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Thursday, December 08, 2005

ESPN.com - MLB - Red Sox deal Renteria to Braves for Marte

The Braves are trying to ensure parity in the NL East it seems.

Sean McNally Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:15 PM | 240 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. nycfan Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:18 PM (#1767626)
That's it, i'm now a believer in the global conspiracy to deny the Yankees any more championships
   2. Michael Brady Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:18 PM (#1767627)
Why would the Braves do this? It makes no sense to me.

Not that I'm complaining, as a Phillies fan, but still I don't see why the Braves would move Marte.
   3. Kyle S Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:19 PM (#1767629)
Sigh.

If anyone is interested, I'll put 20 bucks on Marte outhitting Renteria next year, as long as Andy gets 250 PA in the big leagues.
   4. spike Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:20 PM (#1767632)
God dammit. What a pointless, overpaying for something you've already got panic move. Really, really cheesing me off. I guess it's about time Braves fans get to see a genuinely stupid organizational move, - other teams make them far more frequently I suppose. Still - god dammit!
   5. Sean McNally Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:20 PM (#1767634)
Maybe this is Millwood for Estrada part deux... but I doubt it
   6. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:20 PM (#1767635)
I think this is a good deal for the Braves. They'll get a very good shortstop for half of what Furcal would have cost them, and all they had to give up was a guy who although promising, really didn't have a future with Atlanta.
   7. Crazy Old Man Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:21 PM (#1767637)
I wish my team didn't have a general manager.
   8. Kyle S Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:21 PM (#1767638)
It is, Sean, except we just traded for Millwood, and "Estrada" is actually really good.
   9. KronicFatigue Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:21 PM (#1767640)
are the redsox going to get Lugo now from TB?
   10. Dingbat_Charlie Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:22 PM (#1767644)
holy cow. I saw the rumors but didn't believe the Braves would actually do it. dammit, I wish the O's could have found a way to get Marte. dammit.
   11. Sean McNally Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:23 PM (#1767645)
Marte's still not as good as that Peoria fella... he's a sure-fire first ballot Hall of Famer, I read it with my own two eyes. [/snark]
   12. Elton Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:23 PM (#1767647)
WOW. Mirabelli for Loretta, and now Renteria for Marte.
Is it illegal or merely unethical to use Jedi mind tricks on other GMs?
   13. Honkie Kong Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:23 PM (#1767649)
I am feeling sick today.
this is the absolute suck.
So we move from Betemit, Chipper/Laroche/Marte platoon at the corners to Renteria, laroche/chipper/betemit platoon at the corners for $8 mil more. screw that.

As I mentioned in the other thread, we can no longer even make fun of the Mutts :-(
   14. karlmagnus Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:25 PM (#1767655)
OK, Sox management, STOP! We DON'T NEED LUGO! Petunia can play SS!
   15. DCA Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:25 PM (#1767656)
Who knew Leo Mazzone was the man behind the screen for all the FO moves too? This is awful. Forget Marte, I'll put 20 bucks on Betemit outhitting Renteria next year.

The Millwood deal looked bad on talent, but at least the money went the right way. This looks bad on money and talent.
   16. Smiling Joe Hesketh Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:25 PM (#1767659)
Temper the enthusiasm, fellow Sox fans. They may wind up flipping Marte to TB for Lugo, which cools me on this deal considerably.
   17. J.C. Bradbury Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:25 PM (#1767660)
Bravesnation: !@#*

Ned Flanders: Dear Lord. That's the loudest profanity I've ever heard.
   18. Mark Shirk (jsch) Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:25 PM (#1767662)
Please send Marte to Tampa for Lugo...please!

