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Tuesday, September 02, 2008

ESPN: Smith: Why don’t black people play fantasy? Allow me to explain

Stephen A. at his Cheese Doodlin’ best.

Next I dial up ESPN’s senior director of fantasy sports, Matthew Berry, a.k.a. the Talented Mr. Roto. “When you figure out the reason,” he says, “please let me know.”

Will do. But honestly, I’m not surprised to learn that so few blacks are among the 30 million people who participate in fantasy sports. I’ve always thought that a lot of these guys (and 96% of them are guys) are nerds desperately in need of more sociable leisure time activities. Leisure time for black folks historically consists of direct interaction, the kind of experience you get at a family barbecue or hanging out with friends. Sitting in front of a computer screen pretending to be Bill Parcells? Sounds like work to me.

FSTA research shows that only 1.6% of fantasy players are black, 2.3% are Latino and 1.1% are Asian. And the more I learn about the typical fantasy player, the more I think most minorities simply have better things to do. “The people who play fantasy are more into sports, more hard-core than the average fan,” Berry says. “The reason the NFL embraced fantasy in such a big way is that it found that fantasy players watch three hours more football a week than the average football fan.”

Repoz Posted: September 02, 2008 at 02:11 PM | 120 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Alex meets the threshold for granular review Posted: September 02, 2008 at 02:19 PM (#2925742)
1.1% are Asian


Too much time on Starcraft.
   2. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: September 02, 2008 at 02:23 PM (#2925750)
You see, black dudes, they drive like this.

And white dudes drive like this!

"Better things to do?"

Really?
   3. Toolsy McClutch Posted: September 02, 2008 at 02:24 PM (#2925752)
I love these cheese doodles!

I'm Italian, and I play in fantasy hoops and baseball leagues that are about 60% Asian. That may account for half that count.
   4. Van Lingle Mungo Jerry Posted: September 02, 2008 at 02:26 PM (#2925757)
As with anything written, said or thought by Stephen A. Smith, it's a trap.
   5. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: September 02, 2008 at 02:27 PM (#2925758)
Blacks, Latinos and Asians may not have some of the necessities to be, let's say, fantasy players.
   6. Nineto Lezcano needs to get his shit together (CW) Posted: September 02, 2008 at 02:32 PM (#2925765)
But honestly, I’m not surprised to learn that so few blacks are among the 30 million people who participate in fantasy sports. I’ve always thought that a lot of these guys (and 96% of them are guys) are nerds desperately in need of more sociable leisure time activities. Leisure time for black folks historically consists of direct interaction, the kind of experience you get at a family barbecue or hanging out with friends. Sitting in front of a computer screen pretending to be Bill Parcells? Sounds like work to me.


Yep, that's what we're constantly hearing about young, male African-Americans. Have plenty of sociable leisure time activities. Spend lot of time at family barbecues.

Yep.
   7. Old Matt Posted: September 02, 2008 at 02:32 PM (#2925766)
Wow.
   8. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 02, 2008 at 02:34 PM (#2925770)
I can't believe ESPN lets him write things like this.
   9. JoeHova Posted: September 02, 2008 at 02:38 PM (#2925776)
Well, there is something to be said about fantasy sports being nerdy and a waste of time. That doesn't mean they aren't fun.
   10. Lassus Posted: September 02, 2008 at 02:39 PM (#2925779)
Wow.

No, I don't think that's it; I'm not all that sure blacks play a lot of this, either.
   11. RJ in TO Posted: September 02, 2008 at 02:41 PM (#2925782)
It's simple.

Black people are more likely to live in urban settings than rural settings.

Living in an urban setting means that you're much more likely to live in an apartment than a house.

Living in an apartment means that you're less likely to have a basement.

Thus, we can see that black people are much less likely to be basement-dwelling stat-head losers who are obsessed with fantasy sports, you damn slide-rule using nerds.
   12. McCoy Posted: September 02, 2008 at 02:42 PM (#2925783)
Well, to play fantasy sports one has to own a computer and pay the internet bill. But that sounds like work.


edit: and after RTFA that is apparently it.
   13. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: September 02, 2008 at 02:42 PM (#2925784)
The black guy who played in my league last year will be surprised to find out.
   14. Fridas Boss Posted: September 02, 2008 at 02:47 PM (#2925790)
13. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: September 02, 2008 at 10:42 AM (#2925784)

The black guy who played in my league last year will be surprised to find out.


