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1. Esoteric throws a 'hard slider' Posted: June 19, 2012 at 03:09 PM (#4161237)The dreaded trip to Dr. Andrews. Kind of like getting your measles shot as a kid.
Since it was driven by Kevin Gregg it missed the concrete bridge abutment, two oncoming 18-wheelers, and a high voltage power line tower. All Nats are safe. [full credit to DKDC for this part]
They'll do the full Tommy John procedure. 18 months.
Measles shot is nothing. It would be more like finding out that you have to go to all day summer school and your parents are so po'ed that they are sending you to Military School for the following year.
EDIT: And a shame for Beachy. He was looking like he was going to be really good.
This is truly a shame, and it begs the question of why he was allowed to pitch with a sore elbow. He actually was pitching quite well and was working on a perfecto in the 4th which a bunch of Ks before he walked a batter and was yanked from the game with a sore elbow. So how was he hurt and when did he know it?
He had elbow pain after his last start, but they didn't think it was a tear. So he made his next start, started feeling the pain in the fourth and called McCann out to pull him.
No. There is no such thing as a pitching prospect. #### breaks.
Well, that sounds a lot like column A, actually.
Beachy certainly isn't a guy who was ever over-used. He was mostly a position player growing up. He didn't pitch much in college and I don't think he was one of those high school kids pitching 180 innings on year-round travel teams.
He spent the vast majority of his brief minor league career as a reliever and his professional high of innings pitched is only 140.
I think many, maybe even most, guys are going to get hurt whether they pitch a little or a lot.
They are 3rd in scoring although average in OPS+. McCann, Freeman and Heyward are all below projections (and probably Hinske & Francisco too) although I suppose Prado and Bourn are above theirs.
Even without Beachy, they've got a rotation that features Hudson (1.167 WHIP), Hanson (1.352), Delgado (1.332) and a perfectly cromulent bullpen.
They also have four bats that could perform better at any moment, specifically McCann (most likely), Freeman (bit of a slump recently), Heyward (slumping?) and Chipper (OK, maybe it's unfair to expect more at this point).
I don't think it's crazy to think that two of those bats could get hot and mitigate the loss of Beachy and keep the Braves on course for a playoff spot. Right now, I still think they're the biggest challenger to the Nats for the division title.
[Edit: Walt, I put a Coke with your name on it in the fridge.]
Yes. He threw a bullpen session and they said there was no discomfort, so he made his next start. I was really nervous about this, and I wondered why they would not be more cautious.
I don't have any answers, but I know that there needs to be an overhaul to the way pitchers are handled. The current approach is not working.
And with Beachy, the Braves took someone who had never been a pitching prospect in his life until about July 2010, and put him directly into the major-league rotation in September 2010. And even that didn't work.
1. There's no more or less injuries to pitchers today than ever before, that I can tell.
2. The only "overhaul" that would save pitchers' arms would be to make them throw underhanded.
It's an unnatural motion that breaks #### every now and again. Sucks for Beachy. Sucks for the Braves. It's an occupational hazard of the professional baseball player.
Check out Heyward's line for June.
.320/.346/.540
Its only 14 games, but I think its enough to say he isn't slumping.
Heyward has played 64 games so far this year: in his first 32 games, he hit 252./.352/.468; in his next 32, he's hit 252/.308/.414. But of course, those are just random endpoints. As you say, his June performance could very well indicate the "slump" is over.
Can't believe that didn't work.
At least it's the elbow, they can fix that and he probably can still have a career. Something like this is much preferred over a shoulder or just a slow fade of stuff like what happened to Jurrjens.
Is this really true, though? It seems like this year almost every team has at least one key guy injured, and most teams more than one.
Yankees: Pineda
Red Sox: Beckett
Blue Jays: Drabek, Morrow
Rays: Niemann (not an arm injury, though)
Orioles:
White Sox: Danks, probably Floyd, the way he's pitching
Indians:
Tigers: Fister, on and off, though not an arm injury
Twins:
Royals: promising prospect whose name I can't think of
Rangers: Feliz, Holland
Angels: Weaver
A's: McCarthy, Anderson (though he got hurt last year)
Mariners:
Nationals:
Braves: Beachy, Jurgens
Mets: Pelfry
Phillies: Halladay
Marlins:
Reds: probably Latos
Cardinals: Carpenter, Garcia
Brewers: Marcum
Pirates:
Cubs: Dempster, though not an arm injury
Astros:
Dodgers: Lilly
Giants: Lincicum, even though he's pitching
Diamondbacks: Hudson for a while
Rockies:
Padres: Luebke
That can't be normal, can it? That's almost every team with a key rotation starter missing, and not over the course of a whole season, but in the middle of June.
I suspect it's pretty close to normal, both for era and history. Pitchers get hurt.
Not that it matters for this terrible team, but the Twins lost Scott Baker to TJ surgery during Spring Training.
Rockies: Chacin, De La Rosa, Nicasio (although Nicasio has a twisted knee, not an arm owie).
I don't know that Jurrjens is really hurt, so much as he misplaced a few MPH off his pitches and started sucking. He's made 13 starts this year between the majors and minors. Apparently, the Braves are allowed one, and only one, productive major leaguer from Curacao each year, and it appears that Andrelton Simmons gets the role this year.
If other parts of the team were functioning correctly, the Braves could withstand losing Beachy. They've still got pitching depth to spare, assuming the organization ever gets around to trusting Julio Teheran with a regular major league spot. They don't have any great starters, but if they finally send Minor back down and go with Hudson/Hanson/Delgado/Medlen/Teheran, they won't have any bad ones, either. And if Jonny Venters and Eric O'Flaherty were doing their normal thing, with a decent offense, that's enough to contend. But the bullpen is surprisingly crummy, and they're not going to hit enough to overcome that.
2. I don't doubt that the sheer number of TJ procedures is going up, but that has more to do with the routine nature of the surgery these days than it does to do with injury rates to pitchers, per se. In 2012 Arodys Vizcaino has pain in his elbow, gets an MRI that shows a partial tear, and is sent to Dr. Andrews for UCL reconstruction. In 1992 he would have maybe gotten a good diagnosis without the MRI, or maybe gotten a bad diagnosis and tried to "pitch through the pain" for whatever that was worth. In 1982 he would have washed out of the minors as a guy "too soft to handle the pain of pitching in the majors."
3. I don't think you can call Eric O'Flaherty's 2011 "his usual thing" per se. He's a reliever with one flukishly good years and a career that otherwise led the Mariners to let him go via the Rule V draft.
This is a good point.
Up to this year, his Atlanta career was a 2.02 ERA in 174 IP. Even taking out his one incredibly great year, he threw 100 IP in 2009-2010 with a 2.78 ERA (146 ERA+). He's never going to post a sub-1 ERA ever again, but he's been a pretty great reliever since coming to Atlanta.
Orioles are missing Markakis and Reimold (two-thirds of their opening day outfield.) #4 OF Endy Chavez, who hasn't been great by any means, leaves them rather shorthanded w his 2nd DL stint of the year.
/Another young OF, Xavier Nady, should almost certainly be with the club if only as a defensive replacement (Jones is currently the only natural OF on the roster), but I admire Showalter for insisting that the kid quit pulling every pitch before they bring him back.
Duffy
I think that's the first time in BBTF where somebody said the same thing I did only using MORE words than I did.
Almost brings a tear to my eye.
The Braves will be OK if Minor can have a little breakout and stop giving up 2 HR a game.
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