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Tuesday, October 30, 2012

ESPN: O’s, Yanks lead Gold Glove winners

The Baltimore Orioles this year turned back the clock to the golden age of the team’s success and on Tuesday night they got the gloves to go with it. The Orioles lead all major league teams with three players winning a Gold Glove, as catcher Matt Wieters, shortstop J.J. Hardy and center fielder Adam Jones were each awarded the honor by baseball’s managers and coaches.
Jones’ victory, his second, may be the most controversial as he got the nod over rookie phenom Mike Trout of the Los Angeles Angels, who finished second.

hmmm..backlash against the backlash against the backlash

 

Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: October 30, 2012 at 10:58 PM | 27 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: gold glove, trout

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   1. I Am Not a Number Posted: October 31, 2012 at 06:41 AM (#4289051)
Apparently it was Rafael Palmeiro whom Adam Jones edged out. Mike Trout finished a distant third.
   2. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 31, 2012 at 06:45 AM (#4289052)
Yay, Josh Reddick hit enough home runs to get recognized for having a great glove. In what universe is Jimmy Rollins a better glove than Brandon Crawford? That is just nutty, buddy.
   3. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: October 31, 2012 at 07:27 AM (#4289062)
Not bad, other than Jones and Rollins. I'll never understand the Jimmy Rollins thing. He's never been much of a fielder.
   4. Mike Webber Posted: October 31, 2012 at 08:50 AM (#4289079)
Why do the defensive metrics hate Carlos Gonzalez in LF? Is it a Coors thing?
If they are close to correct this is bad selection. Watching him infrequently he doesn't seem terrible.
   5. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: October 31, 2012 at 09:13 AM (#4289086)
In what universe is Jimmy Rollins a better glove than Brandon Crawford? That is just nutty, buddy.

Or Clint Barmes.

Why do the defensive metrics hate Carlos Gonzalez in LF? Is it a Coors thing?
If they are close to correct this is bad selection. Watching him infrequently he doesn't seem terrible.

He's looked really good in the past. Maybe it's a reputation thing.
   6. BDC Posted: October 31, 2012 at 09:21 AM (#4289091)
I dunno, I kind of liked it better almost when three centerfielders would win Gold Gloves. The OF positions aren't much different in terms of skill, and as seen with Trout this year, if you're a great CF, you're likely to be a better LF than the Gold Glove winner there.
   7. Jesse Barfield's Right Arm Posted: October 31, 2012 at 09:30 AM (#4289100)
He's never been much of a fielder.


If that's true, then Crawford wasn't much of a fielder this year. Rollins has two seasons of better dWar than Crawford's 2012, and two nearly identical.

Rollins has lost considerable range, but he has been a remarkably steady fielder and used to be spectacular on a regular basis.
   8. bookbook Posted: October 31, 2012 at 09:32 AM (#4289106)
These aren't terrible. J.J. Hardy probably isn't as good as his co-finalists (Andrus and Ryan), but defense is uncertain/unquantifiable enough that no one's going to jump out of a window about it.

Is mid-thirties Texiera really the best 1B in the league?
   9. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: October 31, 2012 at 09:42 AM (#4289114)
In what universe is Jimmy Rollins a better glove than Brandon Crawford? That is just nutty, buddy.

Or Clint Barmes.


Or Zack Cozart, who was actually nominated. Reds had six finalists but no awards.
   10. Curse of the Andino Posted: October 31, 2012 at 09:47 AM (#4289118)
Apparently it was Rafael Palmeiro whom Adam Jones edged out. Mike Trout finished a distant third.


I saw on twitter where Adam Jones congratulated Weiters + Hardy for their awards, and thought Jonesy was being cool about losing to Trout.

   11. AROM Posted: October 31, 2012 at 09:50 AM (#4289119)
I dunno, I kind of liked it better almost when three centerfielders would win Gold Gloves. The OF positions aren't much different in terms of skill, and as seen with Trout this year, if you're a great CF, you're likely to be a better LF than the Gold Glove winner there.


Trout might have been hurt by that change. He split his time between left and center, playing 885 innings in center and 328 in left. So he doesn't have enough time in either spot for voters to give him the nod. Maybe it makes no difference though, as that assumes the voters actually look at numbers.
   12. Dale Sams Posted: October 31, 2012 at 11:47 AM (#4289217)
Reddick is a great defender.
   13. SG Posted: October 31, 2012 at 12:16 PM (#4289245)
Is mid-thirties Texiera really the best 1B in the league?


