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Tuesday, July 29, 2014

ESPN: Twins Sign “Out Of Nowhere” Prospect

In one of their craziest scouting experiences, the Minnesota Twins have reached a deal with a 24-year-old pitcher who has thrown 100 mile per hour fastballs in a California summer league but has never been drafted. The Twins plan to send Brandon Poulson to their rookie league club in Elizabethton, Tennessee. He was cleared to play Tuesday.

Poulson pitched this summer for the Healdsburg Prune Packers in the collegiate Sacramento Rural League. He played last season for the Academy of Art University in San Francisco after taking off a couple of years to work in his father’s excavating business.

The 6-foot-6 Poulson previously played baseball and football at Santa Rosa Junior College but was never drafted. His manager this summer was the brother of major leaguer Jonny Gomes.

It’s one thing to prevent runs with the Prune Packers, quite another to be the next Sidd Finch

The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 29, 2014 at 10:48 PM | 86 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: July 29, 2014 at 11:16 PM (#4760123)
Is this for real?
   2. McCoy Posted: July 29, 2014 at 11:18 PM (#4760127)
Yes and it is fantastic!
   3. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 29, 2014 at 11:23 PM (#4760130)
It’s one thing to prevent runs with the Prune Packers, quite another to be the next Sidd Finch.

Looks like the submission was botched, probably by me. The sentence above was my commentary, the rest was "excerpted" from the rather brief article.
   4. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: July 29, 2014 at 11:23 PM (#4760131)
I'm reminded of Kevin Baker's Sometimes You See It Coming; this kind of thing just doesn't happen in real life! We've catalogued every kid who looks like he could ever be good at baseball!
   5. PreservedFish Posted: July 29, 2014 at 11:26 PM (#4760133)
He played last season for the Academy of Art University in San Francisco

What.
   6. McCoy Posted: July 29, 2014 at 11:27 PM (#4760134)
They probably did catalog the kid he just decided to walk away from the game for awhile.
   7. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 29, 2014 at 11:34 PM (#4760137)
He could be the best pitcher to come out of art school since Charlie Zink!
   8. cardsfanboy Posted: July 29, 2014 at 11:38 PM (#4760139)
For some reason, the first thing I thought of this must be a Ricky Vaughn signing.
   9. tshipman Posted: July 29, 2014 at 11:49 PM (#4760142)
I'm with PreservedFish. I didn't even know Academy of Art University had a baseball team, even an intramural. I would have bet money they didn't.
   10. Rafael Bellylard: Built like a Panda. Posted: July 29, 2014 at 11:50 PM (#4760143)
   11. PreservedFish Posted: July 30, 2014 at 12:09 AM (#4760151)
For those that don't know, the Academy of Art's campus is right downtown in SF. The whole area is full of stoned emo kids lugging around their portfolios. Not a school that you would expect to have an athletics department.
   12. GuyMcGuffin Posted: July 30, 2014 at 12:16 AM (#4760156)
Is it fair to say that this is the biggest baseball college art school news since Luis Tiant was named head coach at Savannah College of Art and Design in the late 90s?
   13. vortex of dissipation Posted: July 30, 2014 at 12:21 AM (#4760159)
His stats for the Academy of Art are somewhat less than impressive. 8.38 ERA, and in 19.1 innings, he walked 24, hit 6 batters, and had 11 wild pitches. Also gave up 9 steals in 11 attempts...
   14. valuearbitrageur Posted: July 30, 2014 at 12:24 AM (#4760161)
His stats for the Academy of Art are somewhat less than impressive. 8.38 ERA, and in 19.1 innings, he walked 24, hit 6 batters, and had 11 wild pitches. Also gave up 9 steals in 11 attempts...


Looks like he had trouble painting the corners with that fastball.
   15. valuearbitrageur Posted: July 30, 2014 at 12:35 AM (#4760167)
Let's say you are Nate Gercken. You are a 6'6 Junior pitcher who was easily the teams best pitcher, leading the Academy of Art in IP, starts, and ERA (2.95). You don't get drafted anywhere in 30 rounds, but Mr. No Idea Where It's Going from your team gets signed.

