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ESPN: Andy Pettitte out at least 6 weeks

New York Yankees left-hander Andy Pettitte has a fractured left ankle and will miss at least six weeks.

The 40-year-old Pettitte was hit on the ankle by a line drive in the fifth inning of Wednesday’s game against the Cleveland Indians. The Yankees said Pettitte will heal without needing surgery.

Where’s Chien-Ming Wang when you need him?

Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: June 27, 2012 at 04:07 PM | 64 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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1. JJ1986 Posted: June 27, 2012 at 04:36 PM (#4168000)

AJ Burnett: 8-2, 3.24 ERA, 6.25 IP/S, 1.24 WHIP, 118 ERA+, 7.4 K/9, 3.2 BB/9, .7 HR/9

2. jack the seal clubber (on the sidelines of life) Posted: June 27, 2012 at 04:40 PM (#4168001)

Where’s Chien-Ming Wang when you need him

You don't want him, believe me.

3. Guapo Posted: June 27, 2012 at 04:43 PM (#4168003)

DeWayne Wise, Karma Assassin.

4. Walt Davis Posted: June 27, 2012 at 04:47 PM (#4168005)

"Hello, Mr. Pettitte."
"Oh no, not you guys!"
"Didn't we tell you, deny that conversation ever took place or we'll break your knee."
"But they would have tried me for perjury."
"Was I not clear?"
"But.... but .... I said it was 50/50 that it even happened, that's almost like denying it took place."
"He's got a point there boss."
"OK, 50/50 ... what's half a knee, Johnny."
"I'd say an ankle boss.

5. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: June 27, 2012 at 04:48 PM (#4168007)

First Pettitte was going to pitch on July 2, but suddenly now he's not. Why does this liar keep changing his story?

6. jack the seal clubber (on the sidelines of life) Posted: June 27, 2012 at 04:53 PM (#4168010)

Brittle ankles. Another condition that could have been prevented by HGH.

7. Jolly Old St. Nick Done Jumped The Ship

Posted: June 27, 2012 at 04:56 PM (#4168014)

I hear Casey Kotchman's quite close to his sister Christal. Sure would be a shame if anything were to happen to her.

8. Swoboda is freedom Posted: June 27, 2012 at 04:57 PM (#4168015)

Older pitchers are a definite injury risk.

9. Tom Nawrocki Posted: June 27, 2012 at 04:59 PM (#4168018)

Give him a shot of hGH and he'll be good as new.

10. Swoboda is freedom Posted: June 27, 2012 at 05:05 PM (#4168022)

Give him a shot of hGH and he'll be good as new.

Or two.

11. boteman Posted: June 27, 2012 at 05:08 PM (#4168028)

Where’s Chien-Ming Wang when you need him

You don't want him, believe me.

Oh, by all means PLEASE take Chien-Ming Wang! The Nats will happily pay for his transportation to NYC.

12. Repoz

Posted: June 27, 2012 at 05:12 PM (#4168030)

Give him a shot of hGH and he'll be good as new.

Or two.

Just below the fibula.

13. The Long Arm of Rudy Law Posted: June 27, 2012 at 05:18 PM (#4168035)

Bob Turley would listen if the Yankees called.

14. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: June 27, 2012 at 05:27 PM (#4168055)

Bob Turley would listen if the Yankees called.

so would Sam Militello

15. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: June 27, 2012 at 05:37 PM (#4168070)

Curtis Pride wouldn't.

16. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 27, 2012 at 05:44 PM (#4168078)

Pettitte should be back in about the time it'd take a retired pitcher to get ready, otherwise Mike Mussina's phone might be ringing.

17. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: June 27, 2012 at 05:47 PM (#4168079)

It will take a while for me to adjust to Ryan Dempster in pinstripes.

18. Kurt Posted: June 27, 2012 at 05:56 PM (#4168092)

Honestly this may be a blessing in disguise. They have a 6.5 game lead (I don't count the Orioles), it's not an arm injury, and now their 40 year old pitcher gets six weeks of rest.