Also, I heard Gammons say that Marte was 4th on the Braves depth chart at 3B, who are #'s 2 and 3?
   19. chris p Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:26 PM (#1767665)
<i>Also, I heard Gammons say that Marte was 4th on the Braves depth chart at 3B, who are #'s 2 and 3?<i>

betimet ... and julio franco?
   20. chris p Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:27 PM (#1767668)
Temper the enthusiasm, fellow Sox fans. They may wind up flipping Marte to TB for Lugo, which cools me on this deal considerably.

shut up.
   21. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:27 PM (#1767669)
Man, I can't believe Braves fans. Sheffield, JD Drew, Hudson, now Renteria. The Braves have consistently traded for great players all while giving up this supposedly great talent that has never come back to haunt them.
   22. "Catching Dianetics" by Dr. L. Ron Karkovice Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:27 PM (#1767671)
Why not stick with Betemit...If given a chance, he could likely outhit Renteria and has some more position flexibility.... not to mention that he'll save them about 7.5 million over Renteria
   23. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:28 PM (#1767672)
this sucks.

this sucks.

this sucks.

this sucks.

this sucks.
   24. Smiling Joe Hesketh Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:28 PM (#1767673)
Covelli, that's what's been rumored. Marte and Shoppach for Lugo and Huff. That would be an awful deal for the Sox. I'm hoping that's not true.
   25. frowndog Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:28 PM (#1767674)
Did the Red Sox hire a hypnotist as their GM while we weren't looking?

Marte?! Are you kidding me?!
   26. Mark Shirk (jsch) Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:29 PM (#1767677)
Okay, so I just looked Marte up on baseball-cube...

I had figured that he had an off year in 2005 and that was the reason that his stock seems to have fallen. He had an 878 OPS in AAA at age 21! I mean that isn't as good as David Wright or Miguel Cabrera but they aren't the standard.
   27. Honkie Kong Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:29 PM (#1767679)
I heard Gammons say that Marte was 4th on the Braves depth chart at 3B, who are #'s 2 and 3?
gammons being an idiot..
Marte was #2 on the depth chart behind Chipper. You could say Betemit last year was ahead of him..
We have a 3B prospect in low A, Campbell. Noone else close.
   28. Michael Brady Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:30 PM (#1767681)
I wonder if the Red Sox are picking up a portion of Renteria's salary? I can't imagine that the Braves are eating the entire contract.
   29. Spahn Insane Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:30 PM (#1767682)
So is Betemit available? I'd like to see him at short in Chicago.
   30. Elton Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:31 PM (#1767685)
Man, I can't believe Braves fans. Sheffield, JD Drew, Hudson, now Renteria. The Braves have consistently traded for great players all while giving up this supposedly great talent that has never come back to haunt them.

Odalis Perez? Jason Marquis? Juan Cruz? Not stars, but not chopped liver, those guys. I don't think we can promise that Dan Meyer won't haunt the Braves either. And Renteria is no Sheff, Drew or Huds.
   31. Honkie Kong Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:31 PM (#1767688)
Look up the Park Factors for Richmond..
and it was a down year cos he had put up 889 OPS at AA at age 20!
And he did that with a foot injury
   32. Kyle S Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:31 PM (#1767689)
Sheffield: Brian Jordan, Odalis Perez, Andy Brown.
JD Drew: Jason Marquis, Ray King, Adam Wainwright
Hudson: Chuckie Thomas, Juan Cruz, Dan Meyer.

Which of those players is even nearly Marte's equivalent as a prospect, OFF? If the Mets did this trade, you would be screaming to the high heavens.
   33. tfbg9 Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:32 PM (#1767691)
Is it true that Lugo hits women? I hate having domestic violence guys on my team. Just keep the kid, I agree.
   34. RP Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:33 PM (#1767693)
holy cow. I saw the rumors but didn't believe the Braves would actually do it. dammit, I wish the O's could have found a way to get Marte. dammit.

I hate to keep repeating myself, but Mora for Marte would have made a lot of sense. Mora's spent a fair amount of time at SS, and probably isn't much worse defensively than Renteria.
   35. The Original SJ Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:34 PM (#1767696)
CAn someone please explain to me what the #### is going on? The only explanation I can find is Marte slept with a couple of players wives, a la Baerga with the Indians in the early 90s. Either that, or he has a severe case of cooties. I would still think that you have got to get more for him than a 50 year old mediocre field no hit shortstop.
   36. Backlasher Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:34 PM (#1767697)
Why not stick with Betemit...If given a chance, he could likely outhit Renteria and has some more position flexibility


They are sticking with Betamit. He didn't get traded anywhere. He will still be on the roster. He'll probably play short if Renteria can't go, and will definately play third, because even if Chipper is injury free, the Braves will rest him.

I'll put 20 bucks on Betemit outhitting Renteria next year.


