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ESPN: Olney: Pine tar in the postseason could put MLB in a sticky situation

Because everybody in the room will understand that most pitchers participating in the postseason probably use sunscreen or pine tar or something that violates baseball’s rule against the use of foreign substances. [...]

But everybody involved in the sport knows how prevalent the use of sunscreen and pine tar and other stuff has become. Many catchers have pine tar on some part of their person, to apply as needed. Baseball officials would prefer that no foreign substances are used, but they also understand the practical reality: that the baseballs provided for the players are slick, and not always properly prepared.

 

bobm Posted: October 15, 2018 at 02:39 PM | 28 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: buster olney, foreign substances, pine tar, postseason

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   1. JL72 Posted: October 15, 2018 at 02:44 PM (#5766972)
probably use sunscreen or pine tar or something that violates baseball's rule against the use of foreign substances.


Sunscreen confuses me. I though the problem was that in really cold weather, the baseball is slick, so the pitcher needs something sticky to help keep control. Pine tar certainly fits that description.

But my experience with sunscreen is that it is very slippery. So not sure how that would help this problem.
   2. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: October 15, 2018 at 02:47 PM (#5766976)
But my experience with sunscreen is that it is very slippery. So not sure how that would help this problem.

Bullfrog brand spray-on
Two veteran pitchers and one source close to the Red Sox told Yahoo! Sports that about 90 percent of major league pitchers use some form of spray-on sunscreen – almost always BullFrog brand – that when combined with powdered rosin gives them a far superior grip on the ball
   3. Batman Posted: October 15, 2018 at 02:49 PM (#5766979)
I miss the good old days, when players only cheated by using steroids.
   4. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: October 15, 2018 at 03:10 PM (#5766993)
From FiveThirtyEight a little over a week ago:


ut how can a player — or a whole team — develop high spin rates? Some players have high fastball spin rates innately, and others don’t — changing grip on a breaking ball can change spin rate, but it’s difficult to throw a fastball differently. Unlike velocity, which can be trained, a pitcher’s fastball spin ratio is thought to be extremely difficult to alter naturally.

The unnatural solution is for a pitcher to apply a foreign substance. In May, Cleveland Indians pitcher Trevor Bauer drew the ire of the Houston Astros when he addressed the subject of sticky substances and their effect on performance.

“There is a problem in baseball right now that has to do with sticky substances and spin rates,” Bauer said. “We know how it affects spin rate and we know how spin rate affects outcomes and pitches and movements that have a big difference in a game, a season and each individual player’s career.”

“The people who choose not to do it are at a competitive disadvantage.”



Baseball’s Top Staffs Have Come Around On The High-Spin Fastball.But how do they do it? That’s a sticky subject.
   5. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: October 15, 2018 at 03:23 PM (#5767005)
I found it amusing that the only sunscreen for sale (many parks have self service dispensers out in Cactus AZ) in the fan shop at Maryvale was Bullfrog Brand.
   6. Walt Davis Posted: October 15, 2018 at 03:48 PM (#5767029)
Deaden the ball, genuinely enforce foreign substance rules, let's see how that goes.

Anyway, who can forget the time when the pitch in the dirt stuck to Molina's chest protector? Everybody just chuckled. (MLB.tv showed me this replay approximately 500 times this season.)
   7. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: October 15, 2018 at 04:05 PM (#5767044)
Pine tar is killing the game.

   8. Tin Angel Posted: October 15, 2018 at 04:12 PM (#5767051)
Sunscreen confuses me. I though the problem was that in really cold weather, the baseball is slick, so the pitcher needs something sticky to help keep control.


Why would the baseball be slick in winter rather than summer when players are sweating even more than normal?
   9. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: October 15, 2018 at 05:15 PM (#5767108)
Why would the baseball be slick in winter rather than summer when players are sweating even more than normal?


That's what cold weather does to objects. It makes them harder and they feel smoother. Cold dry hands on cold smooth surfaces makes the grip less...firm, if that's a good word to use. Try it, in the winter. See how you can grip a football when it's 10 degrees out.
   10. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 15, 2018 at 05:23 PM (#5767113)
Try it, in the winter. See how you can grip a football when it's 10 degrees out.
Well, if you just deflate it a little...
   11. Tin Angel Posted: October 15, 2018 at 05:34 PM (#5767116)
That's what cold weather does to objects. It makes them harder and they feel smoother. Cold dry hands on cold smooth surfaces makes the grip less...firm, if that's a good word to use. Try it, in the winter.