I'm betting the art project Nate's currently working on has a much darker than normal theme.
   16. boteman Posted: July 30, 2014 at 12:38 AM (#4760169)
If the Prune Packers ever move to Mackinac Island they'd have to change their name to Fudge Packers. Yeesh!
   17. PreservedFish Posted: July 30, 2014 at 12:57 AM (#4760177)
I used to teach baseball at an all-boys summer camp in Maine. One year, for some reason, we had a kickball game against Encore Coda, which was a co-ed music camp. I umpired the game and did everything I could to cheat for the music nerds, but my own team won something like 30-0 after three mercy rule innings. The music camp kids were visibly disgusted by our uncouth campers.
   18. steagles Posted: July 30, 2014 at 01:08 AM (#4760182)
I used to teach baseball at an all-boys summer camp in Maine. One year, for some reason, we had a kickball game against Encore Coda, which was a co-ed music camp. I umpired the game and did everything I could to cheat for the music nerds, but my own team won something like 30-0 after three mercy rule innings. The music camp kids were visibly disgusted by our uncouth campers.
did cricket pop into anyone else's head while reading this?
   19. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: July 30, 2014 at 01:52 AM (#4760191)
Ceci n'est pas une pitching prospect.
   20. shoelesjoe Posted: July 30, 2014 at 01:52 AM (#4760192)
His stats for the Academy of Art are somewhat less than impressive. 8.38 ERA, and in 19.1 innings, he walked 24, hit 6 batters, and had 11 wild pitches. Also gave up 9 steals in 11 attempts...


..Also a NEW LEAGUE RECORD!
   21. Walt Davis Posted: July 30, 2014 at 02:16 AM (#4760197)
It’s one thing to prevent runs with the Prune Packers

I see what you did there

Ceci n'est pas une pitching prospect.

Prospect is a feminine noun?

It is if it's from the Academy of Art!

I will be appearing at the Don Rickles Comedy Sewer all week!
   22. RollingWave Posted: July 30, 2014 at 04:53 AM (#4760211)
His stats for the Academy of Art are somewhat less than impressive. 8.38 ERA, and in 19.1 innings, he walked 24, hit 6 batters, and had 11 wild pitches. Also gave up 9 steals in 11 attempts...


Now this is REALLY just a California penal league away from Rick Vaugh.
   23. Lassus Posted: July 30, 2014 at 07:32 AM (#4760217)
For those that don't know, the Academy of Art's campus is right downtown in SF. The whole area is full of stoned emo kids lugging around their portfolios. Not a school that you would expect to have an athletics department.

I would like to see the dadaist exercise that is the San Francisco Art Iinstitute baseball team.
   24. Jeltzandini Posted: July 30, 2014 at 07:35 AM (#4760219)
His highly skilled opponents in the Art League must just love facing randomly directed 100mph missiles. Coach, you didn't mention mortal danger when you recruited me out of the print lab.
   25. Jose Molina wants a nickname like "A-Rod" Posted: July 30, 2014 at 07:43 AM (#4760222)
Odd that in their super cheezy video on the art of pitching, Paulson isn't featured, but some other sclub.

artsy art of pitching
   26. Steve Sparks Flying Everywhere Posted: July 30, 2014 at 09:19 AM (#4760237)
A neat story. I'm wondering why the Twins offered him $250,000 though. Seems like you should be able to sign an undrafted 24 year old for a lot less, 100 mph fastball or not.
   27. Gamingboy Posted: July 30, 2014 at 09:25 AM (#4760243)
Hey, even if he doesn't do anything in the rookie league, this will make a fine movie.
   28. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 30, 2014 at 09:30 AM (#4760246)

Hey, even if he doesn't do anything in the rookie league, this will make a fine movie.


As opposed to Toe Nash, which was a complete nightmare.
   29. DL from MN Posted: July 30, 2014 at 09:33 AM (#4760249)
I'm wondering why the Twins offered him $250,000


Because several other teams were offering the $99,000 that doesn't count against the draft pool. The Twins didn't use their whole draft pool.
   30. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: July 30, 2014 at 09:38 AM (#4760254)
I vaguely remember another team (either the Angels or White Sox by my recollection) similarly signing some unknown unscouted pitcher with 100+ MPH gas in the late-90s, does anyone else recollect this? I think I might have read about it in Sports Illustrated at the time.
   31. SoCalDemon Posted: July 30, 2014 at 09:43 AM (#4760258)
Odd that in their super cheezy video on the art of pitching, Paulson isn't featured, but some other sclub.