My guess is that everyone really hopes that is the case. What the Braves likely believe is that Betamit would not outfield Renteria if he had to play SS for the entire season.
   37. J.C. Bradbury Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:34 PM (#1767698)
Man, I can't believe Braves fans. Sheffield, JD Drew, Hudson, now Renteria. The Braves have consistently traded for great players all while giving up this supposedly great talent that has never come back to haunt them.


The Braves have never given up a prospect as good as Marte.
   38. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:35 PM (#1767699)
Marte and Shoppach for Lugo and Huff. That would be an awful deal for the Sox.

Who would be the BoSox shortstop right now if that deal doesn't happen? Machado?

Also, what would the Red Sox do with Marte if they keep him? Move Youkilis to first? Deal Youkilis?
   39. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:35 PM (#1767700)
This is absolute bullshit. It seems like every GM in the game is practically bending over and telling the Red Sox ####### GM committee to not even bother with the lube. I hope the Braves finish last next year for making such an idiotic move. I never thought I'd do this, but I'm pulling for the Mets in the NL East next year just so the Braves will be as embarassed as possible.
   40. Psychedelic Red Pants Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:35 PM (#1767701)
I wonder if the Red Sox are picking up a portion of Renteria's salary? I can't imagine that the Braves are eating the entire contract.

Rumor yesterday was 5-6M.
   41. Furious George Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:36 PM (#1767702)
With the Sox shedding Renteria's payroll, most likely Wells' and reportedly shopping Clement, are they trying to free up salary for something? They don't need all this room to lock up Damon, do they? An extension for Beckett?
   42. philly Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:37 PM (#1767704)
Never thought it would actually happen.

I'm completely shocked.
   43. Sean McNally Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:38 PM (#1767707)
Which of those players is even nearly Marte's equivalent as a prospect, OFF? If the Mets did this trade, you would be screaming to the high heavens.


They did make this trade... how quickly we forget.
   44. Mister High Standards Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:40 PM (#1767708)
Now I just have to cross my fingers that they don't turn around and deal him for anything short of BJ Uton and Lugo.
   45. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:40 PM (#1767710)
With the Sox shedding Renteria's payroll, most likely Wells' and reportedly shopping Clement, are they trying to free up salary for something? They don't need all this room to lock up Damon, do they? An extension for Beckett?

I'm guessing they trade Clement for Zach Duke, Wells for Rich Harden, and then they trade Manny Ramirez and Mike Lowell for Grady Sizemore, Jhonny Peralta, and Coco Crisp. Then they'll sign them all to extensions.
   46. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:41 PM (#1767713)
"are they trying to free up salary for something?"

Roger Clemens.
   47. Michael Brady Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:41 PM (#1767714)
Rumor yesterday was 5-6M.


I'm assuming that's 5-6M total, not per year, right?
   48. Gaylord Perry the Platypus (oi!) Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:42 PM (#1767715)
Rumor yesterday was 5-6M.

The problem is that that's over four years. Nothing this year, $1M each of the next two, and then the $3M buyout after that. That means the Braves are paying 8/11/11 over the next three years for a SS who looks like he's declining fast.

And fair or not, I think you have to wonder a bit about any player who fell off a cliff last season. What were they doing the years before?
   49. Cowboy Popup Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:44 PM (#1767718)
"And fair or not, I think you have to wonder a bit about any player who fell off a cliff last season. What were they doing the years before?"

Renteria fell off a cliff two years ago. A huge cliff. He actually improved a little bit last year.
   50. Psychedelic Red Pants Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:45 PM (#1767721)
I'm assuming that's 5-6M total, not per year, right?

Yeah, total.

And fair or not, I think you have to wonder a bit about any player who fell off a cliff last season.

Renteria was actually slightly better in 2005 than in 2004.
   51. The Piehole of David Wells Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:46 PM (#1767723)
edes sez:

The Red Sox are now expected to sign a free-agent shortstop to replace Renteria rather than pursue a trade with the Devil Rays for Julio Lugo, as had been rumored the last couple of days here at the winter meetings.
   52. RP Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:47 PM (#1767725)
And fair or not, I think you have to wonder a bit about any player who fell off a cliff last season. What were they doing the years before?