19. asinwreck Posted: June 27, 2012 at 06:07 PM (#4168100)

This injury wouldn't happen to Monty Stratton.

20. Best Regards, L.M. Posted: June 27, 2012 at 06:18 PM (#4168108)

Honestly this may be a blessing in disguise. They have a 6.5 game lead (I don't count the Orioles), it's not an arm injury, and now their 40 year old pitcher gets six weeks of rest.

Okay, the O's aren't a great team by any measure. But they're probably better than you think they are.

21. Kurt Posted: June 27, 2012 at 06:55 PM (#4168128)

The last time the O's were a .500 team, Jamie Moyer was teammates with Paul Sorrento, Joey Cora, Jeff Fassero, Norm Charlton, Heathcliff Slocumb and Dennis Martinez.

If they win it this year, God bless 'em.

22. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 27, 2012 at 07:42 PM (#4168151)

The last time the O's were a .500 team, Jamie Moyer was teammates with Paul Sorrento, Joey Cora, Jeff Fassero, Norm Charlton, Heathcliff Slocumb and Dennis Martinez.

So what kind of an out clause does Mr. Moyer have in his Toronto deal?

23. FrankM Posted: June 27, 2012 at 08:30 PM (#4168162)

Moyer has to make 2 starts at Las Vegas. Then, if the Blue Jays don't call him up, he's a free agent.

24. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: June 27, 2012 at 09:21 PM (#4168173)

Over/under for number of games Baltimore ends up winning this season: 81.

I'll go first: Under.

25. bunyon Posted: June 27, 2012 at 09:41 PM (#4168187)

Moyer in Yankee stadium might give up 20 homers...per start.

26. Kurt Posted: June 27, 2012 at 09:45 PM (#4168190)

Phil Hughes does that and still wins more games than he loses.

27. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: June 27, 2012 at 09:53 PM (#4168191)

I hear Alfonso Soriano is available.

28. Best Dressed Chicken in Town Posted: June 27, 2012 at 10:02 PM (#4168196)

Bring back David Phelps. He is ready to be a competent starter.

29. Best Regards, L.M. Posted: June 27, 2012 at 10:07 PM (#4168199)

They're going to trade Phelps for Felix Hernandez.

30. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: June 27, 2012 at 10:16 PM (#4168205)

Over/under for number of games Baltimore ends up winning this season: 81.

First of all, Adam La Marque Jones has a badass middle name. It makes him sound like he has the Queen's permission to be a privateer. Secondly, has anyone talked about how awesome Baltimore's relief pitching has been? Like all bullpens, they could turn to crap tomorrow, but so far:

Pos Name         ERA   ERA+  WHIP
CL Jim Johnson   1.10  370   0.673
RP Luis Ayala    1.83  222   1.078
RP Pedro Strop   1.32  308   1.118
RP Troy Patton*  3.18  128   0.971
RP Darren ODay   1.67  244   0.804 

Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 6/27/2012.

31. boteman Posted: June 27, 2012 at 10:18 PM (#4168206)

They're going to trade Phelps for Felix Hernandez.

Or Livan Hernandez.

32. Kurt Posted: June 27, 2012 at 10:50 PM (#4168222)

Fernigal touched on the main problem with the O's, which is that a big chunk of the team (the aforementioned bullpen, Hammel, Chen, Jones, Davis) are much more likely to regress than improve over the second half, and there aren't nearly as many (if any?) underachievers who would be expected to substantially improve.

33. Cooper Nielson Posted: June 27, 2012 at 11:08 PM (#4168229)

Curtis Pride wouldn't.

I am ashamed that I laughed at this.

34. RollingWave Posted: June 27, 2012 at 11:26 PM (#4168231)

O's pythag record is the worst in the ALE and only marginally above .500 at this point. that's not good news for them.

As for Wang, saw a bit of his start recently and his mechanics seems to have completely fallen appart, he often make pitches where even a complete amature can tell that the mechanisc are completely off.

