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Friday, July 23, 2010

ESPN: Jered Weaver was clearly annoyed by defense in loss at Texas

Oh me! Oh my!
Oh me! Oh my!
What a lot of ####### balls go by!

Jered Weaver came charging off the mound after the sixth inning, his right fist flailing wildly in the air. He was mouthing something and it appeared to be loud and it didn’t appear to be a Dr. Seuss rhyme.

The temperature at the Ballpark in Arlington was 95 degrees when Thursday’s game started. The steam coming off Weaver after the sixth inning had to be about twice that.

Given some time to cool down in the air-conditioned clubhouse after the Los Angeles Angels lost the first game of a crucial four-game series to the Texas Rangers 3-2 Thursday, Weaver was fairly diplomatic and composed. But he also implied that some plays should have been made in the Angels’ outfield. He wasn’t alone in that opinion.

...The next batter, Josh Hamilton sliced a ball into left center. According to Weaver, he “popped a changeup up.” Juan Rivera lumbered—or was it jogged?—after it and Hunter couldn’t catch it after a lengthy sprint from right-center. It dropped into the gap for what proved to be the winning RBI.

“Some balls dropped that probably shouldn’t have dropped,” Hunter said.

Repoz Posted: July 23, 2010 at 12:13 PM | 25 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: angels, game recaps, rangers, sabermetrics

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   1. Marc Sully's not booin'. He's Youkin'. Posted: July 23, 2010 at 12:42 PM (#3596999)
I watched it live and couldn't believe the Hamilton double mentioned in the excerpt. Torii Hunter was positioned stupidly to begin with, playing Hamilton about 250 feet away from home plate it seemed. Then Hunter moved just terribly after the ball. It landed a good twenty feet in front of the fence, and it was not a line drive by any stretch.
   2. WillYoung Posted: July 23, 2010 at 01:03 PM (#3597012)
I am shocked, SHOCKED, that balls are eluding Torii Hunter in the outfield.
   3. bunyon Posted: July 23, 2010 at 01:08 PM (#3597015)
If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball.
   4. AROM Posted: July 23, 2010 at 01:14 PM (#3597019)
What will it take for Mike Scioscia to realize something needs to be done?

Meanwhile, the Angels have the best defensive CF in the minors playing in AAA, and Peter Bourjos has raised his batting average from the .250 range to just under .300 in a month's time. Play Hunter in left, Bourjos in center, and use Rivera just to give Abreu and Matsui days off against lefties.
   5. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 23, 2010 at 01:21 PM (#3597021)
If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball.

A movie quote from the last decade I recognize! My grandkids watched that DVD and I found the movie mildly amusing.
   6. The importance of being Ernest Riles Posted: July 23, 2010 at 01:25 PM (#3597027)
The temperature at the Ballpark in Arlington was 95 degrees when Thursday’s game started. The steam coming off Weaver after the sixth inning had to be about twice that.

I'm very confused by this. Assuming that we're working in Fahrenheit, does he mean that the steam must have been 95*2= 180 deg? Because then it would still be liquid water, since water boils at 212 F. So that doesn't make any sense.

But Fahrenheit is not an absolute scale, so "double" of 95 deg F doesn't make any sense. He must have been working off an absolute scale (probably Rankine) in that case. 95 deg F = 555 Rankine. Double that temperature and you get 1110 Rankine, or 650 deg F. That seems like an awful exaggeration as steam rarely gets that hot.
   7. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: July 23, 2010 at 01:27 PM (#3597030)
My grandkids watched that DVD and I found the movie mildly amusing.

Then they hit their target! I wish movies like Dodgeball were about 40 minutes long. Maybe 35.
   8. Dale Sams Posted: July 23, 2010 at 01:39 PM (#3597047)
Juan Rivera lumbered—or was it jogged?—


Reminds me of the walk-off at Fenway last year (After Nick Green struck out some three times in his last AB, then walked) when Rivera lumbered after a ball, then slowed down so the ball didn't *quite* hit him in the shoes.
   9. hokieneer Posted: July 23, 2010 at 01:41 PM (#3597050)
Then they hit their target! I wish movies like Dodgeball were about 40 minutes long. Maybe 35.

I just watched the Land of the Lost remake/movie. It had a few funny moments here and there, but it falls into that dodgeball category. If it was an hour long TV special (with plenty of commercials) it would be much more tolerable.
   10. RJ in TO Posted: July 23, 2010 at 01:41 PM (#3597051)
The temperature at the Ballpark in Arlington was 95 degrees when Thursday’s game started. The steam coming off Weaver after the sixth inning had to be about twice that.

I'm very confused by this. Assuming that we're working in Fahrenheit, does he mean that the steam must have been 95*2= 180 deg? Because then it would still be liquid water, since water boils at 212 F. So that doesn't make any sense.


