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ESPN: Johnson wanted four-year deal

There will be no long-term contract for pitcher Josh Johnson with the Florida Marlins this winter, his agent said Friday.

Agent Matt Sosnick told ESPN.com that negotiations between the Marlins and Johnson have reached an “impasse,” and Johnson expects to play under a one-year deal in 2010. Johnson will be eligible for free agency after the 2011 season, and a failure to reach agreement on a multiyear contract would probably force the Marlins to explore a trade before then.

“Based on our conversations, there’s no chance of doing a long-term deal with the Marlins,” Sosnick said. “We made it clear that it was going to be this year or it wasn’t going to happen. It was now or never. And the Marlins agreed.”

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1. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: November 21, 2009 at 03:01 AM (#3393153)

God ####### damnit.

2. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: November 21, 2009 at 03:02 AM (#3393154)

Is it because he costs more than nothing?

3. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: November 21, 2009 at 03:02 AM (#3393155)

It's because he costs more than nothing, isn't it?

4. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: November 21, 2009 at 03:02 AM (#3393158)

If only Josh Johnson would have signed for nothing.

5. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: November 21, 2009 at 03:03 AM (#3393159)

Not like we have a big new stadium that'll cost two billion dollars that we could have used to finance a few good player contracts!

6. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: November 21, 2009 at 03:04 AM (#3393161)

I'll bet we bought it for the Marlins.

7. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: November 21, 2009 at 03:04 AM (#3393162)

I bet it was a Christmas gift.

8. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: November 21, 2009 at 03:04 AM (#3393163)

You know what I got for Christmas?

9. Tripon Posted: November 21, 2009 at 03:04 AM (#3393165)

They're going to trade him for nothing.

10. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: November 21, 2009 at 03:04 AM (#3393166)

Oh, it was a banner ####### year at the old Fish fan's family.

11. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: November 21, 2009 at 03:05 AM (#3393167)

I got a carton of cigarettes.

12. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: November 21, 2009 at 03:05 AM (#3393168)

The old man grabbed me and said, "Hey, smoke up Johnny!"

13. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: November 21, 2009 at 03:05 AM (#3393169)

And. My. Name. Isn't. Even. Johnny.

14. Flynn Posted: November 21, 2009 at 03:07 AM (#3393170)

Uh-oh, we're losing him.

15. Tripon Posted: November 21, 2009 at 03:15 AM (#3393179)

This is what happens when a Marlins fan is on drugs.

16. Misirlou's got a busy day, he's wearing a vest Posted: November 21, 2009 at 03:17 AM (#3393182)

As I said in the Uggla thread. What a pathetic ####### organization. Oh, they'll keep Hanley Ramirez, as their token gate attraction. But to get rid of good, still under team control, supporting players because they make more than the league minimum? Disgraceful.

17. Tripon Posted: November 21, 2009 at 03:19 AM (#3393184)

Johnson and his agents used Zack Greinke's four-year, $38 million contract with the Kansas City Royals as a framework in contract discussions. Sosnick said talks broke down when the Marlins declined to offer more than a three-year deal -- which would buy out only one year of free agency for Johnson. Sosnick declined to discuss any differences over money in negotiations.

Are you kidding me? This deal would have been great for the Marlins!

18. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: November 21, 2009 at 03:22 AM (#3393186)

This is what happens when a Marlins fan is on drugs.

Close. It's what happens when a Marlins fan goes off his medication.

19. Misirlou's got a busy day, he's wearing a vest Posted: November 21, 2009 at 03:23 AM (#3393187)

Johnson and his agents used Zack Greinke's four-year, $38 million contract with the Kansas City Royals as a framework in contract discussions. Sosnick said talks broke down when the Marlins declined to offer more than a three-year deal -- which would buy out only one year of free agency for Johnson. Sosnick declined to discuss any differences over money in negotiations.

Assuming this is true, are they (Marlins) ####### insane?! 4 years at ~$10 million AAV is a crazy good deal. If Johnson were a FA he'd get way better than that, both in length and AAV. Words fail me.

edit: coke to tripon. I was quoting the article, not his quote of the article. great minds and all that...