As for the Yanks... errrr. is Roger Clemens still avalible ? :P

35. Der_K Posted: June 27, 2012 at 11:28 PM (#4168232)

Their pythag wasn't helped tonight, either.

36. escabeche Posted: June 27, 2012 at 11:28 PM (#4168233)

I'd take the over on the O's. To win 81 games they've got to play .454 ball, a 73-win pace, for the rest of the season. There are players on the Orioles who aren't as good as they look right now, but it doesn't seem much of a stretch to believe that on true talent this team is 4 games better than the 2011 version. It's not clear to me there's anywhere the team's gotten worse, and various places they've gotten better. Jones really is a better player than he has been (and he's at the age where that shouldn't be a giant surprise.) I would say current rotation + Zach Britton - Tommy Hunter alone is 4 games better than last year's rotation (which included Brian Matusz's 10.69 ERA for half the year.) I've been a skeptic all along, but at this point I think it's better than even odds they finish over .500.

37. Kurt Posted: June 27, 2012 at 11:34 PM (#4168236)

I would also take the over, though I wouldn't bet anything substantial on it. I have no problem saying they're legitimately better than they have been in the past. Though I will say that for fifteen years, optimistic fans have been saying "Well, the back end of our rotation has to be an improvement on last year!", so be careful with that. And I remember too many 7-21 Septembers to worry about "pace" too much.

38. escabeche Posted: June 27, 2012 at 11:52 PM (#4168244)

Orioles after Sep 1:

2011: 15-13
2010: 17-13
2009: 10-20
2008: 5-20
2007: 10-19

So I dunno -- maybe the curse is broken?

39. Jolly Old St. Nick Done Jumped The Ship

Posted: June 27, 2012 at 11:55 PM (#4168248)

Much as I'd like to see the O's stay afloat and give the long suffering fans of Baltimore something to cheer about, right now I'd bet that the one-two teams in the ALE are going to be, surprise surprise, the Yankees and the Red Sox. Right now the Sox's current Pythag is only 2 1/2 games behind the Yanks in spite of a 17 point gap in ERA+ and a dead heat in OPS+, and the Yanks have got some enormous holes to fill in that rotation.

40. SteveF Posted: June 28, 2012 at 01:44 AM (#4168283)

Yanks have got some enormous holes to fill in that rotation

He's just big boned!

41. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: June 28, 2012 at 01:57 AM (#4168288)

the Yanks have got some enormous holes to fill in that rotation.

Oh, I see what you did there...

42. Walt Davis Posted: June 28, 2012 at 03:18 AM (#4168296)

They're going to trade Phelps for Felix Hernandez

Probably better swing a deal for Jose Lopez first so they can include him in the deal.

43. Kranepool Society Posted: June 28, 2012 at 08:44 AM (#4168334)

Anyone have Stan Bahnsen' phone number ?

44. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: June 28, 2012 at 08:54 AM (#4168338)

I'd take the under on 75 wins for the Orioles.

45. TomH Posted: June 28, 2012 at 10:10 AM (#4168378)

re: 39 and Sox-Yanks:

Yankess have large ERA advantage. Where does it come from? Less hits, walks, HR allowed? No.
pitching OPS allowed even.
pitching OPS allowed with no one on: Sox do much better (70 pts)
pitching OPS allowed with runners on: Yanks do much better (50+ pts).
HUGE clutch pitching edge.

it works in reverse, to a lesser extenet, on offense. It is almost like Yankess stadium glues runners to their bases, and Fenway when one batter gets a hit the contagion spreads.

46. SG Posted: June 28, 2012 at 11:24 AM (#4168496)

The problem for the Yankees is I don't necessarily think clutch pitching is predictive. The Yankees have scored 21 fewer runs than they should have given their component hitting stats, but they've allowed 34 fewer runs than they should have according to the same thing. So their offense should get a bit better and their run prevention should get a bit worse over the rest of the year if current trends hold.

