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Monday, December 05, 2011

ESPN: Source: Marlins up offer to Jose Reyes

Sound the Doom Trumpet! (just happened to be rummaging through them/him)

The Miami Marlins have put themselves in a position to acquire shortstop Jose Reyes.

The revamped franchise has offered Reyes a deal worth a minimum of $111 million, sources told ESPNDeportesLosAngeles.com.

According to the sources, Miami would pay Reyes $106 million for six years, with an option for a seventh year for $22 million. If they decide not to use the option, they would pay Reyes $5 million.

Earlier in the offseason, Miami offered Reyes a six-year, $90 million deal, which he rejected.

Repoz Posted: December 05, 2011 at 01:25 AM | 37 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Repoz Posted: December 05, 2011 at 01:38 AM (#4006830)
Joel Sherman is Tweeting that Mets are now out of the bidding for Reyes.
   2. cardsfanboy Posted: December 05, 2011 at 01:40 AM (#4006832)
Are the Marlins going to actually be serious in spending now that they have conned a new stadium? or is it all just show?
   3. Arbitol Dijaler Posted: December 05, 2011 at 01:53 AM (#4006839)
Mets won't beat it and they shouldn't, but this really really sucks.
   4. Lassus Posted: December 05, 2011 at 01:56 AM (#4006841)
Sigh. He couldn't end up in San Francisco or something?
   5. Textbook Editor Posted: December 05, 2011 at 02:00 AM (#4006850)
Man, Jimmy Rollins is going to be all kinds of pissed when no one offers him anything close to "Reyes money."

Rollins to the Mets would be all kinds of funny.
   6. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: December 05, 2011 at 02:01 AM (#4006851)
Incredibly frustrating to see him go. Best of luck, Jose.
   7. Rough Carrigan Posted: December 05, 2011 at 02:01 AM (#4006852)
Well, jeez, the Mets conned a new stadium, too. Why can't they spend?
Oh, yeah, their owners conned other investors.
Always good to know when to stop the grift.
   8. Textbook Editor Posted: December 05, 2011 at 02:05 AM (#4006853)
Pujols and Reyes and Bell would make for an interesting team down there in Miami. Add a couple of decent starters and they may be onto something...
   9. formerly dp Posted: December 05, 2011 at 02:16 AM (#4006861)
Mets won't beat it and they shouldn't, but this really really sucks.

I agree, really depressing. One of my favorite players to watch, day in and day out. I do hope they hold onto Wright for 2012 and see if he can bounce back. It'll be a long, long season without them.
   10. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: December 05, 2011 at 02:20 AM (#4006864)
Don't worry. The Mets will be getting him back two years from now, for two D prospects.
   11. Heinie Mantush (Krusty) Posted: December 05, 2011 at 02:21 AM (#4006867)
Rather than start missing Jose straight away, I'll wait till he's gone. Until then, I'll hold out hope. I wouldn't give him $111M, though. Tell me a lie?
   12. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: December 05, 2011 at 02:25 AM (#4006874)
It's a really dumb offer--unless they have no intention of keeping him after they buy the WS again.
   13. RJ in TO Posted: December 05, 2011 at 02:26 AM (#4006875)
Sigh. He couldn't end up in San Francisco or something?

Of course not. He's only 28.
   14. Sam M. Posted: December 05, 2011 at 02:34 AM (#4006880)
Does this make any sense to anyone else? They offer 6/$90M, it gets rejected . . . and they go from there to 6/$111M??? A $21M increase? Wouldn't a nice step be to first move your offer just over $100M and see what happens, especially leaving off the whole seventh year thing? Pretty odd.

And depressing.
   15. Arbitol Dijaler Posted: December 05, 2011 at 02:37 AM (#4006882)
Maybe the no trade will be a sticking point.
   16. Lassus Posted: December 05, 2011 at 02:41 AM (#4006883)
I agree with Sam. If all the figures are right, that's just kind of weird.
   17. RJ in TO Posted: December 05, 2011 at 02:41 AM (#4006885)
Does this make any sense to anyone else? They offer 6/$90M, it gets rejected . . . and they go from there to 6/$111M??? A $21M increase? Wouldn't a nice step be to first move your offer just over $100M and see what happens, especially leaving off the whole seventh year thing? Pretty odd.


I'd guess the significant bump is due to just how hard Jose Reyes' agent laughed at their first offer, and a follow up statement from him that anything less than X would be ignored or mocked publicly in the press.
   18. formerly dp Posted: December 05, 2011 at 02:50 AM (#4006892)
I'd guess the significant bump is due to just how hard Jose Reyes' agent laughed at their first offer, and a follow up statement from him that anything less than X would be ignored or mocked publicly in the press.

And the drive to get the deal done before the winter meetings. It's really hard to see anyone else going that high though, so I don't quite see the urgency.
   19. RJ in TO Posted: December 05, 2011 at 03:02 AM (#4006902)
It's really hard to see anyone else going that high though, so I don't quite see the urgency.

It only takes one panicky idiot to drive up the cost, and GMs have a good record of turning into panicky idiots when they have money to spend.
   20. JeffersJV Posted: December 05, 2011 at 03:05 AM (#4006906)
Could also be a Nats-Jayson Werth kind of move, trying to show they're serious about winning to lure in other guys. Not that I think the Werth signing really worked out as planned or anything, but it wouldn't surprise me if that was their line of thinking.
   21. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: December 05, 2011 at 03:22 AM (#4006915)
Could also be a Nats-Jayson Werth kind of move, trying to show they're serious about winning to lure in other guys.