With his 24 walks, 6 HBP and 11 wild pitches in 19 innings, I think they were worried about their camera equipment getting destroyed.

   32. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: July 30, 2014 at 09:53 AM (#4760265)
If anyone doubts the popularity of baseball in America, consider that somebody is actually tracking stats for the Academy of Art University baseball team.
   33. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: July 30, 2014 at 09:53 AM (#4760267)
   34. Yoenis Cespedes, Baseball Savant Posted: July 30, 2014 at 10:01 AM (#4760273)
What really surprised me about this is that Academy of Art is a Division II program!
   35. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 30, 2014 at 10:17 AM (#4760283)
His pitching coach at Art School

It's clear from those stats that Jacob Shumate has a great personality and probably a lot of leadership qualities.

9.00 ERA in 45 innings in the Appy League
promoted
7.47 ERA in 59 innings in the Sally League
10.89 ERA in 20 innings in the Northwest League
promoted
6.75 ERA in 50 innings in the Sally League
promoted
15.43 ERA in 2 innings in the Southern League
7.15 ERA in 22 innings in the Carolina League
promoted
4.47 ERA in 102 innings in the Southern League
released by the Braves after 7 years

picked up by Brewers
15.43 ERA in 19 innings in the Southern League
   36. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: July 30, 2014 at 10:44 AM (#4760305)
I would like to see the dadaist exercise that is the San Francisco Art Iinstitute baseball team.


It's not a "team" so much as an "installation."
   37. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: July 30, 2014 at 10:44 AM (#4760306)
“I’ve always been the most dedicated person off the field,” Poulson said. “I do yoga. I never cheat my diet. I read books on sleep and nutrition and workout plans. I’m always in the gym. Then it comes time to go to the field and I struggle. That part hurt me the most. I’m working harder than everyone. They’re all out partying. I’m here doing everything I should be doing, and come time to pitch I can’t even throw a strike.”
   38. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: July 30, 2014 at 10:45 AM (#4760307)
For some reason, the first thing I thought of this must be a Ricky Vaughn signing.
When I read the headline, I just assumed it was a Sidd Finch thing.
   39. Steve Sparks Flying Everywhere Posted: July 30, 2014 at 11:24 AM (#4760347)
Because several other teams were offering the $99,000 that doesn't count against the draft pool. The Twins didn't use their whole draft pool.


We're talking about a 24 year old with 1 year of college experience at Academy of Art University. If the Twins offered $125,000(assuming it was more than any other team) instead of $250,000, what leverage does he have to refuse that offer?

   40. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 30, 2014 at 11:25 AM (#4760348)
I vaguely remember another team (either the Angels or White Sox by my recollection) similarly signing some unknown unscouted pitcher with 100+ MPH gas in the late-90s, does anyone else recollect this? I think I might have read about it in Sports Illustrated at the time.


The White Sox signed Kevin Hickey when he hadn't done much more than play cabbage ball in parking lots. But that was in 1978, and I don't think he threw anywhere near 100.
   41. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: July 30, 2014 at 11:29 AM (#4760354)
We're talking about a 24 year old with 1 year of college experience at Academy of Art University. If the Twins offered $125,000(assuming it was more than any other team) instead of $250,000, what leverage does he have to refuse that offer?


I'd probably leave $25,000 on the table to sign with a better organization and/or in a better climate. I would not leave $150,000 on the table for it, however.

Besides that, the Twins are not spending much money right now, and as noted above they didn't spend their draft pool, which makes them look bad. Throwing a quarter-million dollars at a good story is good for PR under those circumstances.
   42. The kids disappeared, now Der-K has too much candy Posted: July 30, 2014 at 11:37 AM (#4760358)
39 - Minimal. Maybe someone else offered 200k?

Charlie Zink (the knuckleballer) came from the Savannah College of Art and Design, coached by Luis Tiant. He didn't throw 100, of course.
   43. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: July 30, 2014 at 11:40 AM (#4760364)
We're talking about a 24 year old with 1 year of college experience at Academy of Art University. If the Twins offered $125,000(assuming it was more than any other team) instead of $250,000, what leverage does he have to refuse that offer?

Maybe he really likes working construction.
   44. PreservedFish Posted: July 30, 2014 at 11:44 AM (#4760371)
If the Twins offered $125,000(assuming it was more than any other team) instead of $250,000, what leverage does he have to refuse that offer?


