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ESPN.com: Hank Steinbrenner says teams should not ‘forget who subsidizes a lot of them’

Yammerin’ Yank puts his 20,000,000,000 cents in . . .

“I don’t want these teams in general to forget who subsidizes a lot of them, and it’s the Yankees, the Red Sox, Dodgers, Mets,” he said to The New York Post. “I would prefer if teams want to target the Yankees that they at least start giving some of that revenue sharing and luxury tax money back. From an owner’s point of view, that’s my point.”

Steinbrenner, again exhibiting his penchant for verbal jabbing, said he has been pleased by the Yankees’ team-first mentality this spring, and did not want to comment on Shelley Duncan’s slide—the one that prompted the Wednesday skirmish.

“Girardi has his players’ back and I have his back and that’s never going to change,” Hank Steinbrenner said to The Post.

“There are going to be problems, especially if they go after our stars,” Steinbrenner added. “It’s not going to be tolerated. We never have done it to them. It’s just not going to happen anymore.”

Francisco Cervelli is a star?

Fred Garvin still has outstanding warrants Posted: March 15, 2008 at 07:11 PM | 39 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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1. Excel Hearts Choi Posted: March 15, 2008 at 08:44 PM (#2713381)

When I first read this, I was pretty upset at the audacity of Steinbrenner. Nobody made the Yankees hand out those massive contracts; some of which were terrible mistakes. I, as a fan of a baseball team not named the Yankees, don't owe them anything.

But, then I got to thinking. So many owners extract maximal profits from their teams, while putting only a minimal return into payroll, scouting, and drafting. This, however, can't be said of the Steinbrenners. In a way, Hank has a point, though he does not articulate it very well.

2. Rich Posted: March 15, 2008 at 08:47 PM (#2713385)

Hank is correct, but I don't see the utility in talking about it.

3. The Kids Are Enright (1k5v3L)

Posted: March 15, 2008 at 08:52 PM (#2713386)

Hank Steinbrenner should not forget he needs to other teams to actually show up at Yankee stadium 81 times a year, so Hank Steinbrenner can charge them a bolus of cash for the watered down piss they sell as beer.

Hank's rant is pointless. In fact, Hank is pointless.

4. The importance of being Ernest Riles Posted: March 15, 2008 at 09:02 PM (#2713389)

My nickname sticks!

5. Exploring Leftist Conservatism since 2008 (ark..) Posted: March 15, 2008 at 09:04 PM (#2713390)

“Girardi has his players’ back and I have his back and that’s never going to change,” Hank Steinbrenner said to The Post. He then added, "Well, you know, until I fire him."

6. Fred Garvin still has outstanding warrants Posted: March 15, 2008 at 09:08 PM (#2713392)

Hank is correct,

How? It sounds to me that he's saying that because the Yankees subsidizes the Rays and most of the league, that those teams have no business playing hard or complaining when the Yankees act like jackasses.

7. Swedish Chef Posted: March 15, 2008 at 09:11 PM (#2713393)

Hank Steinbrenner should not forget he needs to other teams to actually show up at Yankee stadium 81 times a year, so Hank Steinbrenner can charge them a bolus of cash for the watered down piss they sell as beer.

They certainly don't need the Royals, Rays or Marlins.

8. andrewberg Posted: March 15, 2008 at 09:19 PM (#2713394)

Didn't he say he was done talking about the Red Sox this morning? Then he brings them up in an interview the same day? I guess it's not a surprise that he isn't very believable.

9. The Kids Are Enright (1k5v3L)

Posted: March 15, 2008 at 09:19 PM (#2713395)

Well then, Chef, Hank should start a new league with Real Madrid, the NE Patriots and the All Blacks.

10. Rich Posted: March 15, 2008 at 09:26 PM (#2713399)

How? It sounds to me that he's saying that because the Yankees subsidizes the Rays and most of the league, that those teams have no business playing hard or complaining when the Yankees act like jackasses.

I'm merely referring to the fact that small market teams do benefit from the luxury taxes the Yankees are assessed, and that it's understandable that the person(s) who is paying out those funds would resent that such largesse could be used against their team's interests.

If that makes him a jackass, the word must have a meaning that I am familiar with. His feelings are reflective of a basic human nature.

11. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: March 15, 2008 at 09:40 PM (#2713409)

Francisco Cervelli is a star?

It's like the <strike>WWF</strike> WWE. Everyone who dons Yankee pinstripes is a "Major League Superstar."

For example, Billy Crystal.

12. BeanoCook Posted: March 15, 2008 at 09:43 PM (#2713412)

Remember when teams like the Royals used to subsidize the Yankees talent? In fact, the Yankees talent has been cultivated by small markets for a long time now.

13. Rich Posted: March 15, 2008 at 09:49 PM (#2713415)

In fact, the Yankees talent has been cultivated by small markets for a long time now.

