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Tuesday, September 18, 2012

ESPN: Trade Ike Davis? It’s on the table

The Mets will consider trading Ike Davis this offseason as a way to upgrade other areas of the team and open a spot for Lucas Duda at his natural position, a baseball source told ESPNNewYork.com.

While that does not guarantee Davis will be moved, it at least is a very plausible option. Davis should be marketable despite a slow start because he is a 30-homer threat with the potential for above-average fielding at first base.

The Mets are disappointed with Davis’ unwillingness to make changes based on coaching advice. Although he is personable and by no means a troublemaker, they also worry—fairly or unfairly—he is out too late after games, and that could influence other young players.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 18, 2012 at 01:21 PM | 55 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: September 18, 2012 at 02:29 PM (#4239229)
The Mets are disappointed with Davis’ unwillingness to make changes based on coaching advice.


Anybody know what changes they're trying to get him to make?
   2. John Northey Posted: September 18, 2012 at 02:35 PM (#4239239)
The Jays could use him as long as the Mets aren't asking too much. Maybe give them 'proven vet' Adam Lind :) Yes, that is a joke as I know no GM would take Lind on unless it was as a headache for headache trade.
   3. Bob Tufts Posted: September 18, 2012 at 02:40 PM (#4239245)
Anybody know what changes they're trying to get him to make?


Converting to Islam, I think.
   4. BourbonSamurai Is a Lazy Nogoodnik Posted: September 18, 2012 at 02:48 PM (#4239256)
I mean, he's not a terrible player, but there isn't really anything special about him. What are they going to get for him?

He is better than the previous Ike Davis, however.
   5. MM1f Posted: September 18, 2012 at 02:50 PM (#4239258)
I'd rather trade Lucas Dude than Ike Davis. Duda's a slow bat power hitter whose best days are already behind him. Sort of a Dan Johnson guy.
   6. SG Posted: September 18, 2012 at 02:58 PM (#4239267)
Why would any team give up anything good for Duda if that's the case?

I'm guessing the thought process is Duda - Davis + whatever you get for Davis that fills a hole somewhere else makes the team better.
   7. Paul D(uda) Posted: September 18, 2012 at 03:03 PM (#4239274)

Yunel Escobar for Davis.
   8. MM1f Posted: September 18, 2012 at 03:08 PM (#4239280)
Why would any team give up anything good for Duda if that's the case?


Well, Davis is the one hitting .223 right now. At least if you deal Duda you're kinda sorta selling high on him.

And, even if you can't get much for Duda, you don't dump the guy with an MLB future because you can't get anything for the AAAA type.
   9. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: September 18, 2012 at 03:08 PM (#4239281)
Is Ike Davis really that good that it's somehow shocking that the Mets would deal him? He looks from afar like a potentially good player who has not quite put it all together yet but not someone I would expect to be on any sort of untouchable list.
   10. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: September 18, 2012 at 03:15 PM (#4239291)
After a pretty horrible start to the season, Davis has put up a .260/.345/.544 batting line over his last 88 games played despite a .270 BABIP. I hate selective endpoints but he did have Valley Fever in spring training and I think that had something to do with his struggles to start the year.

Even if we completely discount the valley fever, he is a fine fielding first baseman, entering what should be his prime, with a 115 career OPS+ in 1300 plate appearances. I think he's a better bet than Duda, and I don't think you're going to get overwhelmed by anyone for him. He's a guy the Mets should keep around.
   11. Greg K Posted: September 18, 2012 at 03:20 PM (#4239299)
Yunel Escobar for Davis.

Escobar's pretty cheap until 2015, and I'd also think the Jays have faith in him considering they just put together that extension recently (last off-season I think?)

Davis for Travis Snider might have been an interesting move (Davis higher floor, Snider higher ceiling) if they hadn't already moved him for a reliever.

Whatever happened to that illness Davis had at the beginning of the year? Was that bothering him all season?

EDIT: I see Russlan covered it.
   12. jacjacatk Posted: September 18, 2012 at 03:21 PM (#4239301)
2012/Career

250/344/503 265/357/492
168/209/323 216/276/356

Those are Ike's 2012 and career splits vs RHB/LHB. I have a feeling Earl Weaver would know what to do with him.
   13. Mark S. is bored Posted: September 18, 2012 at 03:24 PM (#4239306)
Well, Davis is the one hitting .223 right now. At least if you deal Duda you're kinda sorta selling high on him.