FInd out what? He's likely not black?
   15. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: September 02, 2008 at 02:47 PM (#2925793)
Well, to play fantasy sports one has to own a computer and pay the internet bill. But that sounds like work.


Not necessarily. We have one guy in our football league without a computer. The year I was commisioner, he'd call me up on Sunday morning with his picks.
   16. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: September 02, 2008 at 02:52 PM (#2925797)
I RTFA. I dig the pic of the guy from Kraftwerk.
   17. RJ in TO Posted: September 02, 2008 at 02:59 PM (#2925808)
Not necessarily. We have one guy in our football league without a computer. The year I was commisioner, he'd call me up on Sunday morning with his picks.


I knew a guy who did a degree in Software Engineering without owning a computer. As long as you have access to a PC, it doesn't matter too much, and anyone can get access to a computer now without too much inconvenience.
   18. andrewberg Posted: September 02, 2008 at 03:02 PM (#2925815)
I was in a fantasy nba last year where I was the one white guy among 9 black guys.
   19. David Wrightwing obstructionist Posted: September 02, 2008 at 03:03 PM (#2925817)
My boss is a black man and has been playing fantasy football(and basketball) for years. The last 3 he has brought me along to help draft his teams for him in a couple leagues. Other than forcing me to draft Duece McAllister last year he has a pretty good idea of what he is doing.

We started our own league so he could introduce some of his friends to fantasy, all black. 10 team league, 5 black, 4 white and a mexican. Either I'm a pioneer or a kiss ass, but I do drink for free at these drafts.
   20. Tom Nawrocki Posted: September 02, 2008 at 03:03 PM (#2925818)
Yep, that's what we're constantly hearing about young, male African-Americans. Have plenty of sociable leisure time activities. Spend lot of time at family barbecues.

No offense, but I suspect that Stephen A. Smith knows a lot more about how young male African-Americans spend their leisure time than you do.

On the weekends around here, I sure see an awful lot of extended African-American families having barbecues in the park.
   21. StHendu Posted: September 02, 2008 at 03:10 PM (#2925832)
No offense, but I suspect that Stephen A. Smith knows a lot more about how young male African-Americans spend their leisure time than you do.

I'm offended! No way Smith knows more about anything than anyone else. It's part of the criteria for being hired by Disney. A Fark poster recently summed it up correctly:
ESPN seems to have made a successful business model of creating as much noise as possible. You know how when someone honks everyone looks? ESPN is like that, except they passed out with their forehead on the horn. When anyone comes in the vicinity they can't help but look, but quickly feel the need to get away.
   22. SoSH U at work Posted: September 02, 2008 at 03:15 PM (#2925836)
What I'd really like explained is why do so many white dudes play fantasy?
   23. RJ in TO Posted: September 02, 2008 at 03:18 PM (#2925839)
What I'd really like explained is why do so many white dudes play fantasy?


Because when I play fantasy sports, I don't wake up the next morning wondering why I feel like someone beat the living hell out of me?

Also, for me, it's a way to keep in touch with a bunch of my buddies who I otherwise don't have much of a chance to talk with.
   24. Cooperstown Schtick Posted: September 02, 2008 at 03:20 PM (#2925843)
I seriously doubt that Stephen A. Smith is any more qualified to discuss what the average young African-American male is doing these days than anybody else.

That said, on a site that so fiercely punishes small sample sizes, I love that people are chipping in with stories of the black guys in their fantasy leagues. It's hard to tell if the purpose is to refute the article or brag about knowing of some in the face of such a small percentage.

Because when I play fantasy sports, I don't wake up the next morning wondering why I feel like someone beat the living hell out of me?

Well, then I say you're not playing it right.
   25. Chase Utley, Shooty's Favorite Robot (Joey Belle) Posted: September 02, 2008 at 03:24 PM (#2925848)
I saw a black person in Calgary once. I'm not sure if he plays fantasy though.
   26. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: September 02, 2008 at 03:31 PM (#2925853)
On the weekends around here, I sure see an awful lot of extended African-American families having barbecues in the park.


