' mode, but I never felt it was a problem. If you've left yourself short a necessary resource and can't get to ten points without having to acquire cards from someone else, you've chosen a bad strategy.
   197. Kurt Posted: February 23, 2012 at 12:26 AM (#4066727)
"Insanity" makes perfectly fine sense, in the Eddie Antar sense of the word.
   198. Something Other Posted: February 23, 2012 at 02:13 AM (#4066776)

Is that really a flaw of the game? Most games I play go into 'don't trade with the guy in the lead' mode, but I never felt it was a problem. If you've left yourself short a necessary resource and can't get to ten points without having to acquire cards from someone else, you've chosen a bad strategy.
Yeah, not my point, though. Not trading with the guy in the lead is fine and expected; it's when the losers actively decide who the winner is going to be that real problems arise. It's a structural problem to some degree, and the endgame relies heavily on people thwarting the leader in some ways but not others in order to not disintegrate into farce.
   199. zenbitz Posted: February 23, 2012 at 01:10 PM (#4067034)
Ah just adds an element of diplomacy and metagame.
   200. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 23, 2012 at 01:37 PM (#4067057)
Yeah. Surprising that they never revised it to balance things out. I used to occasionally play with guys who'd start with and try to hold Europe. It NEVER worked. About the only other respectable shot is to start with an move out from South America. Very occasionally Africa as a starting point could be held.

We played with house rules given "bonus armies" for holding highly industrialized territories; e.g. US, Europe, Japan.
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