I'll ask ElRoy to help test this theory once it gets a bit colder.
   12. Bote Man Posted: October 15, 2018 at 08:32 PM (#5767184)
Crisco, Bardahl, Vagisil, Vaseline. And if the ump is extra vigilant: jalapenos. They can't be expected to test for EVERYTHING, ya know!
   13. Bote Man Posted: October 15, 2018 at 08:33 PM (#5767187)
I found it amusing that the only sunscreen for sale (many parks have self service dispensers out in Cactus AZ) in the fan shop at Maryvale was Bullfrog Brand.

Surfers prefer Bullfrog because it doesn't run down and sting your eyes, for one thing.
   14. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 15, 2018 at 08:39 PM (#5767188)
Anyway, who can forget the time when the pitch in the dirt stuck to Molina's chest protector?


Wait, CFB assured me it got stuck in the fold. No evidence of illegal substance was detected!

Crisco, Bardahl, Vagisil, Vaseline


Man, I've got a million jokes swirling around in my head right now.....
   15. SoSH U at work Posted: October 15, 2018 at 08:43 PM (#5767192)
Wait, CFB assured me it got stuck in the fold.


Does anyone believe it didn't get stuck in the fold? You could have lathered Crazy Glue on a baseball and you couldn't make it stick to a flat surface off of a throw.
   16. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: October 15, 2018 at 08:55 PM (#5767199)
Crisco, Bardahl, Vagisil, Vaseline


Man, I've got a million jokes swirling around in my head right now.....

so do I
   17. Bote Man Posted: October 15, 2018 at 09:06 PM (#5767211)
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   18. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 16, 2018 at 01:31 AM (#5767390)
Does anyone believe it didn't get stuck in the fold?


Really? In the fold? Watch it again mate. It's like the ball is nailed to the protector.

   19. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: October 16, 2018 at 08:28 AM (#5767415)
Is it possible (or for that matter has it been studied) that increased spin rate from the pitcher might tend to increase the carry if the batter hits it?
   20. JL72 Posted: October 16, 2018 at 09:04 AM (#5767438)
jmac66 - Thanks much. I had no idea, but should have. All my kids are very fair, so we use a ton of spray-on sunscreen. It does have a stickiness, but I guess the rosin turns it into something even more.
   21. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: October 16, 2018 at 09:35 AM (#5767468)
What's the sticky situation? Isn't it understood that everyone in baseball is doing this and as long as they aren't too brazen (hey Michael Pineda wassup?) no one really gives a damn.
   22. SoSH U at work Posted: October 16, 2018 at 10:10 AM (#5767511)
Really? In the fold? Watch it again mate. It's like the ball is nailed to the protector.


I must have been thinking of some other play. I don't know how that's possible.
   23. Walt Davis Posted: October 16, 2018 at 03:35 PM (#5767863)
Crisco, Bardahl, Vagisil, Vaseline. And if the ump is extra vigilant: jalapenos. They can't be expected to test for EVERYTHING, ya know!

Tzatziki sauce -- to prevent the dreaded gyro ball.
   24. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: October 16, 2018 at 03:54 PM (#5767891)
Jazz hands for Walt.
   25. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 16, 2018 at 04:45 PM (#5767944)
Crisco, Bardahl, Vagisil, Vaseline
Alternate take of "We Didn't Start the Fire."
   26. PreservedFish Posted: October 16, 2018 at 04:58 PM (#5767969)
KY-J
DOUBLE PLAY
WHAT ELSE DO I HAVE TO SAY
   27. TDF, trained monkey Posted: October 16, 2018 at 05:11 PM (#5767986)
Does anyone believe it didn't get stuck in the fold?
Really? In the fold that doesn't exist?
   28. SoSH U at work Posted: October 16, 2018 at 05:42 PM (#5768031)
Really? In the fold that doesn't exist?


See 22.

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