I saw one of those last nite next door to the Irish chick's place.

Also, for me, it's a way to keep in touch with a bunch of my buddies who I otherwise don't have much of a chance to talk with.


Ditto. My IRL friends are more football fans than baseball so we play fantasy football. Not only is our league all white, I believe it's 90% Catholic. (A bunch of us went to the same parochial school.)
   27. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: September 02, 2008 at 03:33 PM (#2925854)
"FInd out what? He's likely not black?"

Yeah, I would've never guessed anyone could be that tan.

"I saw a black person in Calgary once."

I bet it was Anson Carter. You should've asked for his autograph.
   28. Gambling Rent Czar Posted: September 02, 2008 at 03:49 PM (#2925877)
If i had to guess, I would say that minorities spend more time per week/month/year doing family related functions than your average white family, a lot more time, but it is not the reason why they don't play fantasy.
   29. Gambling Rent Czar Posted: September 02, 2008 at 03:51 PM (#2925879)
Also, i have been playing fantasy for years, and have never once been asked my skin color. How could they possibly know the answer to this?

edit: never mind, i see where they did a survey.
   30. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: September 02, 2008 at 03:51 PM (#2925880)
Besides, isn't most fantasy played during work-time, not free time?
   31. UCCF Posted: September 02, 2008 at 03:53 PM (#2925881)
Also, for me, it's a way to keep in touch with a bunch of my buddies who I otherwise don't have much of a chance to talk with.

Double ditto. The only fantasy leagues I've ever entered involved groups of my friends/coworkers. I have no real interest in getting into a league with a bunch of total strangers. The average intelligence and social skills of a Yahoo! fantasy league owner must hover down near the average intelligence and social skills of someone who takes Screamin' A seriously.

Is this guy still the face of ESPN? Is his talk show still on? I haven't watched ESPN in at least 6 months, and the honking (honky?) analogy posted above is an excellent explanation why.

Anecdotal side note: we started a 10-team fantasy football league at work, and 3 of the owners are women. And not just women - hardcore football fan women. They knew a lot more about it than I did, that's for sure. So why don't more women play fantasy sports? Is there a Screamin' A female equivalent to raise this question somewhere? Is the answer that leisure time for wimmen folk historically consists of direct interaction, the kind of experience you get at a family barbecue or hanging out with friends.
   32. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: September 02, 2008 at 03:56 PM (#2925884)
It doesn't really need to be said here, but if a white man had made some analagous statement, he'd be fired.

This is race-baiting at its worst.
   33. RJ in TO Posted: September 02, 2008 at 03:57 PM (#2925886)
So why don't more women play fantasy sports?


You've already answered it:

The average intelligence and social skills of a Yahoo! fantasy league owner must hover down near the average intelligence and social skills of someone who takes Screamin' A seriously.


If those guys figure out there's a woman in their league, they'll start either:
a) Relentlessly hitting on her,or
b) Calling her a #####.
It's not exactly the most friendly environment.
   34. Gambling Rent Czar Posted: September 02, 2008 at 03:58 PM (#2925887)
This is race-baiting at its worst.
somebody did a survey, and Stephen Smith wrote about it. How is it baiting?
   35. JMPH Posted: September 02, 2008 at 04:00 PM (#2925889)
At the risk of my own health, I read the comments section of the article.

...people like Stephen A Smith and Obama have to make everything about race to show that they belong, its getting ridiculous.


Evidently, Barack Obama is the new Albert Belle.
   36. Gambling Rent Czar Posted: September 02, 2008 at 04:00 PM (#2925891)
the editor in chief of The Mag told me he was curious why so few black people play fantasy sports. And oh, by the way, he wanted me to do some research and write a column on it.

Fine, boss, you got it.
   37. SoSH U at work Posted: September 02, 2008 at 04:02 PM (#2925893)
somebody did a survey, and Stephen Smith wrote about it. How is it baiting?


I've got to agree here. Some editors at ESPN went to the black guy to find out why so few black guys play fantasy sports. Unless you want to punish the guy who asked him, I can't say that Smith should be taken to task for opining why?
   38. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: September 02, 2008 at 04:02 PM (#2925894)
Actually, much of the article is well-researched and statements are backed up by survey results, which I can respect. But the man made two pronouncements from on high:

Leisure time for black folks historically consists of direct interaction, the kind of experience you get at a family barbecue or hanging out with friends.