Schilling (D'backs), Beckett (Marlins), Lowell (Marlins), Manny (Indians), Crisp (Indians), Varitek (Mariners).

Before that: Pedro (Expos,) Foulke (A's), Lowe (Mariners)

Yup, the Yankees have a monopoly on having their talent cultivated by small market teams.

14. Fred Garvin still has outstanding warrants Posted: March 15, 2008 at 10:01 PM (#2713424)

I'm merely referring to the fact that small market teams do benefit from the luxury taxes the Yankees are assessed, and that it's understandable that the person(s) who is paying out those funds would resent that such largesse could be used against their team's interests.

So he gets pissed if someone like Pohlad pockets the money and gets pissed if they use it to actually compete.

How DARE they!

15. Rich Posted: March 15, 2008 at 10:06 PM (#2713429)

So he gets pissed if someone like Pohlad pockets the money and gets pissed if they use it to actually compete.

How DARE they!

As I implied in my intial post, I think he should shut up, but his feelings, imo, are understandable.

16. Robinson Cano Plate Like Home Posted: March 15, 2008 at 10:08 PM (#2713430)

Yeah, that's how it works, Fred. If you take the money, you gotta take the ####. I would think, as a male prostitute, you'd know all about that.

17. Jolly Old St. Neck Wound, Moral Idiot

Posted: March 15, 2008 at 10:21 PM (#2713434)

As long as Steinbrenner sticks to diplomacy and media relations and leaves the roster makeup to Cashman, we'll get the best of both worlds.

18. Swoboda is freedom Posted: March 15, 2008 at 10:24 PM (#2713436)

“I don’t want these teams in general to forget who subsidizes a lot of them

Yeah, like the taxpayers of NY who are building a new stadium for the Yankees. (Yeah I know, the Yanks are contributing, but NY state and NY city are paying more.)

19. A triple short of the cycle

Posted: March 15, 2008 at 10:27 PM (#2713437)

Everytime he works his pie-hole, he reinforces the very useful thought that it isn't a good idea to leave a lot of money and authority to a moron child.

Hank Steinbrenner is a great argument for the estate tax.

20. Fred Garvin still has outstanding warrants Posted: March 15, 2008 at 10:29 PM (#2713438)

I would think, as a male prostitute, you'd know all about that.

I can't argue with that.

21. Brian White Posted: March 15, 2008 at 10:32 PM (#2713439)

The Yankees subsidize the rest of MLB by way of revenue sharing.

MLB (and the federal government, via the anti-trust exemption) subsidizes the Yankees by giving them a guaranteed duopoly over the largest, richest media market in North America.

Yeah, the Yankees get the better of that deal by far.

22. andrewberg Posted: March 15, 2008 at 10:33 PM (#2713440)

sure, his feelings are understandable, but not particularly reasonable. If he didnt want to pay a luxury tax on his mammoth revenue, he should have just inherited the royals instead. His travails were eminently predictable and not particularly troublesome.

23. Rich Posted: March 15, 2008 at 10:49 PM (#2713449)

Hank Steinbrenner is a great argument for the estate tax.

Jim Dolan is the posterboy.

24. Joe Bivens, Idiot Posted: March 15, 2008 at 10:59 PM (#2713454)

If that makes him a jackass, the word must have a meaning that I am familiar with.

I'm sure it does.

25. Marcel Posted: March 15, 2008 at 11:30 PM (#2713464)

Schilling (D'backs), Beckett (Marlins), Lowell (Marlins), Manny (Indians), Crisp (Indians), Varitek (Mariners).

Before that: Pedro (Expos,) Foulke (A's), Lowe (Mariners)

I'm not arguing your point so much here, as I am your accuracy. Firstly, Schilling was really "cultivated" by the Phillies... and that was only after being traded from Boston/Baltimore/Houston. None of which were small market.

Secondly, your timeline is all kinds of ###### up. Your first group should be Foulke, Schil, Becket, Lowell, Crisp. The earlier group should be Pedro, Lowe, Tek (who came with Lowe. can't understand why you broke them up to begin with,) and Manny.

26. Sean Forman Posted: March 16, 2008 at 12:03 AM (#2713478)

MLB (and the federal government, via the anti-trust exemption) subsidizes the Yankees by giving them a guaranteed duopoly over the largest, richest media market in North America.

This is an excellent point. A good followup next time he starts complaining about this would be to ask, "In exchange for no luxury tax, would you be willing to allow other AL or NL teams to move into the NYC metropolitan area?" Seems like a reasonable trade.

The earlier group should be Pedro, Lowe, Tek (who came with Lowe. can't understand why you broke them up to begin with,) and Manny.

I'm not sure why Lowe and Varitek are grouped in here. They weren't FA signings. They were prospects the Red Sox picked up in exchange for Heathcliff Slocumb. Pretty much any team in the majors could have offered a reliever to the Mariners to get that package. Now they are obviously paying Varitek very well, so their resources allow them to do that.

27. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: March 16, 2008 at 12:06 AM (#2713479)

The earlier group should be Pedro, Lowe, Tek (who came with Lowe. can't understand why you broke them up to begin with,)

Well, Tek and Lowe shouldn't be included at all. They were the young ballplayers received by the noncontending team in exchange for sending the proven veteran to the playoff hopeful. That said proven veteran was Heathcliff Slocumb is just an indictment of the Mariners' judgment, but not an example of the rich taking advantage of the poor.

Edit: Sean beat me to it.

28. MSI Posted: March 16, 2008 at 12:15 AM (#2713488)

If this is what he wants, then how about a salary cap, draft slotting, and an international draft as well.

Also, if he had his way, this would happen: http://www.theonion.com/content/node/27656 (Yankees sign every player).

Basically, they'd win 130 games a year, and many other team all over baseball would be crippled, losing the fans. Or, the owners would start going in the red, and have teams eventually shut down.

29. Joe Bivens, Idiot Posted: March 16, 2008 at 12:21 AM (#2713490)

Well, Tek and Lowe shouldn't be included at all.

And Beckett and Lowell shouldn't be included, either, unless the Red Sox get Hanley Ramirez back in a few years for prospects.

30. Rich Posted: March 16, 2008 at 03:41 AM (#2713540)

I'm sure it does.

Give it up, dude. Seriously.

31. Rich Posted: March 16, 2008 at 03:53 AM (#2713544)

I'm not arguing your point so much here, as I am your accuracy. Firstly, Schilling was really "cultivated" by the Phillies... and that was only after being traded from Boston/Baltimore/Houston. None of which were small market.

Secondly, your timeline is all kinds of ###### up. Your first group should be Foulke, Schil, Becket, Lowell, Crisp. The earlier group should be Pedro, Lowe, Tek (who came with Lowe. can't understand why you broke them up to begin with,) and Manny.

I'll concede your point on Schilling, and although Baltimore and Houston may not be small market teams, they are, at least according to this assessment, mid-market teams.

The first grouping of players all played on the 2007 WS team; the second group included players that were on the 2004 WS team, but not on the 2007 team.

32. Fred Garvin still has outstanding warrants Posted: March 16, 2008 at 04:11 AM (#2713548)

If that makes him a jackass, the word must have a meaning that I am familiar with.

I was referring to the behavior of Duncan and Girardi -- both of whom have been jackasses. When the Rays call them on it, Steinbrenner has the audacity to say they shouldn't have the right to complain because they are taking luxury tax subsidies? WTF is that?

Here's the thing, Junior -- maybe if you decided not to resign ARod and half the 2002 AL All-Star team, perhaps you wouldn't be subsidizing them as much.

The Rays have won as many World Championships this century as the Yankees.

33. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader

Posted: March 16, 2008 at 04:20 AM (#2713550)

It's cool Hank. MLB should cut out all revenue sharing and end the regional rights BS that keeps the Marlins and Rays and anybody else who wants to set up shop in the Tri-State area. Or try this as a thought experiment: The Yankees have to choose between the stauts quo or having to switch places with the Royals with the promise that the Yankees will never have to pay revenue sharing no matter what their payroll is.

Yeah, the Yankees ownership needs to shut the fcuk up. They have the best economic set up in MLB along with the Mets and they know it.

34. Rich Posted: March 16, 2008 at 04:25 AM (#2713552)

I was referring to the behavior of Duncan and Girardi -- both of whom have been jackasses. When the Rays call them on it, Steinbrenner has the audacity to say they shouldn't have the right to complain because they are taking luxury tax subsidies? WTF is that?

OK. I have a different view of who was primarily at fault for the fight, but I am talked out about it from discussing it on other threads.

As for Hank, I prefer Hal.

35. S. Ransom Posted: March 16, 2008 at 07:03 AM (#2713577)

So how do the Rays project this season, anyway? They're definitely looking closer to .500 ball than they ever had, and with the Yankees' rotation consisting of two declining old guys, two rookies, and a guy with a flukey BABIP, the Yanks might not be that many games over the Rays this year.

Shock the world, Andy Sonnastine. Shock the world.

36. Marcel Posted: March 16, 2008 at 07:17 AM (#2713580)

The first grouping of players all played on the 2007 WS team; the second group included players that were on the 2004 WS team, but not on the 2007 team.

Ok, I see that. I looked to me like you were putting them together based on when they were obtained. My bad.

37. Gambling Rent Czar Posted: March 16, 2008 at 11:21 AM (#2713593)

primey #17

38. Gambling Rent Czar Posted: March 16, 2008 at 11:27 AM (#2713594)

How long till Hank runs for President, 2012, or 2016.

you know it's coming.

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