By "last season," do you mean 2005? B/c Renteria didn't fall off a cliff this year. His 2005 was almost exactly the same as his 2004.
   53. Backlasher Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:49 PM (#1767726)
Which of those players is even nearly Marte's equivalent as a prospect, OFF? If the Mets did this trade, you would be screaming to the high heavens.


That depends on who you ask and when you ask them. If you ask A's fans, Danny Meyer is the best prospect ever. If you ask the Braves management, you would probably see they were higher on Jason Marquis then just about any pitcher that has come through their system, even refusing to give him up in the Sheffield deal.

Of course, you can ask baseball america, it seemed that they thought Bruce Chen was a better prospect when he was packaged with Jimmy Osting for Andy Ashby.
   54. OlePerfesser Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:50 PM (#1767727)
Dustin Pedroia did play SS at ASU.

And Mark Loretta has played 328 games at SS (though not for a few years), and is -2 FRAA there for his career. He's much better at 2B, of course: +38 FRAA for his career.

Still, as a stopgap SS while Pedroia gets comfortable there again for a couple months in Pawtucket, that might not be a bad thing to do.

An eventual left side of the IF with Marte and Pedroia might not be too bad. I think I'd rather consider '06 a rebuilding year with that in prospect than watch Lugo and Huff.
   55. pkb33 Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:53 PM (#1767729)
Alex "Sea Bass" Gonzalez would have to be the leading FA candidate, wouldn't he?

Offical Friend of JWH, solid glove, righty bat (which matches with Cora's lefty bat).

Limited interest and therefore likely not to cost too much in years or dollars.
   56. RP Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:54 PM (#1767730)
I'd be pretty nervous if I were Cashman. They still have a gaping hole in CF, an iffy rotation, a shallow bullpen, and a potentially big problem at C. Meanwhile, the Red Sox have added J. Beckett, M. Loretta, and A. Marte. The Red Sox still have a lot of holes, but all of this activity has to be driving Steinbrenner nuts.

My guess is that the Yankees sign Damon for 6 years, $60 million, within the next couple days.
   57. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: December 08, 2005 at 05:55 PM (#1767731)
The Red Sox are now expected to sign a free-agent shortstop to replace Renteria

Hey, Nomar's available.

Other than that -

Royce Clayton
Alex Gonzalez
Rey Sanchez
Chris Gomez

Anyone else? Is Pokey Reese done, or what?
   58. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: December 08, 2005 at 06:02 PM (#1767734)
My guess is that the Yankees sign Damon for 6 years, $60 million, within the next couple days.

Considering that Paul Konerko got $60 Million for five years, I think it would take more to get Damon for six.
   59. Joel W Posted: December 08, 2005 at 06:02 PM (#1767735)
Does anybody else think the Red Sox are going to try to put Marte in LF?

Manny to the Dodgers for Drew and Izturis, no money changing hands?
   60. The Piehole of David Wells Posted: December 08, 2005 at 06:04 PM (#1767737)
edes said pokey is an option, as well as clayton and a-gon
   61. Scott Kazmir's breaking balls Posted: December 08, 2005 at 06:07 PM (#1767740)
Tampa Bay talk radio 620AM just commented that the Red Sox would package Marte and Arroyo to Tampa for Baez and Huff.
   62. Scott Kazmir's breaking balls Posted: December 08, 2005 at 06:08 PM (#1767742)
Tampa Bay talk radio 620AM just commented that the Red Sox would package Marte and Arroyo to Tampa for Baez and Huff.
   63. pkb33 Posted: December 08, 2005 at 06:09 PM (#1767743)
That would be a horrid trade for the Red Sox; if that were their plan you'd think it would have been structured as a three-way deal.

Though, that rumor was around yesterday.
   64. pkb33 Posted: December 08, 2005 at 06:10 PM (#1767744)
That would be a horrid trade for the Red Sox; if that were their plan you'd think it would have been structured as a three-way deal.

Though, that rumor was around yesterday.
   65. Foster Posted: December 08, 2005 at 06:12 PM (#1767746)
Lajoie just said in the presser they expect to pick up a free agent SS
   66. Gaylord Perry the Platypus (oi!) Posted: December 08, 2005 at 06:12 PM (#1767747)
Tampa Bay talk radio 620AM just commented that the Red Sox would package Marte and Arroyo to Tampa for Baez and Huff.