And the more I learn about the typical fantasy player, the more I think most minorities simply have better things to do.


Neither of these are supported by anything, and I think both of them take the racial speech in this country the wrong way.

Assigning value judgments based on the race of the participant is racist in my book, and I stand by my "baiting" comment.
   39. UCCF Posted: September 02, 2008 at 04:03 PM (#2925896)
Isn't the real answer that there's more peer pressure among young black men not to come off as a dorky stats nerd than there is among young white men? What's the percentage of SABR membership that is white males (maybe such data don't exist - anecdotally, from those who have attended the conventions, what's an estimate)? There's a nerdy white male niche that exists in this country - Star Trek fans, gaming geeks, fantasy sports, sabermetrics, Comic-con guys. It's stereotyped, even celebrated, in TV and the movies. How many sitcoms have gotten mileage out of the geeky young white guy with glasses and no social skills? It's mocked by many, but accepted by enough to be self-perpetuating. I don't know that a similar niche exists among young black males.
   40. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: September 02, 2008 at 04:04 PM (#2925897)
Evidently, Barack Obama is the new Albert Belle.
At least he isn't the new Screamin' A Smith.
   41. bads85 Posted: September 02, 2008 at 04:05 PM (#2925898)
FSTA used an internet poll to conduct this survey. The article could have been written as to why black people don't participate in internet pools. The poll also found that less than 25% of fantasy football players drink beer while watching football, which according to FSTA, is radically different than most male football fans. However, their poll seems to have a disportionate amount of teenagers participating in it.
   42. bads85 Posted: September 02, 2008 at 04:06 PM (#2925900)
Actually, much of the article is well-researched and statements are backed up by survey results


Have you looked at the survey? It is a joke.
   43. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 02, 2008 at 04:07 PM (#2925902)
How is it baiting?

The facts aren't baiting, the commentary is. Having someone who thinks as little (in general) as Smith does about issues as complex as why members of different races play fantasy sports and then comment on them is a hot button issue waiting to happen. Anyone who let this happen knew that someone would be upset by whatever is was Smith had to say, he's not thoughtful enough to come up with a reasonable explanation for the facts, and that's why ESPN let him write this, they knew it would stir up controversy and attention.

Edited for clarity.
   44. UCCF Posted: September 02, 2008 at 04:08 PM (#2925903)
If those guys figure out there's a woman in their league, they'll start either:
a) Relentlessly hitting on her,or
b) Calling her a #####.
It's not exactly the most friendly environment.


Very true. I have to say, I feel bad for women where the internet is concerned. Message boards and chat rooms have given guys everywhere an open invitation to treat women like crap, when if they did so in real life they'd be fired/broken up with/kneed repeatedly in the groin. If you try to fight back, you're a #####. If you sit there and take it, it's because you really want it that way and long for some serious deep ####### to put you in your place.

Which is sad, because I'm not saying that women can't defend themselves. But you can't really defend yourself against someone operating under the safe cloak of anonymity 1000 miles away. There's no recourse for him to make him change his behavior. If he drives you away, he wins. If he engages you, he wins. Either way, he gets what he wants.

I wonder what percentage of online message board trolls are females? Gotta be far less than the percentage of fantasy players who are black.
   45. bads85 Posted: September 02, 2008 at 04:12 PM (#2925905)
The facts aren't baiting, the commentary is.


So is the initial picture of the white guy on the computer circa the 1960's. I am so enraged I want to march on Bristol.
   46. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: September 02, 2008 at 04:13 PM (#2925906)
I wonder what percentage of online message board trolls are females? Gotta be far less than the percentage of fantasy players who are black.