Selling high on Duda? He's 26 years old and was sent down to the minors for part of the year because of how bad he was playing. If they traded him prior to this year, when he was coming off a 138 OPS+, then you would have been selling high.
   14. Greg K Posted: September 18, 2012 at 03:26 PM (#4239311)
Those are Ike's 2012 and career splits vs RHB/LHB. I have a feeling Earl Weaver would know what to do with him.

Some kind of 1B/DH platoon with Jonny Gomes!
   15. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 18, 2012 at 03:29 PM (#4239316)
Meet your 2013 Red Sox Opening Day first baseman.
   16. The District Attorney Posted: September 18, 2012 at 03:39 PM (#4239332)
Those are Ike's 2012 and career splits vs RHB/LHB. I have a feeling Earl Weaver would know what to do with him.
You mean platoon him? They're doing that. His platoon partner is Lucas Duda. Hey, wait a minute, I think I see a problem here...

Is Ike Davis really that good that it's somehow shocking that the Mets would deal him? He looks from afar like a potentially good player who has not quite put it all together yet but not someone I would expect to be on any sort of untouchable list.
It's surprising that they would want to deal him in favor of Duda, given that Ike is younger and better, and that they sent down Duda a couple of months ago for little apparent reason. I suppose it still could be logical to trade Ike if the difference between their trade values is more than the difference between their actual values. And maybe that's the case, if Duda is viewed by other teams as a DH but in fact can play an acceptable 1B.

Ike disputes the "stays out too late" criticism, which, not knowing any more about it than that, does seem like a lame thing to worry about.

The Mets have done an excellent job of avoiding soap opera episodes in the post-Minaya era. It'd be nice if we didn't have one now.
   17. billyshears Posted: September 18, 2012 at 03:40 PM (#4239334)
I'm with Russlan. I give Davis a bit of a pass because of the Valley Fever - I still think he can be a .900 OPS players for a few years. I was reasonably high on Duda coming into the season, but I've come to believe his bat is a significant downgrade from Davis. Unless the Mets can get a good, young OF for Davis (and I doubt they can), I would hang on to him.
   18. PreservedFish Posted: September 18, 2012 at 04:12 PM (#4239372)
No, Davis shouldn't be untouchable, but I think he's a good player, and he's a much much better bet than Lucas Duda. The comparison for Duda has always been Adam LaRoche, and I think he can definitely achieve that type of quality consistently, (25-30 HR, 80-100 RBI, 110-120 OPS+) or better. He hits the ball a mile.

Duda is probably a bench player - he reminds me of Mark Johnson, Bubba Trammell, Karim Garcia, Butch Huskey, Daryle Ward ... guys that hit the ball pretty far sometimes, might have some faux defensive versatility, and don't really help all that much in the long run.

There shouldn't be any question of who is the first baseman of the future, IMO.

Davis' hitting against lefties is a bit of a disaster, and in late innings, always facing a LOOGY, it's pretty much like having a pitcher in the heart of the lineup. But that isn't a new problem when your outfield is Jason Bay, Andres Torres and Scott Hairston. The one strength of the team is depth in pitching prospects, so I really don't see who you're going to trade Ike for unless you can steal a superior outfielder. But that's not saying anything.
   19. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: September 18, 2012 at 04:13 PM (#4239375)
Davis for Travis Snider might have been an interesting move (Davis higher floor, Snider higher ceiling) if they hadn't already moved him for a reliever.

Why exactly would Travis Snider have the higher ceiling? They are about the same age and Davis has been more successful at the major league level. I think Duda would be the guy to be traded for Snider.

It's going to be an interesting offseason. The Mets are at a crossroads. With some luck regarding their young pitching and a few good moves, they could compete soon. If those arms don't work out, this team is in trouble.
   20. Ray (RDP) Posted: September 18, 2012 at 04:31 PM (#4239392)
Is Ike Davis really that good that it's somehow shocking that the Mets would deal him?


There's a bizarre feeling in New York that he's a star. I guess that happens when your only real contributors on offense are Wright and Murphy. Davis has simply not helped as a 1B. He's been replacement level this year, and while I think he's better than that because he does have a 115 career OPS+, "mediocre" is the word I'd use.
   21. Lassus Posted: September 18, 2012 at 04:35 PM (#4239399)
He's been replacement level this year, and while I think he's better than that because he does have a 115 career OPS+, "mediocre" is the word I'd use.