Potentially. I think it's just as likely they're trying to show South Florida residents that, now that they got the shiny new stadium, you can trust them the skinflint ways are over. It may not be true, but they've got to at least go through the motions for a little while.

This is the (next)* best chance they're ever going to have to build a fanbase.

* After squandering the best chance.
   22. Arbitol Dijaler Posted: December 05, 2011 at 03:23 AM (#4006917)
I'm not going to be able to stop myself from hoping he gets injured and/or sucks. Maybe that makes me a bad person. Almost certainly.
   23. AJMcCringleberry Posted: December 05, 2011 at 03:23 AM (#4006918)
This makes me sad.

Joel Sherman is Tweeting that Mets are now out of the bidding for Reyes.

Cause they've been very active in attempting to sign him so far?
   24. Something Other Posted: December 05, 2011 at 03:27 AM (#4006922)
@21--sounds very plausible. If you figure the highest offer is likely to be 6/100, the extra 11m might be worth it to show you mean business, and to get the deal done while there's still plenty of time to go after other players on your wish list.

It could also be there was a solid offer from elsewhere we didn't know about.
   25. Arbitol Dijaler Posted: December 05, 2011 at 03:34 AM (#4006939)
Alderson confirms that if it's 6/111 the Mets are out.
   26. The District Attorney Posted: December 05, 2011 at 03:46 AM (#4006948)
Wrong tw?t, Buster.
Sources: The Marlins have agreed to terms with Hanley Ramirez.
   27. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: December 05, 2011 at 03:46 AM (#4006949)
The Sun Sentinel is saying that the numbers being reported are higher than they actually are. They're also saying a deal is imminent.
   28. The District Attorney Posted: December 05, 2011 at 04:02 AM (#4006955)
Robothal is less confused.
Sources: #Marlins, Reyes in agreement on six-year, $106M deal, pending physical.
   29. Darren Posted: December 05, 2011 at 04:03 AM (#4006956)
I think the big jump was probably the Marlins deciding they wanted to get it done. They could have gone up incrementally, but that would risk someone else jumping in.
   30. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 05, 2011 at 04:11 AM (#4006964)
Will they still be in on Pujols?
   31. clowns to the left of me; STEAGLES to the right Posted: December 05, 2011 at 04:11 AM (#4006966)
so, jose reyes, hanley ramirez, and ozzie guillen.


that could be a very entertaining powder keg.
   32. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: December 05, 2011 at 04:12 AM (#4006968)
Ugh, I'm a Yanks fan who is about to move back to my apartment in Jackson Heights. One of the best things about living there is I can hop on the subway and be at a Mets game in 10 minutes. There are always tickets. But this makes them close to unwatchable. Reyes was so fun to watch, especially live. I feel awful for my Mets fan buddies.
   33. bookbook Posted: December 05, 2011 at 04:13 AM (#4006969)
Reyes at 6/$111 will end up being a substantially better deal than Fielder at $150 or so. It may end up being a better deal than Pujols at 9/$220 as well.
   34. AJMcCringleberry Posted: December 05, 2011 at 04:18 AM (#4006973)
I still thought he'd re-sign, but I think that was just me not wanting to accept reality. Good luck to my 2nd favorite Met ever.
   35. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: December 05, 2011 at 04:38 AM (#4006981)
Nm
   36. Something Other Posted: December 05, 2011 at 05:36 AM (#4007018)
Ugh, I'm a Yanks fan who is about to move back to my apartment in Jackson Heights. One of the best things about living there is I can hop on the subway and be at a Mets game in 10 minutes. There are always tickets. But this makes them close to unwatchable. Reyes was so fun to watch, especially live. I feel awful for my Mets fan buddies.
Thanks. (No snark.) This is going to hurt. I mean, there's still some fun to be had, seeing if the second year guys can improve, watching Davis come back and mash 30 while winning the GG, seeing if Niewenhuis can cut it... but this isn't going to be a great, young team to watch and not having Reyes around definitely hurts.

Reyes at 6/$111 will end up being a substantially better deal than Fielder at $150 or so. It may end up being a better deal than Pujols at 9/$220 as well.
Well, obviously the downside is smaller with Reyes, but if wins are going for $5m apiece, Reyes is going to have a tough time putting up 22 wins over the life of the deal, particularly if UZR for the last three seasons is correct and he's now a slightly below average shortstop. Hate to sound like a broken record, but his 2011 was crazy lucky in the BABIP department, and there's a lot of reason to believe that he's now a 120-130 game a year player. Just the latter likelihood will make it very, very tough for him to be worth $111 to the Marlins. The big contracts almost always favor the player, in that if the team is fortunate, it gets what it paid for. The Beltran deal was like that. I don't think this will be, though. It's tough enough when the player has a track record of good health, and Reyes' track record has to be worrisome. All the best to him, though. Great player to watch when he's on.

edit: has any other player come close to a $20m AAV with a record of health similar to Reyes's?
   37. Benji Posted: December 05, 2011 at 12:40 PM (#4007096)
"Alderson said if it was 6/111 they were definitely out". If it was any money/any # of years they were out. From last Spring Training any Met fan of long standing knew he was gone. It's stunning to see fans believing they had any interest. It was a transparent lie all along. Their track record is lies and gulling fans. Enjoy Ruben Tejada and his balsa wood bat!

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