Boston's scored seven more runs than you'd expect given their component stats and have allowed seven more.

If you use neutral component stats for both teams Boston's played at around a .561 wpct/91 win level and the Yankees have played at around a .569 wpct/92 win level. FWIW, LAAAAA of AA has played at a .577 wpct/93 win level and Texas is at a .647 wpct/105 win level.

47. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: June 28, 2012 at 11:34 AM (#4168512)

If you use neutral component stats for both teams Boston's played at around a .561 wpct/91 win level and the Yankees have played at around a .569 wpct/92 win level.

If this is true, though, you still wouldn't predict much of a close race, because the Yankees already have a big lead. Yankees have 88 games left, even if they win 48 of them (.545 W%/88-win level) then the Red Sox would need to play .620 (100-win pace) just to have the tie. Having seven fewer losses than the Red Sox basically gives the Yankees a huge amount of breathing room, which is a big part of the reason CC is on the DL.

48. SG Posted: June 28, 2012 at 11:45 AM (#4168530)

If this is true, though, you still wouldn't predict much of a close race, because the Yankees already have a big lead.

Who predicted a close race?

Anyway, if Boston's played at a 91 win level and are getting back Ellsbury and Crawford at some point they should probably be expected to be better than that going forward, assuming regression from other places doesn't nullify that.

This year's race is going to be pretty volatile IMO. The Yankees and Red Sox have only played each other twice and we're almost at the midpoint of the season. 16 of their final 81 games are against each other. That's something like 96 hours of torture.

49. bfan Posted: June 28, 2012 at 12:26 PM (#4168600)

and are getting back Ellsbury and Crawford at some point they should probably be expected to be better than that going forward

I heard this same line on TV. What exactly does getting Crawford back do for them? Even ignoring the disaster that was last year as a true indicator, he has a lifetime 105 OPS+, and he is on the wrong side of 27, so I am not sure you are going to get improvement on that. He is a substantial down-grade on how Boston left fielders have played this year. He is an upgrade in average salary per starter, but that is about all.

50. rlc Posted: June 28, 2012 at 02:27 PM (#4168744)

Fernigal touched on the main problem with the O's, which is that a big chunk of the team (the aforementioned bullpen, Hammel, Chen, Jones, Davis) are much more likely to regress than improve over the second half, and there aren't nearly as many (if any?) underachievers who would be expected to substantially improve.

You may be right, but:

.              2012      Career
Player  Age wOBA BABIP wOBA BABIP
Hardy    29 .293  .248 .324  .277
Reynolds 28 .326  .298 .349  .309
Markakis 28 .338  .276 .355  .321

Pitcher   ERA  FIP
Arrieta  5.55 3.89
Matusz   5.24 4.81 

I'll take the just barely over on 81 wins for the O's, partly because of the schedule: they've already played 32 games within the AL East, plus 25 more against the Rangers, Angels, Nats, White Sox, Mets, and Braves. Only 42 of the O's remaining 88 games are against teams that are currently above .500, as opposed to 57 of their first 74. If the O's merely break even in their remaining games against the AL Central (less Chicago), the A's and the M's, they would only need to win 16 of 42 against the contenders in order to reach 82. I think they can pull that off.

51. SG Posted: June 28, 2012 at 04:06 PM (#4168905)

I've got the O's finishing at 80-82 as of this morning. I think .500 is a very realistic scenario.

52. UCCF Posted: June 28, 2012 at 04:13 PM (#4168916)

Curtis Pride wouldn't.

I am ashamed that I laughed at this.

I'm shocked that, in all of the years that the "X would listen if Y called" meme has been floating around here, this is the first time I've seen someone make a Curtis Pride joke.

Kudos. I laughed as well.

53. jack the seal clubber (on the sidelines of life) Posted: June 28, 2012 at 04:28 PM (#4168944)

Curtis Pride wouldn't.

I am ashamed that I laughed at this.