His first half was crap, as referenced; but watching him all year, more in the second half, it's not entirely fanboyism to think that he's better than mediocre.
   22. PreservedFish Posted: September 18, 2012 at 04:36 PM (#4239403)
He's certainly been mediocre or worse this year, but a career 115 OPS+ and "mediocre" do not jibe, especially for a 25 year old.
   23. Swoboda is freedom Posted: September 18, 2012 at 04:42 PM (#4239409)
He's been replacement level this year, and while I think he's better than that because he does have a 115 career OPS+, "mediocre" is the word I'd use.

The Mets have too many guys like that. Murphy, Thole, Tejada, Duda. Sure you need to have some of them on your team (if they are cheap)and they won't lose you the game but they don't have the players to win the games.

You mean platoon him? They're doing that.

Shouldn't that be Hairston?
   24. PreservedFish Posted: September 18, 2012 at 04:58 PM (#4239426)
Shouldn't that be Hairston?


Hairston's already needed in the outfield. It pains me to say it, but on the roster it should probably be Justin Turner. But with the lost season I am happy to see Davis get meaningless ABs against lefties.
   25. Conor Posted: September 18, 2012 at 05:03 PM (#4239432)
There's a bizarre feeling in New York that he's a star. I guess that happens when your only real contributors on offense are Wright and Murphy. Davis has simply not helped as a 1B. He's been replacement level this year, and while I think he's better than that because he does have a 115 career OPS+, "mediocre" is the word I'd use.


Something else I noticed; when he first came up in 2010 the Braves had Heyward, the Nats had Strasburg on the way, the Marlins had Stanton, the Phillies had Dominic Brown who at the time was a good prospect; so it kinda became like well Ike Davis is the Mets best young player, so he's their next star. He was solid in year 1, and then at the beginning of last year, before he got hurt, he was actually playing like a star player. This year he had the awful start, which as a Met fan I'll chalk up to the valley fever (though I'm being biased, of course) but he's been really good for a few months. His BABIP for the season is 245, which seems too low. His career total is 293. I think next year he'll end up being a good player, but it's likely he's not going to be a true star at first base. If Duda had hit this year like he did last year, then it wouldn't be a terrible idea, but Duda's bat hasn't been good enough to justify trading Davis. (Doesn't mean they shouldn;'t trade Davis if there is a good deal out there, but not because they have Duda t replace him).


The Mets have too many guys like that. Murphy, Thole, Tejada, Duda. Sure you need to have some of them on your team (if they are cheap)and they won't lose you the game but they don't have the players to win the games.


Yeah, and also part of the problem is 3 of those 4 guys hit better in 2011 than 2012. When the Mets offense was doing well earlier in the year it was basically built around having David Wright plus a bunch of guys who weren't gonna kill you at the plate (plus Davis, who was killing them).

I'm with Russlan. I give Davis a bit of a pass because of the Valley Fever - I still think he can be a .900 OPS players for a few years.


Just as a point about how the game has changed, there are currently 5 players in the NL with a 900 OPS. (Wow, Yadi Molina is having an awesome year). One of them is Melky, who was at 905, so if he didn't get suspended, I bet he'd end up below. There are guys who could end up moving from below to above, but a 900 OPS is awesome now. (In 2000, there were 26 guys in the NL with a 900 OPS). Not sure Ike will ever get there.

It's going to be an interesting offseason. The Mets are at a crossroads. With some luck regarding their young pitching and a few good moves, they could compete soon. If those arms don't work out, this team is in trouble.


I wonder if they look at moving Niese. He's had a really strong year, and I like his future, but maybe he's the only way to bring an impact bat in. They have Gee who looks like a solid back end type guy, plus Harvey, who looks great, and Wheeler. Maybe they think there is enough young pitching and they dangle Niese. Just a thought.
   26. Ray (RDP) Posted: September 18, 2012 at 05:05 PM (#4239435)

His first half was crap, as referenced; but watching him all year, more in the second half, it's not entirely fanboyism to think that he's better than mediocre.


I ignore in-season splits except to wonder whether he was injured in some way. But this "Oh, he had a bad first half, so let's ignore it because he then figured it out in the second half" is flawed. If he were a young player just called up, fine, but he's been in the league for a few years now.
   27. Ray (RDP) Posted: September 18, 2012 at 05:08 PM (#4239439)
I really think we need to completely re-visit how we look at in-season splits, for both players and teams. Players can really have great and horrific stretches, and that likely doesn't mean that the player suddenly figured it out if the great stretch came after the horrific stretch; it means he's not as good overall as you think he is.
   28. Conor Posted: September 18, 2012 at 05:08 PM (#4239442)
I ignore in-season splits except to wonder whether he was injured in some way. But this "Oh, he had a bad first half, so let's ignore it because he then figured it out in the second half" is flawed. If he were a young player just called up, fine, but he's been in the league for a few years now.