20. Misirlou's got a busy day, he's wearing a vest Posted: November 21, 2009 at 03:27 AM (#3393190)

Are you kidding me? This deal would have been great for the Marlins!

This is exactly the kind of team friendly deals low budget teams like the Marlins should be making. They aren't even trying to be appearing to try. Why this team has any fans is beyond me (sorry T & B).

21. Kurt Posted: November 21, 2009 at 03:32 AM (#3393193)

NO. WHAT ABOUT YOU DAD??

Awesome.

22. Jeff K. Posted: November 21, 2009 at 03:37 AM (#3393196)

These days, a carton of cigarettes would be a great Christmas present. That's like $55.

23. Ignatius J. Reilly Posted: November 21, 2009 at 03:58 AM (#3393211)

I find it somewhat peculiar that the player wanted the team to buy out an extra year of free agency and the club refused. It's usually the other way around.

Still, should JJ sign a 3/25ish deal that sets him up for life AND allows him to hit the FA market at age 29?

24. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: November 21, 2009 at 03:59 AM (#3393212)

I gazed down at his enormous face. Seven years it had taken me to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the art dealer's visage. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two mojito-scented tears trickled down the sides of my nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. I had won the victory over myself. I loved Jeff Loria.

25. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: November 21, 2009 at 04:16 AM (#3393225)

This is the kind of thread where I miss John Brittain

26. Best Regards, Larry M. Posted: November 21, 2009 at 04:23 AM (#3393230)

I miss John Brattain more.

As John said, you can't spell Brattain without "BRAT".

27. Darren

Posted: November 21, 2009 at 04:24 AM (#3393231)

This is what happens when a Marlins fan is on drugs.

This is what happens when you find a Marlins fan in the Alps.

28. Darren

Posted: November 21, 2009 at 04:25 AM (#3393233)

You see what happens, Larry?

29. Darren

Posted: November 21, 2009 at 04:25 AM (#3393234)

This is what happens!

30. Darren

Posted: November 21, 2009 at 04:26 AM (#3393235)

This is what happens, Larry. This is what happens when you feed a Marlins fan scrambled eggs!

31. Darren

Posted: November 21, 2009 at 04:27 AM (#3393237)

I thoroughly enjoyed posts 1-13 without being at all clear what it refers to.

32. JMPH Posted: November 21, 2009 at 04:32 AM (#3393239)

I thoroughly enjoyed posts 1-13 without being at all clear what it refers to.

Ditto. In fact, I was at first convinced that it wasn't referring to anything, which made it even more enjoyable.

33. Mike Emeigh

Posted: November 21, 2009 at 05:09 AM (#3393257)

I thought he was just trying to keep it on Hot Topics for a while :)

I can see the Marlins' point in not wanting to go beyond three years. Johnson did have a significant injury that cost him the better part of two years and he does still carry some risk. Perhaps they could have been flexible - say three plus an vesting option if Johnson throws 175 innings in each of the three years, or something like that, or a mutual option for the fourth year - but when you are a limited-resource team you don't necessarily want to take that risk.

-- MWE

34. YR Denies Jesus Montero Posted: November 21, 2009 at 05:19 AM (#3393267)

Oh, they'll keep Hanley Ramirez, as their token gate attraction. But to get rid of good, still under team control, supporting players because they make more than the league minimum? Disgraceful.

They simply don't have the money to retain their own talent, even at team-friendly rates. Not with the pittance the team currently receives from the league, at least. If only they could get just a bit more money assured each season, the Marlins could put together a solid team of exciting young homegrown talent and really give those great fans in South Florida something to cheer for! It would be good for baseball. I don't see a downside.

35. Textbook Editor Posted: November 21, 2009 at 05:26 AM (#3393272)

So... What teams want some Jason Johnson. Step right up with your trade suggestions!

36. Jeff K. Posted: November 21, 2009 at 05:29 AM (#3393275)

####, if I'm another team, no way I'm trading for him. It's 100% clear he will not be resigned by the Marlins in a year. However, it's going to cost bundles in players to trade for him.

