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Friday, August 10, 2012

ESPN: Rafael Palmeiro supports Clemens, Bonds

“You’re talking about, in my opinion, probably the best pitcher of all-time and the greatest player of all time,” Palmeiro said. “Keep them out and then the Hall of Fame has no credibility.”

...Palmeiro was voted on just 11 percent of the ballots in his first attempt into the Hall of Fame in 2011. He received 12.6 percent in 2012, well short of the 75 percent needed from voting members of the Baseball Writers Association of America. And he seems to understand it’s unlikely he’ll get enough votes to make it to Cooperstown.

“I put that behind me already,” said Palmeiro, who was in Arlington after being voted by the fans as one of the greatest Rangers of all time as part of the club’s 40th anniversary celebration. “I know what kind of career I had. I’m good with it. I can look at myself in the mirror and feel good and proud of what I accomplished. The Hall of Fame would be icing on the cake, but if it doesn’t happen, I’m fine with it. I will accept that and move on and live with it.”

...“We’re talking a different level of player,” Palmeiro said. “Clemens and Bonds, 10 years before they retired they were the best players in the game. These guys dominated the game before anything was ever mentioned about anything.

“So it’s going to be interesting. I don’t know if they’re going to get in or not. But I’m sure they’d say the same thing. They didn’t play the game for the Hall of Fame. They played the game because they loved to play the game as kids growing up and it was their career, it was the way they made a living for their families and that’s what’s important.”

Thanks to Butch.

Repoz Posted: August 10, 2012 at 05:35 PM | 16 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Mefisto Posted: August 10, 2012 at 06:13 PM (#4205712)
Roger and Barry simultaneously: "Raffy, I beg you not to help me."
   2. The District Attorney Posted: August 10, 2012 at 06:16 PM (#4205717)
So Bonds supports Clemens, and Palmeiro supports Bonds and Clemens. Weird journalistic trend to solicit these reactions. Do we know how Dick Allen feels about whether Gil Hodges should be elected? Or how Deacon White feels about Bill Dahlen?
   3. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: August 10, 2012 at 07:01 PM (#4205761)
Was he pointing when he said this?

But man, juice or no juice Palmeiro could rake- 3000+ / 550+ / 1800+ 73rd all time in Offensive WAR? Good thing absolutely everyone who juiced was putting up those same numbers or someone might think there was some genuine talent involved with this guy - like the Rangers clearly do.
   4. tjm1 Posted: August 10, 2012 at 07:48 PM (#4205803)
Do we know how Dick Allen feels about whether Gil Hodges should be elected? Or how Deacon White feels about Bill Dahlen?


Or, maybe more relevantly, how Pete Rose feels about Shoeless Joe Jackson?
   5. shoewizard Posted: August 10, 2012 at 08:08 PM (#4205815)
I used to be proud of the fact that I was born in Cooperstown. Now it just doesn't have the same cache. (In the circles I run in anyway)
   6. Karl from NY Posted: August 10, 2012 at 08:50 PM (#4205836)
Weird journalistic trend to solicit these reactions.

Makes sense. It makes for a pretty easy story, get a few quotes from a retired player who doesn't have much else to do, and write a few sentences of commentary. And it does double or triple duty on subject matter, fans and haters with opinions on any of the names involved will click through and read it.

As for the subject matter, duh of course Raffy would support them, he ain't getting near a parsec of the place if they don't go in. Pretty much all the PED users and prime suspects have a vested interest in supporting each other to break down that barrier.
   7. DKDC Posted: August 10, 2012 at 09:23 PM (#4205855)
Pol Pot supports Hitler, Stalin.
   8. SoSH U at work Posted: August 10, 2012 at 09:36 PM (#4205867)
I used to be proud of the fact that I was born in Cooperstown. Now it just doesn't have the same cache.


Damn that Barry Halper.

   9. bjhanke Posted: August 11, 2012 at 12:41 AM (#4205947)
Sigh. My mom the English teacher won't shut up. The word you're looking for is "cachet", pronounced "cash - SAY." The word "cache" means a squirreled away collection of stuff, and is pronounced "cash." Sorry. Talk to mom.

Deacon White thinks that Bill Dahlen, Dick Allen, Gil Hodges, Pete Rose, Joe Jackson, Barry Bonds, Rafael Palmeiro and Roger Clemens should all go to church more often. - Brock Hanke
   10. Walt Davis Posted: August 11, 2012 at 01:20 AM (#4205976)
pronounced "cash - SAY

Maybe in Missouri.
   11. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: August 11, 2012 at 02:31 AM (#4205991)
Cooperstown doesn't have the same cache, either-- at least not since HoF personnel started stealing the merchandise and selling it.
   12. bjhanke Posted: August 13, 2012 at 04:16 AM (#4207056)
Walt - You generally know what you're talking about. I looked up "cachet" in the OED, and it gives the pronunciation I cited. On the other hand, the OED is an old book and the language changes, and I've mostly run into the word in older plays, where imported French words are often spoken as if they were still in French. Has the pronunciation of "cachet" changed on me? I'd hate to lose any of my cachet because I can't even pronounce the word right. - Brock
   13. Cooper Nielson Posted: August 13, 2012 at 07:24 AM (#4207072)
I used to work with a guy who used "cache" when he meant "cachet" (in his online column) ALL THE TIME. I would correct it, I would gently explain to him the difference, and then two weeks later it would be back again. Then he started writing it as the non-word "caché," as if that made him more correct.

Brock, I think you're either reading the dictionary wrong, or you need to re-read what you wrote. The standard pronunciation of "cachet" is "cash-SHAY" (or more like "ca-SHAY") not "cash-SAY," which would be a heckuva tongue-twister.
   14. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: August 13, 2012 at 08:49 AM (#4207098)
Cooper Nielson is correct.

"Caché" is a real word in French, though. (meaning "hidden") That's where our word "cache" comes from. But I think the English word has always had a silent E.
   15. bjhanke Posted: August 13, 2012 at 11:45 AM (#4207215)
Cooper and Crispix, thanks. I had the pronunciation right all the time (ca-SHAY), but wrote it down wrong. It's wroth mentioning that the OED has a weird way of listing the pronunciation of words. In the OED, "cachet" is listed as having only one syllable, although all the sounds are represented and cover the entire pronunciation. They just don't think that the difference in syllables, which is obvious to me, is completely correct. - Thanks again, Brock. You'd never guess how often that word comes up in my normal conversations.
   16. PepTech Posted: August 13, 2012 at 12:28 PM (#4207244)
Oh, good, a Wordsmith Corner. Anyone else have a co-worker who uses "supposably" all the time?

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