The valley fever though. That's not an injury necessarily, but I could see how that contributes to a slow start. I don't think he had many AB in spring training. And for whatever its worth, he didn't play after the first two weeks of May last year either. He had basically played a little more than a full major league season by the time 2012 rolled around. You don't throw out the numbers, and i don't think he;s a 920 OPS or whatever his line is from June 1.

I agree with your point in general though.
   29. Walt Davis Posted: September 18, 2012 at 05:27 PM (#4239459)
There doesn't seem any point in trading Davis now (no point selling low) and he's better than Duda.

Davis is "mediocre" in that (a) don't under-rate mediocre, mediocre is just fine and (b) the average 1B in the NL has an OPS+ somewhere around 110-115 which means the "average" starting 1B is somewhere above that. So Davis is around a league-average 1B -- mediocre. He's still young enough to improve but generally a 25-year-old "true 115" OPS+ hitter can only be expected to peak at maybe 125 before coming back down. Obviously some will break out in a major way ... and obviously some don't improve at all or decline.

   30. PreservedFish Posted: September 18, 2012 at 05:58 PM (#4239486)
IIRC Davis does not believe that Valley Fever affected his play in any way. For what that's worth.

I agree with Ray, no reason to give Davis a pass on his performance in the first few months. I hope it wasn't representative of his abilities, but I don't see a good reason to ignore it.
   31. Downtown Bookie Posted: September 18, 2012 at 06:42 PM (#4239541)
If the plan is to shop Ike Davis around to see what's being offered, then I have no problems with that. However, if the plan is to trade Ike Davis just so the Mets can plug Lucas Duda in at firstbase, then I think we need to hear some alternative plans.

DB
   32. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: September 18, 2012 at 07:36 PM (#4239585)

I don't see a reason to trade either of them at this point - you're selling low on both and you're not going to get much in return - but if you are going to, Duda is the guy you trade.

The Mets have too many guys like that. Murphy, Thole, Tejada, Duda. Sure you need to have some of them on your team (if they are cheap)and they won't lose you the game but they don't have the players to win the games.

These are the kind of guys it's good to have on your bench and in utility roles (although I think Murph is better than that). You don't want Duda as your starter but if you trade away everyone you don't want as a starter you end up with guys like Lenny Harris on your bench.
   33. depletion Posted: September 18, 2012 at 08:22 PM (#4239633)
The Mets are at a crossroads. With some luck regarding their young pitching and a few good moves, they could compete soon.

Hmmm. I was thinking that earlier in the year, but then most of the hitters got "figured out" by the rest of the league. I suppose all of the them should be on the trade block, of course, depending on what you can get. Davis is obviously the more complete player, but Duda at first would be a downgrade on defense only (see the table in the article). Duda, to my eyes (ymmv), has pretty serious power. He hits homers to the opposite field. Not left center, but pure left field. I haven't seen Lucas play first, so I don't know how much better Ike is.
How many games are the Mets going to win with Hairston, ? and Duda as the outfield? Man, they really need a CF. Does anyone else think Shane Victorino is worth signing, with Cap'n Kirk getting some games against righties?
   34. Conor Posted: September 18, 2012 at 08:25 PM (#4239637)
How many games are the Mets going to win with Hairston, ? and Duda as the outfield? Man, they really need a CF. Does anyone else think Shane Victorino is worth signing, with Cap'n Kirk getting some games against righties?


You can replace CF with OF. They have no one I'd be happy with as an every day OF next year.


   35. The District Attorney Posted: September 18, 2012 at 08:54 PM (#4239659)
But to answer your question, no.

BTW, Lenny Harris is the all-time leader in pinch-hits¹. Now, the Met version of Lenny Harris was another story.

¹ Arguably not as cool as being the single-season leader in pinch-walks, like Matt Franco.
   36. Walt Davis Posted: September 18, 2012 at 09:21 PM (#4239672)
Does Duda have serious power? His 2011 ISO was "just" 190, this year it's 156. His career AAA ISO is an impressive 260 but that's AAA. Even in this "crappy" year, Davis has a 221 ISO, his career ML ISO is 200 and, make of it what you want, his 2nd half ISO this year is 300. Duda's HR/FB in the majors is under 9% and even 2010 was under 12%; Davis's career HR/FB is 12.5% and 14-15% over the last season plus.