A burgeoning art career?
   45. esseff Posted: July 30, 2014 at 11:55 AM (#4760382)
For those that don't know, the Academy of Art's campus is right downtown in SF.


The Academy of Art has dozens of properties all over town and is buying more all the time. In fact, some would say it's more real estate venture than school. Apparently, it does with these properties whatever the hell it wants and is constantly at war with the city over alleged zoning and planning violations.

Similarly, when it was accepted for NCAA membership with former NFL tight end Jamie Williams as the then-AD, it immediately got itself into trouble by disregarding rules on things like limits on out-of-season practices.
   46. Bitter Mouse Posted: July 30, 2014 at 11:57 AM (#4760384)
I'd probably leave $25,000 on the table to sign with a better organization and/or in a better climate.


Huh? The Twins are pitching poor, which is exactly where you want to sign as a pitching prospect. You also want to sign with the team that values you the most. As to climate I am not sure if you are talking culture (It has good and bad - the good is crazy loyalty to "their" guys, which is bad for the team, but good for their guys) or weather (The weather is fine during baseball season in MN, and really who cares regarding prospects). Plus 25 large is nice money.
   47. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: July 30, 2014 at 12:02 PM (#4760391)
I gotta get a job
I got to get some pay
My son's gotta go to art school
He's leavin' in three days
And the TV is in Esperanto
You know that that's a b*tch
But alienation's for the rich
And I'm feelin' a-poorer every day
   48. PreservedFish Posted: July 30, 2014 at 12:09 PM (#4760399)
I'd probably leave $25,000 on the table to sign with a better organization and/or in a better climate.


Are you really talking about the climate here? You do realize that:

1. Dude has a tiny chance of actually making it to the majors
2. Dude might get traded
3. The Twins have affiliates scattered all around the country, just like every other team
4. The MLB season is only 6 months long
5. 3 of those months are spent on the road
6. Also, all of those months are in the spring and summer

If I were this fellow I would be looking to maximize signing bonus. There would be no other considerations.
   49. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: July 30, 2014 at 12:10 PM (#4760401)
I'm getting paid to play baseball, guys, of course I'm going to be making the majors. And soon!

Edit: It occurs to me now that I'm being disingenuous in trying to think like a prospect ("which city the major league team is in is important because I'm definitely going to the majors") yet trying to care about how good an organization is. #46 is right, if I'm a cocksure young pitcher I'd be attracted to teams without a lot of pitching depth standing in my way. That or I just wouldn't give a #### at all because I'm better than all those guys anyway, as #48 suggests.
   50. PreservedFish Posted: July 30, 2014 at 12:13 PM (#4760409)
This kid was just like the 13th best pitcher on his art school team. I realize that young players are dumb and proud and optimistic, but ... come on.
   51. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: July 30, 2014 at 12:16 PM (#4760411)
1. Dude has a tiny chance of actually making it to the majors
2. Dude might get traded
3. The Twins have affiliates scattered all around the country, just like every other team
4. The MLB season is only 6 months long
5. 3 of those months are spent on the road
6. Also, all of those months are in the spring and summer

7. The Walker Art Center in Minneapolis is really nice!
   52. Jeltzandini Posted: July 30, 2014 at 12:19 PM (#4760416)
There's very little chance that professional instruction will get him to throw enough strikes. But there doesn't have to be much chance to make it a decent gamble. (Assuming 100mph is real.)
   53. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: July 30, 2014 at 12:22 PM (#4760421)
There's also very little chance that professional instruction is going to get him to throw frozen-rope fastballs that major league hitters will effortlessly crush no matter how hard they come in.

To reach the majors, he needs to
(1) Learn to throw strikes
(2) Learn a functional offspeed pitch (probably changeup)
(3) Gain at least a little bit of movement on his fastball while still throwing strikes

It's a longshot. Actually it probably is too long of a shot to be worth investing $250,000 and a lot of coaching time in, for the hope that he stays healthy, accomplishes all of the above and becomes a viable major league relief pitcher.