If Tampa would take that deal, why didn't the Braves just send Marte and Ramirez (or Davies) for Baez and Huff?
   67. Foster Posted: December 08, 2005 at 06:12 PM (#1767748)
Lajoie just said in the presser they expect to pick up a free agent SS
   68. RP Posted: December 08, 2005 at 06:15 PM (#1767751)
Considering that Paul Konerko got $60 Million for five years, I think it would take more to get Damon for six.

true...so replace "$60 million" with "a ton of money."
   69. 1k5v3L Posted: December 08, 2005 at 06:17 PM (#1767754)
I have had Marte on my NL only keeper team for 3 years. I lose him to the fn Red Sox. I have also had Milledge on my NL only keeper team for 2 years. If I lose Milledge to the fn Red Sox, I will hate the fn Red Sox with all the passion a non-Yankee fan can summon in his hatred fo the fn Red Sox.

And fn Braves and fn Chipper Stripper Whipper. Fk them all.
   70. Craig in MN Posted: December 08, 2005 at 06:25 PM (#1767762)
Rosenthal says the Red Sox are paying $11 of the $29 million remaining to Renteria.
   71. karlmagnus Posted: December 08, 2005 at 06:25 PM (#1767763)
Red Sox management. Stop Now. Do not execute more trades. Nomar is a free agent. Petunia can play SS when Nomar is injured. Keep Manny. Keep Damon. Put the phone down.
   72. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: December 08, 2005 at 06:31 PM (#1767767)
I have learned to expect players going from the NL to the Al to struggle at the plate, at least in the short term. Maybe the Braves look for Edgar to return to the neighborhood of his lst 3 years in St. Louis (though 2004 was nothing to remember). I wonder if Renteria himself expressed an interst in returning to the NL.

Guys who play SS in college or even in the minors are routinely moved elsewhere by the time they make the big leagues (Pedroia), or banished from SS as they age (Loretta). OTOH, I've seen enough mediocre performers at short (glove and stick combined) to think that either of those guys might get an extended look.

Great trade for the Sox, especially in the long term. If they are in the playoff mix in July, they could rent-a-player if need be.
   73. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: December 08, 2005 at 06:34 PM (#1767771)
Posted in the other topic, but...

All hail GM by committee! It seems to be working better than bullpen by committee!
   74. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: December 08, 2005 at 06:37 PM (#1767778)
Now, dear GM by Committee:

HANG ON TO MARTE! DON'T FLIP HIM FOR LUGO!
   75. Fred Garvin is dead to Mug Posted: December 08, 2005 at 06:38 PM (#1767780)
Tampa Bay talk radio 620AM just commented that the Red Sox would package Marte and Arroyo to Tampa for Baez and Huff.

Tampa should do this in a heartbeat.
   76. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: December 08, 2005 at 06:39 PM (#1767781)
All hail GM by committee! It seems to be working better than bullpen by committee!

"What do you mean, you just traded Renteria to Atlanta? I just traded him to someone else!"
   77. Schilling's Sprained Ankiel Posted: December 08, 2005 at 06:40 PM (#1767783)
That Tampa rumor is too stupid to be believed. Therefore, I don't believe it.
DB
   78. chris p Posted: December 08, 2005 at 06:40 PM (#1767787)
Nomar is a free agent.

nomar's days at shortstop appear to be numbered.
   79. Buster Olney the Lonely Posted: December 08, 2005 at 06:41 PM (#1767788)
Check it out. ESPN has a poll asking "What player would you most want your favorite team to acquire: Lugo, Marte or Renteria?"

They break down the poll by state. I'm digging the red-green holiday motif.
   80. Brian White Posted: December 08, 2005 at 06:42 PM (#1767796)
Worst. Trade. Ever.

</bitter Braves fan>
   81. 33Boots Posted: December 08, 2005 at 06:45 PM (#1767805)
The Sox should sign Graffanino to play shortstop. Hell, the Braves should have signed Graffanino to play shortstop.
   82. Rob Base Posted: December 08, 2005 at 06:46 PM (#1767808)
Which of those players is even nearly Marte's equivalent as a prospect, OFF? If the Mets did this trade, you would be screaming to the high heavens.