Maybe when Duda hits them, he does hit bombs. But he doesn't hit that many of them. His overall ML profile to date is not as a stud power hitter, especially not in comparison to Davis. We're talking Mitch Moreland, Adam Lind and Jonny Gomes (all guys who have their uses except maybe Lind and Gomes :-) not Mike Morse (or Vernon Wells!).

As we all know, nobody has given Ike Davis fanboys a harder time than me but he's better than Duda right now and has a substantially bigger upside than Duda. Granted, that doesn't mean that Duda plus what you can get for Davis isn't better than Davis and what you can get for Duda so no harm in shopping Davis around.
   37. Lassus Posted: September 18, 2012 at 09:22 PM (#4239674)
I haven't seen Lucas play first, so I don't know how much better Ike is.

A lot.
   38. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: September 18, 2012 at 10:24 PM (#4239711)

BTW, Lenny Harris is the all-time leader in pinch-hits¹. Now, the Met version of Lenny Harris was another story.

That is kind of like being the all-time leader in first dates...yes it's a record, but I'm pretty sure it's not a good thing.

Anyway, Lenny Harris had one good season at age 25 and was below replacement level for the rest of his career. That didn't stop the Mets from giving him starts at 1B and World Series at-bats a decade later...sigh.
   39. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: September 18, 2012 at 10:36 PM (#4239721)
Duda, to my eyes (ymmv), has pretty serious power. He hits homers to the opposite field. Not left center, but pure left field. I haven't seen Lucas play first, so I don't know how much better Ike is.

Davis hits some Delgado-like bombs. There may be reasons to prefer Duda to Davis but I don't think power is one of them. I think Ike's biggest problem will be hitting for a decent average.
   40. PreservedFish Posted: September 18, 2012 at 11:06 PM (#4239746)
Davis hits some Delgado-like bombs. There may be reasons to prefer Duda to Davis but I don't think power is one of them.

Agreed. Duda's power has been a source of disappointment, IMO. He hits them far from time to time, because he's a heavy guy that swings hard, but it happens rarely. Even last year, when he was hitting the ball squarely, he didn't get it over the fence very often. 25 homeruns shouldn't be a struggle for him, but it is.

By the way, according to the ESPN Home Run Tracker, Lucas Duda has never hit a homerun to leftfield.

On the other hand, Ike Davis murders the ball. Lots of his homeruns are long gone, the type where the right fielder doesn't move a step.
   41. AJMcCringleberry Posted: September 18, 2012 at 11:40 PM (#4239762)
I like Davis and hope they keep him around unless they get blown away by an offer. What they need is some good, young position players and that's what Davis is.

Anybody know what changes they're trying to get him to make?

They want him to cut down on the home runs, he's making the rest of the team look bad.

   42. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: September 18, 2012 at 11:46 PM (#4239768)
By the way, in a situation like this with two young guys I'm usually predisposed towards the guy who was a first round draft pick over the 7th rounder. Not always, but when the statistical track record looks similar I like the guy who was viewed as a first-round talent not that long ago.
   43. PreservedFish Posted: September 19, 2012 at 12:00 AM (#4239773)
#42 - Me too. Not sure how valid that is, but it's true.

I was backing Davis over Duda back when he was hitting .180, so, his success in the last couple months has only reinforced my opinion.
   44. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: September 19, 2012 at 12:12 AM (#4239776)

Adrian Gonzalez was a great example for me. I guess he had disappointed in the minors, but I still can't believe the Rangers traded him for Adam Eaton.
   45. MM1f Posted: September 19, 2012 at 12:43 AM (#4239794)
Selling high on Duda? He's 26 years old and was sent down to the minors for part of the year because of how bad he was playing. If they traded him prior to this year, when he was coming off a 138 OPS+, then you would have been selling high.


Well, yeah, that's what I was kind of getting at. Also, by "selling high," I meant to compare Duda's stock to Davis' 2012. Duda's stock recent performance in pretty muhc in line with his ability, where as Davis recent performance is under his ability. So maybe instead of "selling high" I should have said "selling low" on Duda vs. "selling lowest" on Davis.

I should remember, when talking about the Mets, that there are no high points.

Except for Tony Tarasco and Mark Corey.
   46. zack Posted: September 19, 2012 at 10:45 AM (#4239984)
Well the Mets do have too many 1B and not enough every other position on the field, but Davis is one of the few solution pieces they have, trading him to slot in Duda would be dumb unless you hit the jackpot.