I'm shocked that, in all of the years that the "X would listen if Y called" meme has been floating around here, this is the first time I've seen someone make a Curtis Pride joke.

Kudos. I laughed as well

I've heard worse.

It's a shame that those sign language hecklers finally drove Curtis out of the league.

54. RollingWave Posted: June 29, 2012 at 03:26 AM (#4169227)

Speaking of former Yankee pitcher.... AJ Burnett is 9-2 with a low 3s ERA... just saying.

55. Dr. Vaux Posted: June 29, 2012 at 04:34 AM (#4169229)

He's now pitching in the NL Central . . . just saying.

56. The District Attorney Posted: June 29, 2012 at 06:14 PM (#4169782)

Secondly, has anyone talked about how awesome Baltimore's relief pitching has been?

Rany Jazayerli and Joe Sheehan did, for about an hour straight. It's normally a very good podcast, but this one went totally off the rails and became utterly insufferable... almost literally the entire thing was an argument over whether the Orioles had a 5% chance to make the postseason and thus should not consider being "buyers", or whether they had a 15% chance and thus should at least consider it.

IIRC, Joe's over/under for Baltimore wins was 73 (and Rany's was 78, just to show you how inconsequential this disagreement was). Joe kept bringing up the '11 Pirates, and obviously it is possible. Sure seems to me, though, that under 73 wins would be a pretty long-odds bet to make at this point.

57. DKDC Posted: June 29, 2012 at 11:22 PM (#4169910)

If the Orioles avoid a total meltdown in the next month, I think they'll be sorta buyers at the deadline and look to plug the holes in back end of the rotation, LF, and/or 3B. I doubt they'll shop for top end talent, but even finding below-average starters there would give them a fair shot to finish over. 500 and be in the mix for a wild card spot if things break right.

That's probably the right strategy too - they don't really have the talent base to be a consistent competitor in this division, so they should take advantage of the position they are in due to some overperformance in the first half.

If the Orioles do crater in the next month, though, there's really no limit to how low they can go.

58. The District Attorney Posted: June 30, 2012 at 12:10 PM (#4170045)

they don't really have the talent base to be a consistent competitor in this division, so they should take advantage of the position they are in due to some overperformance in the first half.

Yeah, this is exactly what Rany was saying. Joe countered that this team's real "moment" would come when Bundy and Machado, "arguably the two best prospects in the minor leagues", are leading the team. I agreed with Rany when he responded that those guys are 19 years old, which means that will most likely take a few years at best, and very well might never happen. (And he didn't even mention that, y'know, the other four teams get to make moves too.) Rany also correctly IMO pointed out that there would be value for the Oriole franchise in showing their fans that they can be relevant. I thought Joe was being overly deterministic and stubborn. But mostly, I was hoping they would move on to discuss something else, which they never did :-)

59. McCoy Wilfong for Money Posted: June 30, 2012 at 12:13 PM (#4170047)

Alfonso Soriano is available.

60. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: June 30, 2012 at 07:42 PM (#4170248)

Alfonso Soriano is available.

So was Jim Thome, apparently.

61. DKDC Posted: June 30, 2012 at 07:49 PM (#4170250)

Yeah, Thome is an odd choice for a team that has DHs at 1B, 3B, and RF right now.

I think we're going to see a pretty active trader Dave.

His next assignment is to find a taker for Reynolds, Betemit, Johnson, Eveland, Hunter, or Gregg. Good luck with that.

62. James Newburg is in awe of Cespedes' CORE STRENGTH Posted: June 30, 2012 at 08:39 PM (#4170261)

WHAT'S UP, AL EAST RACE

IT'S JI

JIM THOME

63. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: June 30, 2012 at 09:15 PM (#4170273)

Huh, Jim Thome is TOLAXOR...who knew?

64. McCoy Wilfong for Money Posted: June 30, 2012 at 09:40 PM (#4170281)

Geez, not a bad hall for a guy that cost the Phillies half a million dollars or so.

Though it does make me wonder what the Cubs are asking for to move Soriano.

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