You didn't see Linda Cohn's article on this?
   47. Gambling Rent Czar Posted: September 02, 2008 at 04:14 PM (#2925909)
he's not thoughtful enough to come up with a reasonable explanation for the facts

right there in the article.
Of all the opinions I collected on the racial disparity, though, one of the most interesting came from Kim Beason, an associate professor at Ole Miss who's also the CEO of Fantasy Sport Research Specialists. Basically, Beason's six years of research shows that people who have well-paying jobs with fast Internet connections are more likely to play fantasy sports. "When you break it down, it appears the disparity has to do with a critical mass of individuals who are together discussing fantasy sports," he tells me. "Up to now, that has mostly occurred in the white workplace. And a lot of time, it's on the Internet." But as the web grows, this potential audience is becoming more diverse, which makes Matt Berry a happy man. "Fantasy sports players consume the most media," he says. "And the demographic—males, mid-30s, college educated, income of $75,000, who have high-speed Internet—is a real sweet spot for advertisers."[/quote
   48. Chase Utley, Shooty's Favorite Robot (Joey Belle) Posted: September 02, 2008 at 04:15 PM (#2925910)
I bet it was Anson Carter. You should've asked for his autograph.


It was actually Jarome Iginla. I'm not sure where Anson Carter is now.
   49. UCCF Posted: September 02, 2008 at 04:15 PM (#2925911)
So is the initial picture of the white guy on the computer circa the 1960's. I am so enraged I want to march on Bristol.

I would come to participate in the Million Nerd March. Bill Gates could be our Jesse Jackson.
   50. UCCF Posted: September 02, 2008 at 04:18 PM (#2925914)
Basically, Beason's six years of research shows that people who have well-paying jobs with fast Internet connections are more likely to play fantasy sports.

This is a largely non-controversial conclusion that wouldn't drive nearly as many page hits to ESPN as saying that black people have better stuff to do than get involved in something as silly as fantasy sports.

(And maybe he makes this point. But I won't RTFA, because I refuse to click through to something on the ESPN site, let alone something written by this waste of breath.)
   51. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 02, 2008 at 04:20 PM (#2925917)
right there in the article.

And yet, with a perfectly reasonable explanation in his own article, he still finds the space for nonsense like this:

Will do. But honestly, I’m not surprised to learn that so few blacks are among the 30 million people who participate in fantasy sports. I’ve always thought that a lot of these guys (and 96% of them are guys) are nerds desperately in need of more sociable leisure time activities. Leisure time for black folks historically consists of direct interaction, the kind of experience you get at a family barbecue or hanging out with friends. Sitting in front of a computer screen pretending to be Bill Parcells? Sounds like work to me.

That's subjective, generalizations about a large group of people that doesn't have any evidence to support it, just Smith's own point of view. There's a good chance that some people will disagree with him, some vehemently, because it's discussing race and it's not commentary based on fact. And I think that's probably what ESPN is hoping for.
   52. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 02, 2008 at 04:23 PM (#2925924)
Besides, isn't most fantasy played during work-time, not free time?

I bet this has a lot to do with it.

I imagine a much highere percentage of white males have a job that involves sitting in front of a computer all day.

If you work in construction, for example, fantasy sports cuts into your leisure time.

If you work in IT, not so much.

That doesn't explain the Asians, though. Probably a much higher % of immigrants who aren't football or baseball fans.
   53. Cabbage Posted: September 02, 2008 at 04:23 PM (#2925925)
I don't know that a similar niche exists among young black males.

Steve Urkel frowns upon you shenanigans.
   54. Gambling Rent Czar Posted: September 02, 2008 at 04:23 PM (#2925926)
Neither of these are supported by anything, and I think both of them take the racial speech in this country the wrong way
this was just plain funny. its fricking ESPN. Sports for gods sake.

and as i said in #28, i wouldn't be the least bit surprised to find out his wasn't true. Heck I'd lay money on it being true ..
Leisure time for black folks historically consists of direct interaction, the kind of experience you get at a family barbecue or hanging out with friends.
   55. SoSH U at work Posted: September 02, 2008 at 04:24 PM (#2925927)
But why go to Stephen Smith if you want well-researched material? That's not exactly his bailiwick.

They went directly to the loud-mouthed black guy to find out why other black guys don't play fantasy sports. Why would anyone be surprised and/or offended that the loud-mouthed black guy offered this kind of commentary? That's why he's on the damn payroll.
   56. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 02, 2008 at 04:27 PM (#2925932)
But why go to Stephen Smith if you want well-researched material?

I'm not, but ESPN is a primary source of sports news to a lot of people. And I'm sure ESPN is hoping to goad a few of them into getting upset about this when they inevitably click on the link.

That's why he's on the damn payroll.