Except for Tony Tarasco and Mark Corey.


And Grant Roberts. And Mike Crudale.
   47. Conor Posted: September 19, 2012 at 11:01 AM (#4239992)
By the way, according to the ESPN Home Run Tracker, Lucas Duda has never hit a homerun to leftfield.


This is only somewhat related, but I saw a stat that said from 2009-2011 (before they moved the fences in) no Met left handed hitter hit any homers to LF. That's pretty incredible. (Not that the Mets had a ton of left handed pop over that time).

Duda looks like a guy who should have a lot of power, and he has hit some long ones, but he hasn't really hit for a ton of power yet. I would guess Ike has hit more long (defining them however you want) HR than Duda. Duda's K rate has really sky rocketed this year; last year he struck out 16.4% of the time, this year it's 25.9%. That's probably the difference between hitting the 245 he is right now, and I don't know, maybe like 270 or so, which makes his numbers a lot more palatable. (But still not great or anything).
   48. billyshears Posted: September 19, 2012 at 11:04 AM (#4239996)
Adrian Gonzalez was a great example for me. I guess he had disappointed in the minors, but I still can't believe the Rangers traded him for Adam Eaton.


Adrian Gonzalez was actually offered to the Mets for Armando Benitez, but the Marlins wanted the Mets to pay Benitez's salary. So the Mets passed and traded Benitez to the Yankees (who agreed to take on Benitez's salary) for Jason Anderson. Saved the Mets around $3 mil or so, as I recall. Another brilliant decision brought to you by the Fred Wilpon era.
   49. formerly dp Posted: September 19, 2012 at 11:10 AM (#4240004)
With the qualifier that no one on the Mets should be off limits:
I don't get the reason for even attempting to deal Davis right now-- MM1f is dead on that Davis's stock is low, due in large part to his terrible first couple of months. Davis might have said that the VF wasn't affecting him, but he was also trying to not make excuses for his abysmal performance. From what I remember reading at the time, Davis's problems seemed in line with the lingering effects of VF-- his reflexes just weren't cooperating with him. Maybe the slump was for more conventional reasons, maybe not, but given the fact that he's dirt cheap and talented, it seems like holding onto him and letting him have a season at full health would be prudent.

I don't get the rush to deal Duda either. He's not very good, but he's essentially a free OF, and the Mets need those right now.

The Mets really do make Septembers tough to bear...
   50. base ball chick Posted: September 19, 2012 at 12:12 PM (#4240066)
maybe it's personal
sometimes a team gets rid of a player who is good enough, even when they don't have someone better because for whatever reason they don't like the guy - see astros and luke scott

#42 - you're in the majority which is why we see so many suckage former first rounders who stick around much longer than lower rounders with the same stats. or given more chances when there are lower rounders who are obviously better

a whole lot of folks don't like to admit that they made a mistake or that an "inferior" player is/could be better
   51. JJ1986 Posted: September 19, 2012 at 12:15 PM (#4240072)
I don't get the rush to deal Duda either. He's not very good, but he's essentially a free OF, and the Mets need those right now.


I haven't seen him much in LF, but is Duda decent there? He was a trainwreck in RF.
   52. PreservedFish Posted: September 19, 2012 at 12:15 PM (#4240075)
Why would he be anything less than a trainwreck in LF?
   53. JJ1986 Posted: September 19, 2012 at 12:18 PM (#4240078)
Why would he be anything less than a trainwreck in LF?


I assume he is, but then he's not a free OF.
   54. Conor Posted: September 19, 2012 at 12:21 PM (#4240081)
Yeah Duda might be a little better in LF only because a misplay in LF is less likely to be a triple than a misplay in RF, but he's going to be awful in any OF position.
   55. The District Attorney Posted: September 19, 2012 at 01:45 PM (#4240177)
maybe it's personal
sometimes a team gets rid of a player who is good enough, even when they don't have someone better because for whatever reason they don't like the guy - see astros and luke scott
Yeah, this is what concerns me about this. They're not questioning Ike's playing ability; they're saying they don't approve of his personal life. That worries me. (Unless they're right, of course! I seem to recall drinking and carousing was responsible -- or blamed, anyway -- for Todd Hundley's sudden disappearance.)

I suppose it'd be a little weird for a front office to leak "we know Player A is better than B, but we think we're better off overall by trading A and living with B." But hey, why not... these guys seem to pride themselves on being straight shooters. I hope that is the logic here.

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