37. Kurt Posted: November 21, 2009 at 05:31 AM (#3393277)

I don't know if 1-7 referred to anything in particular but, um, you should be proud not to know 8-13.

38. Jeff K. Posted: November 21, 2009 at 05:33 AM (#3393281)

Come on, the Breakfast Club is a stone classic, no argument. I have a weird soft spot for Sixteen Candles, but I can understand dismissing that. TBC? No way.

39. Kurt Posted: November 21, 2009 at 05:58 AM (#3393291)

Other way around. Who could dismiss Sixteen Candles? Black and white would just capture the moment so nicely...

40. Harold Posted: November 21, 2009 at 07:35 AM (#3393306)

####, if I'm another team, no way I'm trading for him. It's 100% clear he will not be resigned by the Marlins in a year.

Two years.

41. Howie Menckel Posted: November 21, 2009 at 07:40 AM (#3393307)

I clearly have this risk-free starting pitcher confused with someone else.

Who was I thinking of?

42. Darnell McDonald had a farm Posted: November 21, 2009 at 11:14 AM (#3393343)

I don't think this will end well for JJ's agent. This is a good time to get what you can get folks. This is not your father's recession, sports franchises are as bubbly as anything

43. Torn_cuff Posted: November 21, 2009 at 01:32 PM (#3393353)

Still, should JJ sign a 3/25ish deal that sets him up for life AND allows him to hit the FA market at age 29?

Did I miss something in this thread....

But isn't it conceivable that the Marlins could have this guy to this deal AND it make him even MORE appealing in a trade, being the fairly low nature of the price? Pitchers get hurt, yes, especially ones with a history of getting hurt. There's also a hell of alot of healthy guys who can't get anyone out.

44. Walt Davis Posted: November 22, 2009 at 02:54 AM (#3393693)

I think I'm with Mike on this one. The Marlins have control over his next two years. He was outstanding in 2009 but in 2007-8 he pitched a total of 102 innings. In 2006 he was great although just 157 IP (and no time in the minors -- not sure if he was hurt or just being handled with care).

And it's not clear he's going to be all that expensive in his arb years. Due to the injuries, he was paid only $1.4 M in his first arb year. Obviously he'll get a big raise this year but not necessarily enough to justify that 4/$38 pricetag.

45. Nasty Nate Posted: November 22, 2009 at 03:14 AM (#3393706)

I want to be just like you, Loria. I figure all I need is a lobotomy and some tights.

46. Tripon Posted: November 22, 2009 at 03:18 AM (#3393709)

Walt, sure there's some risk into signing Johnson to a 4 year deal but this is the Marlins. They're not going to sign anybody worthwhile, and here's one guy that has huge talent and willing to sign what will be a below market contract for you if he stays healthy. Even as money grubbing as the Marlins are, they need to take these kind of deals.

47. The Lovesong of J. Alfredo Griffin Posted: November 22, 2009 at 05:29 AM (#3393759)

They simply don't have the money to retain their own talent, even at team-friendly rates. Not with the pittance the team currently receives from the league, at least. If only they could get just a bit more money assured each season, the Marlins could put together a solid team of exciting young homegrown talent and really give those great fans in South Florida something to cheer for! It would be good for baseball. I don't see a downside.

If only the Yankees could somehow overcome the unfairness of having to give the Marlins money and succeed. Oh the humanity!

48. Jeff K. Posted: November 22, 2009 at 05:43 AM (#3393767)

If only the Yankees could somehow overcome the unfairness of having to give the Marlins money and succeed. Oh the humanity!

Well, they overcame that by getting NYC to pay for a stadium, thereby erasing their revenue sharing obligations for the next while.

49. Tripon Posted: November 22, 2009 at 05:51 AM (#3393769)

Well, they overcame that by getting NYC to pay for a stadium, thereby erasing their revenue sharing obligations for the next while.

Its a good thing the City of New York negotiated free luxury boxes for all of their citizens in exchange for paying for New Yankees Stadium.