Yes, that's sort of the point. This is all contrived, that's why he's doing the analysis on an article like this.
   57. Gambling Rent Czar Posted: September 02, 2008 at 04:33 PM (#2925939)
I'm not, but ESPN is a primary source of sports news to a lot of people. And I'm sure ESPN is hoping to goad a few of them into getting upset about this when they inevitably click on the link.
I wonder what repoz's motives were for linking to it? My guess is the motivations are the same for both editors.

edit: the funny part is the people upset over the piece, but refuse to read it. Classic.
   58. no neck Posted: September 02, 2008 at 04:35 PM (#2925940)
I would guess that paint ball is 96% whities.
   59. David Wrightwing obstructionist Posted: September 02, 2008 at 04:39 PM (#2925947)
Isn't the real answer that there's more peer pressure among young black men not to come off as a dorky stats nerd than there is among young white men?

From my own experiences, I would agree with this. I've been drafting for or with my boss now for 3 years, it originally started because he had to leave the country on business and asked me if I would attend for him. We won the SB that year and smashed league records, so since then, he always asks me to come along. The draft I went to with him this year is a high dollar league(500/team) most teams have 2 owners. He knows everything just fine, but he understands my knowledge of the league is deeper, for instance I pleaded with him to draft AP last year.

He splits this league with another of his black friends(who took 2nd last year in the league my boss and I started). The other teams refer to us as Verizon and make jokes about our overhead cutting into profit. But the let the stat geek handle it while we kick back and drink beer and joke with everyone was played out to a T this year.
   60. Greg Schuler Posted: September 02, 2008 at 04:47 PM (#2925959)
Next up for Stephen A. Smith - why do black people like menthol cigarettes.
   61. Greg Schuler Posted: September 02, 2008 at 04:47 PM (#2925961)
And since it seems everyone has to do it in the comments:

Played in one fantasy league at work. One of the participants was black, but of English descent. What of it?
   62. no neck Posted: September 02, 2008 at 04:50 PM (#2925965)
This one time I seen this black guy with a racing forum ....old school.
   63. Tom Nawrocki Posted: September 02, 2008 at 04:51 PM (#2925968)
One of the participants was black, but of English descent.

Corinne Bailey Rae is really great at digging up bargain-basement pitching. Always has been, always will be.
   64. Gambling Rent Czar Posted: September 02, 2008 at 04:53 PM (#2925973)
Next up for Stephen A. Smith - why do black people like menthol cigarettes.
if his editor asked him to do so, i imagine he would. Its his job to follow orders, right? Reading the comments around here, he is not allowed to add any commentary.

Apparently this largely white board, a board that spends hours a day in front of a keyboard, knows more about what the average black man does in his leisure time, than a black man.

I find that hilarious.
   65. The District Attorney Posted: September 02, 2008 at 04:53 PM (#2925974)
Not necessarily. We have one guy in our football league without a computer. The year I was commisioner, he'd call me up on Sunday morning with his picks.
Okay, but we need to know what color he is.
   66. bads85 Posted: September 02, 2008 at 04:56 PM (#2925978)
>>>I would come to participate in the Million Nerd March. Bill Gates could be our Jesse Jackson.<<<

When I said "march", is was a slight euphemism for blowing the place to holy hell. Bristol is infested with nerds, and they must pay also as someone keeps perpetuating the computer geek stereotype. As a good looking, sexually active heterosexual white male, I am tired of being lumped with the geeks because I use a computer and play fantasy sports. I will no longer being Stephen A. Smith's or any snarky sportsreporter's whipping boy. The time has come to beat some ass.
   67. bads85 Posted: September 02, 2008 at 05:01 PM (#2925983)
Beason's six years of research shows that people who have well-paying jobs with fast Internet connections are more likely to play fantasy sports.


Beason's research consists of begging (negotiating) websites to post links to his surveys. How many people with slow internet connections are going to take part in surveys?

On an unrelated note, Beason, an assiciate prof, almost was fired by Ole Miss for conducting a fantasy footbal draft in a classroom.
   68. Greg Schuler Posted: September 02, 2008 at 05:03 PM (#2925985)
Corinne Bailey Rae is really great at digging up bargain-basement pitching. Always has been, always will be.