But presumably the best pitcher on his art school team has a certifiable curveball he can throw for strikes and his fastball tops out at 85, and thus he has no chance of being a major league pitcher.
   54. DL from MN Posted: July 30, 2014 at 12:29 PM (#4760427)
Does it say somewhere that the fastball doesn't have movement? Maybe that's why he can't throw it for strikes.
   55. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: July 30, 2014 at 12:30 PM (#4760428)
Heh, if it had THAT much movement I think he'd have been drafted in the first round. So yes, I'm assuming, but I think it's a safe assumption.
   56. Jeltzandini Posted: July 30, 2014 at 12:45 PM (#4760442)
Sort of disagree--I think a 100mph fastball with decent control is enough to get you a bullpen spot in the majors. Movement would help, and a second pitch would help even more, but a one inning guy can survive with only heat.

Are there many 100mph throwers with acceptable walk rates who haven't made it because they got hit too hard?
   57. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: July 30, 2014 at 12:59 PM (#4760455)
Heh, if it had THAT much movement I think he'd have been drafted in the first round. So yes, I'm assuming, but I think it's a safe assumption.

He's thrown all of 19 competitive innings since he graduated from high school, 6 or so years ago. Are there scouts at games between the Academy of Art and Hawaii-Hilo or Azusa Pacific? There's a chance that he's the rare bird who's been minimally scouted.

He has very little pitching experience since high school. He's 6-7, and there's a school of thought that very tall pitchers face much greater mechanical challenges than shorter pitchers. He played football and basketball in JuCo. Taking these bits of information I'd imagine that the Twins think that he's a big, strong, athletic guy with minimal mileage on his arm, who has never been taught a proper repeatable delivery. One he's got that the control will come, and suddenly you have a legitimate (if still long-shot) prospect.
   58. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 30, 2014 at 01:03 PM (#4760466)
Huh? The Twins are pitching poor, which is exactly where you want to sign as a pitching prospect. You also want to sign with the team that values you the most.


Few organizations have less recent history of succesfully developing this kind of pitcher than the Twins, who tend to gravitate toward command-oriented mushballers.
   59. winnipegwhip Posted: July 30, 2014 at 01:07 PM (#4760470)
Preserved #48

1. Dude has a tiny chance of actually making it to the majors
2. Dude might get traded
3. The Twins have affiliates scattered all around the country, just like every other team
4. The MLB season is only 6 months long
5. 3 of those months are spent on the road
6. Also, all of those months are in the spring and summer


I would add the factor the more the team has invested in a player the more leeway they are going to have in his development. The lesser the bonus the more expendable that player.
   60. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 30, 2014 at 01:14 PM (#4760485)
“I’ve always been the most dedicated person off the field,” Poulson said. “I do yoga. I never cheat my diet. I read books on sleep and nutrition and workout plans. I’m always in the gym. Then it comes time to go to the field and I struggle. That part hurt me the most. I’m working harder than everyone. They’re all out partying. I’m here doing everything I should be doing, and come time to pitch I can’t even throw a strike.”

Might as well start drinking beer and eating fried chicken. Seems like it couldn't hurt.
   61. deputydrew Posted: July 30, 2014 at 01:14 PM (#4760486)
..Also a NEW LEAGUE RECORD!


No one else commented, but I liked it. :-)

"New league record" is one of those movie quotes I break out on a regular basis, not caring if anyone else knows where it comes from. My real favorite is "why is it so hot in here?" I'd bet no one can name the movie that one comes from...
   62. AROM, Instagram Gangsta Posted: July 30, 2014 at 01:15 PM (#4760489)
Are there many 100mph throwers with acceptable walk rates who haven't made it because they got hit too hard?


There aren't many 100 mph throwers, period. I was trying to think of an example, and remembered Jumbo Diaz, a 30 year old, 300+ pound rookie for the Reds. I saw his MLB debut where he got hit hard by the Blue Jays in the game where the Reds blew an 8-0 lead. Since then Jumbo has pitched well. Better than well, actually. 4 hits in 13.1 innings with a 1.35 ERA.

Carter Capps has a career of 96 innings, 37 walks and 109 strikeouts. Decent enough control, but has given up 108 hits and a 4.78 ERA. Most of that came from last year with the Mariners. His results are better in 9 games with the Marlins so far.