But that's only at standard atmospheric conditions. What you fail to realize is that the Angels prefer to keep their pitchers at lower pressure conditions after games - Weaver was actually speaking to the media from a depressurized chamber, around 5 psia or so.
   11. Russ Posted: July 23, 2010 at 01:47 PM (#3597054)


I just watched the Land of the Lost remake/movie. It had a few funny moments here and there, but it falls into that dodgeball category. If it was an hour long TV special (with plenty of commercials) it would be much more tolerable.


That's a good idea for a TV series. Hour-long comedy shows that are basically like mini-TV movies... basically cut all the fluff out of lower quality movie comedies to drop them from 80-90 minutes down to 44. Kind of like a Twilight Zone of comedy series.
   12. Bob Dernier Cri Posted: July 23, 2010 at 01:54 PM (#3597060)
I was at the Ballpark. It was hot.

The Guerrero double mentioned in TFA was particularly interesting. Vlad seemed to be determined to show up Bobby Abreu from the moment he left the box. And it was easily done. It wasn't a blinding-speed double (this was Vlad, after all) and it wasn't a Pete-Rose-variety running-like-the-cops-are-after-you double; it was an I-sincerely-doubt-you-can-throw-anyone-out double. Well done.
   13. Spivey Posted: July 23, 2010 at 01:55 PM (#3597062)
What will it take for Mike Scioscia to realize something needs to be done?

Meanwhile, the Angels have the best defensive CF in the minors playing in AAA, and Peter Bourjos has raised his batting average from the .250 range to just under .300 in a month's time. Play Hunter in left, Bourjos in center, and use Rivera just to give Abreu and Matsui days off against lefties.


Maybe Hunter needs to be moved, but that should be a ball that River should get to. It was in the air for near 10 seconds, and Hunter was playing Hamilton to pull - not a bad strategy. He had to cover almost half the outfield, and almost did. Rivera had to cover much less.
   14. AROM Posted: July 23, 2010 at 02:13 PM (#3597080)
Maybe Hunter needs to be moved, but that should be a ball that River should get to.


Agreed. I'm suggesting Hunter be moved but stay in the outfield. Rivera should move to the bench.
   15. Bob Dernier Cri Posted: July 23, 2010 at 02:22 PM (#3597090)
Is that still the same Rivera who got run over by a golf cart when he was a rookie with the Yankees?
   16. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 23, 2010 at 02:44 PM (#3597105)
Is that still the same Rivera who got run over by a golf cart when he was a rookie with the

I don't know, but it is NOT the Rivera (Ruben) who stole Jeter's glove.
   17. lar @ wezen-ball Posted: July 23, 2010 at 03:11 PM (#3597142)
It is the same Juan Rivera who is slower than Vlad Guerrero (at least when it comes to trotting the bases after a home run). If he's that slow on the bases, then it's no stretch to think that he's that slow in the field...

And watch the video of the highlight. The first thing they say when discussing Hunter missing it is "gold glover... Even as great as he is..." It's gonna be a while before teams stop giving Hunter chances out there - the hype about his defense is just too ingrained.
   18. WillYoung Posted: July 23, 2010 at 03:28 PM (#3597163)
The first thing they say when discussing Hunter missing it is "gold glover... Even as great as he is..." It's gonna be a while before teams stop giving Hunter chances out there - the hype about his defense is just too ingrained.


By the time Hunter had left Minnesota, he had lost about 3 or 4 steps. I'm amazed he's still out in center a few years later.
   19. hokieneer Posted: July 23, 2010 at 03:43 PM (#3597177)
By the time Hunter had left Minnesota, he had lost about 3 or 4 steps. I'm amazed he's still out in center a few years later.

When he left Minnesota, he should have been done in CF. He'll play CF until he retires. Hell Strat-o-matic is still giving him 1 range ratings.

A few highlight catches and robbing bonds of a HR in an all star game 8 years ago can give you a rep that will last a life time.
   20. Jacob Posted: July 23, 2010 at 04:23 PM (#3597238)
95*2= 180 deg?
It's actually 190.
   21. The District Attorney Posted: July 23, 2010 at 04:35 PM (#3597260)
Surely acquiring Alberto Callaspo solves this problem nicely.
   22. Joe Bivens, Idiot Posted: July 23, 2010 at 04:40 PM (#3597269)
#6 would have qualified for uber nerd status if it weren't for #20.
   23. UCCF Posted: July 23, 2010 at 04:53 PM (#3597282)
He and Carlos Zambrano ought to form a club.
   24. bads85 Posted: July 23, 2010 at 05:00 PM (#3597293)
>>>I wish movies like Dodgeball were about 40 minutes long. Maybe 35.<<<

The ESPN Ocho stuff was great.
   25. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: July 23, 2010 at 05:02 PM (#3597297)
The ESPN Ocho stuff was great.

Which is how you get to 35.

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