It was actually fantasy football and he was middle of the pack in terms of results.
   69. Cooperstown Schtick Posted: September 02, 2008 at 05:03 PM (#2925986)
As a good looking, sexually active heterosexual white male, I am tired of being lumped with the geeks because I use a computer and play fantasy sports.

They should do a poll on sexually active fantasy players and ask Rich Eisen to write about it.
   70. bads85 Posted: September 02, 2008 at 05:06 PM (#2925987)
Apparently this largely white board, a board that spends hours a day in front of a keyboard, knows more about what the average black man does in his leisure time, than a black man.


Just because a man is black doesn't mean he knows anymore about the average black man than anyone else. This is Stephen A. Smith being discussed, who is about as "real" as Vanilla Ice.
   71. Greg Schuler Posted: September 02, 2008 at 05:06 PM (#2925988)
if his editor asked him to do so, i imagine he would. Its his job to follow orders, right? Reading the comments around here, he is not allowed to add any commentary.

Apparently this largely white board, a board that spends hours a day in front of a keyboard, knows more about what the average black man does in his leisure time, than a black man.

I find that hilarious.


Sorry the Chappelle was lost on you - but I think the answer to both is "because". Who really cares why blacks (say black people) don't participate in fantasy sports according to one poll that may or may not be relevant or well constructed.

I don't pretend (or care, frankly) to know or observe what anyone but me does in their spare time (smoking a pipe and reading Wittgenstein). Will this because a cause celebre like the declining participation of young African-American males in baseball? It's basically the same reason - they apparently lack the means to participate. Therefore, when a kid joins RBI or some similar program, make them join a fantasy league. Kill two birds with one stone.
   72. bads85 Posted: September 02, 2008 at 05:07 PM (#2925989)
They should do a poll on sexually active fantasy players and ask Rich Eisen to write about it.


We are too busy doing other things than to participate in silly internet polls.
   73. Sheer Tim Foli Posted: September 02, 2008 at 05:08 PM (#2925991)
Apparently this largely white board, a board that spends hours a day in front of a keyboard, knows more about what the average black man does in his leisure time, than a black man.

In case you haven't noticed this largely white board knows more than the average anybody knows about anything.
   74. Lassus Posted: September 02, 2008 at 05:09 PM (#2925992)
As a good looking, sexually active heterosexual white male, I am tired of being lumped with the geeks because I use a computer and play fantasy sports.

One of us... one of us.... one of us......
   75. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: September 02, 2008 at 05:10 PM (#2925993)
Okay, but we need to know what color he is.


Post 26 covers this.
   76. Random Transaction Generator Posted: September 02, 2008 at 05:13 PM (#2925995)
"I saw a black person in Calgary once."

I bet it was Anson Carter. You should've asked for his autograph.


Actually, it was probably Jarome Iginla.
   77. Cooperstown Schtick Posted: September 02, 2008 at 05:14 PM (#2925998)
We are too busy too other things than to participate in silly internet polls.

Well, apparently, so are young blac... oh. Oh, I get it now.
   78. no neck Posted: September 02, 2008 at 05:28 PM (#2926011)
Apparently this largely white board, a board that spends hours a day in front of a keyboard, knows more about what the average black man does in his leisure time, than a black man.


Yes that is true. You don't know how many times I tried to explain all things black to Barack over a cold one at the Cell back in the day.
   79. The District Attorney Posted: September 02, 2008 at 05:32 PM (#2926018)
Post 26 covers this.
Damn your oily hide!!!
   80. MM1f Posted: September 02, 2008 at 05:32 PM (#2926019)
I will have y'all know I am in a league with a semi-well known rapper and a couple producers. So.. booyah
   81. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: September 02, 2008 at 05:34 PM (#2926025)
this was just plain funny. its fricking ESPN. Sports for gods sake.

It's the mainstream media, and Smith's words are in the national conversation. Yes, the "enlighenment bar" is lower, but it's not nonexistent. An audience as big as Smith commands deserves responsible discourse.
   82. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: September 02, 2008 at 05:39 PM (#2926031)
In case you haven't noticed this largely white board knows more than the average anybody knows about anything.