If you can throw 100 with control, success is not automatic. But you probably don't need much more than BABIP regression to the mean to achieve it.
   63. Howling John Shade Posted: July 30, 2014 at 01:32 PM (#4760506)
The Academy of Art has dozens of properties all over town and is buying more all the time. In fact, some would say it's more real estate venture than school. Apparently, it does with these properties whatever the hell it wants and is constantly at war with the city over alleged zoning and planning violations.
I'm fairly sure we'll find out one day that the Academy of Art is a front for the Mafia or the Zetas or something similar. They're the second largest private landowner in SF (an Italian soda to whoever guesses #1). It's hard to find a neighborhood in the city that doesn't have one of their buildings.

They also got in trouble a while back for shady recruiting practices. I think the idea was that they had a policy of going after kids who had a very high probability of dropping out early in their first semester so that they could get the loan payments for that semester without having to actually teach anyone.
   64. dr. scott Posted: July 30, 2014 at 01:37 PM (#4760510)
Academy of Art University is the only art school in the NCAA. The Urban Knights, who received full-fledged NCAA Division II membership on July 12, 2012, sponsor 16 intercollegiate sports and are now eligible to compete for NCAA Championships in the post-season.


Who knew. Their home field is in Oakland... too bad they paved over Joe DiMaggio park... 30 years ago.
   65. Zach Posted: July 30, 2014 at 02:04 PM (#4760531)
The possibilities for team uniforms featuring berets and black turtlenecks are endless.
   66. McCoy Posted: July 30, 2014 at 02:04 PM (#4760532)
My real favorite is "why is it so hot in here?" I'd bet no one can name the movie that one comes from...

I'm thinking a bunch of movies and TV shows have had characters utter those lines. Sneakers.
   67. A Fatty Cow That Need Two Seats Posted: July 30, 2014 at 02:16 PM (#4760540)
"New league record" is one of those movie quotes I break out on a regular basis, not caring if anyone else knows where it comes from. My real favorite is "why is it so hot in here?" I'd bet no one can name the movie that one comes from...


What is this, a trench coat convention?
   68. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 30, 2014 at 03:04 PM (#4760616)
There's also very little chance that professional instruction is going to get him to throw frozen-rope fastballs that major league hitters will effortlessly crush no matter how hard they come in.

Teach him the cutter. Problem solved.
   69. Bitter Mouse Posted: July 30, 2014 at 03:13 PM (#4760634)
7. The Walker Art Center in Minneapolis is really nice!


No it isn't. Or rather it is a nice building, but the art is NOT to my taste at all. I have gone several times over the years including when they have special exhibits, and I never enjoy myself. I do really like the Sculpture Garden though.
   70. DL from MN Posted: July 30, 2014 at 04:13 PM (#4760727)
the art is NOT to my taste at all


Then go to MIA instead
   71. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: July 30, 2014 at 04:18 PM (#4760732)
He's thrown all of 19 competitive innings since he graduated from high school, 6 or so years ago.

+ 12 for that Wine league team,- 31 Ks and 15 walks in those 12 innings...


A guy I was thinking about was Jim Morris... but Morris actually was drafted after High School and pitched in the minors before washing out... and popping up out of nowhere 12 years later
   72. Random Transaction Generator Posted: July 30, 2014 at 04:23 PM (#4760738)
A guy I was thinking about was Jim Morris... but Morris actually was drafted after High School and pitched in the minors before washing out... and popping up out of nowhere 12 years later


It's the kind of story you could make a movie about...
   73. Jeff R., P***y Mainlander Posted: July 30, 2014 at 04:24 PM (#4760740)
There aren't many 100 mph throwers, period. I was trying to think of an example, and remembered Jumbo Diaz, a 30 year old, 300+ pound rookie for the Reds. I saw his MLB debut where he got hit hard by the Blue Jays in the game where the Reds blew an 8-0 lead. Since then Jumbo has pitched well. Better than well, actually. 4 hits in 13.1 innings with a 1.35 ERA.

Carter Capps has a career of 96 innings, 37 walks and 109 strikeouts. Decent enough control, but has given up 108 hits and a 4.78 ERA. Most of that came from last year with the Mariners. His results are better in 9 games with the Marlins so far.

If you can throw 100 with control, success is not automatic. But you probably don't need much more than BABIP regression to the mean to achieve it.