Is 32 year old Teixeira really mid-thirties?

He had the best DRS and second-best UZR (behind Adrian Gonzalez) this year. Probably the best choice since Gonzalez switched leagues.
   14. BDC Posted: October 31, 2012 at 12:20 PM (#4289248)
Is mid-thirties Texiera really the best 1B in the league?

Just speaking from observation, Chris Davis is the best defensive 1B in the American League, but of course he played a Palmeiro-like number of games at 1B this season. Of guys who actually played a lot there, I'd probably give the 1B Gold Glove to Albert Pujols.
   15. Bourbon Samurai in Asia Posted: October 31, 2012 at 12:28 PM (#4289256)
I much prefer having the OF positions separate. I think Bryce Harper could be up here at least a few times in the future.

Having watched Laroche all year, he was great.
   16. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 31, 2012 at 12:44 PM (#4289271)

He had the best DRS and second-best UZR (behind Adrian Gonzalez) this year. Probably the best choice since Gonzalez switched leagues.


Has anyone won a Gold Glove despite being traded to another league mid-season?
   17. andrewberg Posted: October 31, 2012 at 12:51 PM (#4289275)
The picks weren't perfect, but my rubric for grading Gold Gloves is usually whether there were any BAD fielders taken. While it seems like not every choice was the best, none of them were disasters.
   18. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 31, 2012 at 03:19 PM (#4289422)
Huh. Well, I guess Trout isn't the MVP then.
   19. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: October 31, 2012 at 03:34 PM (#4289432)
If that's true, then Crawford wasn't much of a fielder this year. Rollins has two seasons of better dWar than Crawford's 2012, and two nearly identical.


Or dWAR is bullshit, which is the right answer to this question.
   20. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 31, 2012 at 03:39 PM (#4289435)
Rollins was an excellent defensive shortstop when he was younger. There's nothing in his DRS numbers that look off to me. He's now reasonably competent for a 30-something shortstop. (DRS thinks he's a touch worse than that.) As is common with the gold gloves, Rollins is winning them not when he might have deserved them, but later in honor of his play earlier in his career.
   21. Swedish Chef Posted: October 31, 2012 at 03:56 PM (#4289452)
In other Yankees news, Rafael Soriano has opted out and is a free agent.
   22. Walt Davis Posted: October 31, 2012 at 04:52 PM (#4289494)
Huh. Well, I guess Trout isn't the MVP then.

Different set of voters.
   23. cardsfanboy Posted: October 31, 2012 at 05:13 PM (#4289513)
The picks weren't perfect, but my rubric for grading Gold Gloves is usually whether there were any BAD fielders taken. While it seems like not every choice was the best, none of them were disasters.


Agreed, it's a vote, so of course it would be useless to have a vote and expect it to line up perfectly with a stat of choice. I think the worse pick was probably Rollins or maybe Headley and both are probably average defensively at least. (don't care what the numbers say, Carlos Gonzalez is not a horrible fielder)
   24. cardsfanboy Posted: October 31, 2012 at 05:15 PM (#4289514)
Or dWAR is ########, which is the right answer to this question.


I was of the mind that dWar is pretty good to use as a comparison between two players of the same position(with notable exceptions based upon defensive alignment)
   25. Dan Posted: October 31, 2012 at 05:37 PM (#4289536)
It seems like the advanced metrics always hate Rockies OFers. So I would take CarGo's numbers with more than a grain of salt.
   26. cardsfanboy Posted: October 31, 2012 at 07:51 PM (#4289641)
It seems like the advanced metrics always hate Rockies OFers. So I would take CarGo's numbers with more than a grain of salt.


Yep, I don't know if I trust advanced defensive metrics in regards to Rockies, Cubs or Red Sox outfielders, all first baseman and catchers, and unrelated, but all park effects for the AL West.
   27. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 31, 2012 at 08:11 PM (#4289647)
In other Yankees news, Rafael Soriano has opted out and is a free agent.

If the Yankees are serious about getting under the luxury tax threshold, they shouldn't make a big dollar, multi-year offer. They have Robertson & Chamberlain, so they should be OK, assuming Rivera comes back. Not sure I'd even give Soriano a qualifying offer, since he might take it if the multi-year offers are too much lower in average annual value.

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