Now you will see that this largely white board will triumph, because the average anybody is dumb.
   83. The District Attorney Posted: September 02, 2008 at 05:41 PM (#2926035)
Largely White would be a good name for a rapper
   84. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: September 02, 2008 at 05:52 PM (#2926048)
Now you will see that this largely white board will triumph, because the average anybody is dumb


I thought that Patriot was the author of Walk Like A Sabermetrician.
   85. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: September 02, 2008 at 06:06 PM (#2926062)
this was just plain funny. its fricking ESPN. Sports for gods sake.

So if Buster Onley opines that blacks don't do fantasy because too many of them are in jail and WHIP is too complicated for them to understand, you are comfortable with that?
   86. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 02, 2008 at 06:16 PM (#2926074)
I will have y'all know I am in a league with a semi-well known rapper and a couple producers.

I figure Chi Ali has plenty of spare time.
   87. Biscuit_pants Posted: September 02, 2008 at 06:31 PM (#2926092)

I would come to participate in the Million Nerd March. Bill Gates could be our Jesse Jackson.
Never happen! Exactly a million people, I mean the odds of that are ridiculous!
   88. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: September 02, 2008 at 06:40 PM (#2926103)
I would come to participate in the Million Nerd March. Bill Gates could be our Jesse Jackson.

Louis Farrakhan is welcome to participate in this one too. He qualifies, with that suit and cute li'l bow-tie.
   89. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: September 02, 2008 at 06:41 PM (#2926105)
Bill Gates could be our Jesse Jackson.

If you don't use Vista, I'll th'ow down, sista'!
   90. Vida Blew Over the Legal Limit Posted: September 02, 2008 at 06:50 PM (#2926119)
I always draft my teams while in blackface. Does that count?
   91. bunyon Posted: September 02, 2008 at 06:52 PM (#2926122)
I am so enraged I want to march on Bristol.

So you're the father.
   92. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: September 02, 2008 at 06:58 PM (#2926134)
So if Buster Onley opines that blacks don't do fantasy because too many of them are in jail and WHIP is too complicated for them to understand, you are comfortable with that?


Well, living in the so-called Cradle of the Confederacy as I do, I did feel duty-bound to ask just how many prisons have internet access ...
   93. Charlie O Posted: September 02, 2008 at 07:02 PM (#2926139)
Fantasy baseball is an improvement on the cigar. It makes your wife get the hell away and leave you alone to enjoy yourself but it doesn't have the stink or health risks.
   94. KronicFatigue Posted: September 02, 2008 at 07:08 PM (#2926151)
Apparently this largely white board, a board that spends hours a day in front of a keyboard, knows more about what the average black man does in his leisure time, than a black man.

I find that hilarious.


Doesn't Joe Morgan make a similar argument when he refuses to listen to people who didn't actually play baseball?
   95. Hubie Brooks (Not Really) Posted: September 02, 2008 at 07:21 PM (#2926168)
Grand Theft Auto doesn't count?
   96. Chase Utley, Shooty's Favorite Robot (Joey Belle) Posted: September 02, 2008 at 07:22 PM (#2926173)
Doesn't Joe Morgan make a similar argument when he refuses to listen to people who didn't actually play baseball?


Joe Morgan hates black people?
   97. Best Dressed Chicken in Town Posted: September 02, 2008 at 07:31 PM (#2926188)
It doesn't really need to be said here, but if a white man had made some analagous statement, he'd be fired.

So if Buster Onley opines that blacks don't do fantasy because too many of them are in jail and WHIP is too complicated for them to understand, you are comfortable with that?


Never forget that if a comment on race is reversed, it means exactly the same thing to the poor oppressed white man.
   98. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: September 02, 2008 at 07:36 PM (#2926193)
"All right, we'll give some draft picks to the niggers and the chinks... but we DON'T want the Irish!"
   99. Vida Blew Over the Legal Limit Posted: September 02, 2008 at 07:49 PM (#2926211)
"All right, we'll give some draft picks to the niggers and the chinks... but we DON'T want the Irish!"

Ha! I often cite Blazing Saddles as the high-water mark for true racial understanding.
   100. aleskel Posted: September 02, 2008 at 07:51 PM (#2926212)
a friend of mine once invited a black guy to join our fantasy baseball league. I took him aside and said, "are you crazy, can't you see that man is a nih?!"
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