50. RJ in TO Posted: November 22, 2009 at 05:54 AM (#3393771)

In 2006 he was great although just 157 IP (and no time in the minors -- not sure if he was hurt or just being handled with care).

He spent the first month in the bullpen, which helped keep his innings down. He also threw his last game on September 12, apparently due to a right forearm injury, so it appears to have been a matter of both caution and injury.

51. Jeff K. Posted: November 22, 2009 at 06:29 AM (#3393779)

Its a good thing the City of New York negotiated free luxury boxes for all of their citizens in exchange for paying for New Yankees Stadium.

To recycle an old Saints joke, they actually gave all the citizens free box seats between the dugouts, they just all came dressed as empty seats.

52. The Lovesong of J. Alfredo Griffin Posted: November 22, 2009 at 05:45 PM (#3393900)

To recycle an old Saints joke, they actually gave all the citizens free box seats between the dugouts, they just all came dressed as empty seats.

Maybe there was a sale on "Invisible Pedestrian" Halloween costumes.

53. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader

Posted: November 22, 2009 at 06:05 PM (#3393922)

They're not going to sign anybody worthwhile, and here's one guy that has huge talent and willing to sign what will be a below market contract for you if he stays healthy. Even as money grubbing as the Marlins are, they need to take these kind of deals.

Couldn't you make a case that this contract makes Johnson more valuable? If he has another good year next year, then you have a young, good pitcher locked up for 3 more years at a reasonable rate. Every team in the league would be interested.

54. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: November 22, 2009 at 06:47 PM (#3393953)

Well, they overcame that by getting NYC to pay for a stadium, thereby erasing their revenue sharing obligations for the next while.

The stadium doesn't completely erase their revenue sharing obligation, does it? Anybody got a good source for how much of a reduction it nets them?

55. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: November 23, 2009 at 04:16 PM (#3394442)

I remain upset about this, people.

56. Rants Mulliniks (formerly Cold Prosimian) Posted: November 23, 2009 at 04:23 PM (#3394453)

You see what happens, Larry?

Of course Nanny wouldn't let you finish this bit of dialogue. They had a midnight showing of The Big Lebowski at my local theatre on the weekend, I'm regretting not going. Seeing the flailing marmot on the big screen would have been something.

57. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: November 23, 2009 at 04:45 PM (#3394480)

by getting NYC to pay for a stadium

The city didn't actually pay for the stadium, although they did pay for a bunch of infrastructure around it.

What they did is guarantee the bonds, so the Yankees could pay the muni-rate for borrowing, which is much lower. Of course, given the huge cash cow the Stadium, and the Yankees in general, are, there's zero chance the city ever pays a penny of the guarantee.

If the team wasn't paying the interest on the debt, i.e. if the city had just gifted them the stadium, there would be no reduction in revenue sharing.

Not that I support municipalities subsidizing stadiums, but just wanted to get the facts straight.

58. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader

Posted: November 23, 2009 at 04:47 PM (#3394486)

Seeing the flailing marmot on the big screen would have been something.

I saw The Big Lewbowski the first day it came out and I was a little drunk and a little stoned. I think I laughed hysterically for a half an hour at that scene.

59. RJ in TO Posted: November 23, 2009 at 04:52 PM (#3394490)

I saw The Big Lewbowski the first day it came out and I was a little drunk and a little stoned.

I've just always assumed that this was your normal state of existence. It's the only way to explain some of your random diatribes about things like bathroom habits of co-workers.

60. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader

Posted: November 23, 2009 at 04:54 PM (#3394492)

I've just always assumed that this was your normal state of existence. It's the only way to explain some of your random diatribes about things like bathroom habits of co-workers.

Naw. I'm usually just naturally high on life. Just say no. Choose life. Etc etc.

61. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: November 24, 2009 at 06:57 PM (#3395691)

Choose life.

Don't force your beliefs onto my body, Shootsworth.

62. Harmon "Thread Killer" Microbrew Posted: November 24, 2009 at 07:09 PM (#3395716)

Finally saw Lebowski about a month ago.

I was underwhelmed (if that's a word).

Nods to Sloan fans.

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