Billy Koch threw 100 and had a few decent seasons, then he was done by 29. But man, I don't think I've ever seen a straighter fastball than his.
   74. BDC Posted: July 30, 2014 at 04:30 PM (#4760747)
Academy of Art University is the only art school in the NCAA

I see that Savannah College of Art and Design dropped baseball a couple of years ago; they were an NAIA school, in any case. Alma mater of the inspiring Charlie Zink. We must have had a Charlie Zink thread here at some point.
   75. Jeltzandini Posted: July 30, 2014 at 04:44 PM (#4760771)
Billy Koch threw 100 and had a few decent seasons, then he was done by 29. But man, I don't think I've ever seen a straighter fastball than his.


And he seemed to be done mostly because his bad walk rates became terrible walk rates. He wasn't getting knocked around.

Obviously everyone would be thrilled if Brandon Poulson had Billy Koch's success, or the other guys in this thread. By far the likeliest result is that the Twins organization has no success in getting his control to an acceptable level.
   76. TFTIO is familiar with the works of Pablo Neruda Posted: July 30, 2014 at 06:08 PM (#4760863)
The Academy of Art College is a total real estate scam. They're utter scumbags.
   77. deputydrew Posted: July 30, 2014 at 07:31 PM (#4760916)
Sneakers.


Very well done, McCoy. I am impressed.
   78. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: July 30, 2014 at 08:36 PM (#4760963)
Billy Koch threw 100 and had a few decent seasons, then he was done by 29. But man, I don't think I've ever seen a straighter fastball than his.

Matt Anderson also had a very hittable 100 MPH fastball. No movement at all and never developed a quality second pitch.
   79. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 30, 2014 at 08:40 PM (#4760968)
Billy Koch threw 100 and had a few decent seasons, then he was done by 29. But man, I don't think I've ever seen a straighter fastball than his.


Maybe Todd Van Poppel's?
   80. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 30, 2014 at 08:44 PM (#4760973)
A guy I was thinking about was Jim Morris... but Morris actually was drafted after High School and pitched in the minors before washing out... and popping up out of nowhere 12 years later


The Pirates signed a former 100-MPH man out of indy ball this year, and so far, John Holdzkom looks pretty good. He's finally healthy, and he's been punching guys out at AA and AAA. I wouldn't be surprised to see them add him to the 40-man roster this offseason.
   81. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: July 31, 2014 at 08:07 AM (#4761118)
I love how Zink was the IL's Most Valuable Pitcher in 2008...and his lifetime MLB ERA is 16.62. Baseball is hard. (Here's a list of highest career ERA, minimum 4 IP; Charlie is 26th, behind such pitchers as the immortal Hanson Horsey.

Fun fact: Charlie is the only big-leaguer whose middle name is "Tadao".
   82. Jeltzandini Posted: July 31, 2014 at 08:21 AM (#4761122)
In Zink's one game he left with a 12-6 lead, and his team won the game 19-17. He pitched to the score!
   83. Rennie's Tenet Posted: July 31, 2014 at 11:21 PM (#4762259)
Just adding a note here about Ed Spriggs, who was working in the post office when Georgetown signed him to play basketball at age 24. He didn't make the NBA, but he started some and was Patrick Ewing's backup when the Big East was pretty similar to the NBA.
   84. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: August 29, 2014 at 02:55 PM (#4781908)
I just wanted to pass along an update here:

Poulson has since appeared in 5 games (6 innings) with the Elizabethton Twins of the Appalachian League this year. 7 Ks, but 8 walks (and a HBP and a wild pitch). ERA of 4.50.
   85. AROM, Instagram Gangsta Posted: August 29, 2014 at 03:12 PM (#4781922)
And he seemed to be done mostly because his bad walk rates became terrible walk rates. He wasn't getting knocked around.


Billy Koch's average velocity went from 95.3 in 2002 to 92.6 in 2003. His velocity and semblance of control left at the same time. In 2002 he pitched 84 games and 93 innings. A's really worked everything they could out of his arm. No wonder he had nothing left for the ALDS.
   86. nick swisher hygiene Posted: August 29, 2014 at 03:39 PM (#4781945)
“I’ve always been the most dedicated person off the field,” Poulson said. “I do yoga. I never cheat my diet. I read books on sleep and nutrition and workout plans. I’m always in the gym. Then it comes time to go to the field and I struggle. That part hurt me the most. I’m working harder than everyone. They’re all out partying. I’m here doing everything I should be doing, and come time to pitch I can’t even throw a strike.”


you guys think he's getting laid?

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