They did make this trade... how quickly we forget.


Nah, it's not Kazmir for Zambrano. More like Mora for Bordick. PWN3D.
   83. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: December 08, 2005 at 06:48 PM (#1767812)
The Braves are getting Renteria for 3/18, if Rosenthal is correct. For an ~average SS with star upside (see 2002), that's a great price in this market. The Braves got something valuable.

That said, I frickin' love this trade for the Red Sox. Marte is a better prospect than Hanley, and should be a very good player very soon. Wow.

I just wanted to say that I see this deal as the Braves overpaying for a valuable commodity (Renteria 3/18), not giving up a #1 prospect for nothing. And, of course, every prospect traded by the Braves comes with the history of prospects who failed after leaving the Braves system.

But goddam I love this trade.
   84. Gaylord Perry the Platypus (oi!) Posted: December 08, 2005 at 06:48 PM (#1767813)
Nah, it's not Kazmir for Zambrano. More like Mora for Bordick. PWN3D

Mora was never considered the level of prospect that Marte has been. This would be David Wright for Bordick. This week.
   85. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: December 08, 2005 at 06:48 PM (#1767816)
Check it out. ESPN has a poll asking "What player would you most want your favorite team to acquire: Lugo, Marte or Renteria?"

They break down the poll by state. I'm digging the red-green holiday motif.


I like the random states that like Lugo the best. He probably is better than Renteria, but he's not much of a 'name'...and...Oregon and Wyoming? Is Lugo from one of those states or something?
   86. Mister High Standards Posted: December 08, 2005 at 06:49 PM (#1767818)
Looks like the Sox are sending 11m bucks over. If thats the case I think its a pretty fair deal all the way around.

One thing the sox can trade is money.
   87. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: December 08, 2005 at 06:50 PM (#1767820)
If you ask A's fans, Danny Meyer is the best prospect ever.

Life was so much more pleasant just a few days ago when I could imagine you'd been bludgeoned to death by a neighbor who'd gotten tired of your act.
   88. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: December 08, 2005 at 06:50 PM (#1767821)
Oregon and Wyoming? Is Lugo from one of those states or something?

OK, it looks like that's mostly due to a small sample size, on closer inspection.
   89. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: December 08, 2005 at 06:50 PM (#1767823)
Extremely dark day for Braves fans. Personally, I feel sick. We just gave away an All Star thirdbaseman for an overpaid shortstop who on a good day is marginally better than the cheap guy we already had.

I guess being a Braves fan as been too good for too long. It really sucks today.
   90. Rob Base Posted: December 08, 2005 at 06:51 PM (#1767826)
He got the spouse-abuser vote.
   91. Danny Posted: December 08, 2005 at 06:51 PM (#1767827)
Do the Red Sox pay all of Renteria's signing bonus, or are the Braves paying what's left? Does the 3/$29 include the $3M buyout?
   92. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: December 08, 2005 at 06:52 PM (#1767832)
Oregon and Wyoming? Is Lugo from one of those states or something?

Sample size issues, especially if Dick Cheney hasn't yet made it home for Christmas with his entourage.
   93. rb's team is hopeful for the new year! Posted: December 08, 2005 at 06:54 PM (#1767839)
#### me.
   94. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: December 08, 2005 at 06:54 PM (#1767838)
just gave away an All Star thirdbaseman for an overpaid shortstop
If Rosenthal is correct, he's not overpaid. The Red Sox are sending along a pile of money, such that Renteria is actually significantly underpaid, as far as it matters for the Braves.

Danny - the $29M breaks down as 8, 9, 9, 3(buyout). Rosenthal implies the Red Sox are responsible for the entire ($4M) signing bonus.
   95. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: December 08, 2005 at 06:57 PM (#1767849)
Rosenthal's article:
The Braves, acting to replace Rafael Furcal at shortstop, have acquired shortstop Edgar Renteria from the Red Sox for Class AAA third baseman Andy Marte, FOXSports.com has confirmed.

The deal, first reported by ESPN, also includes a sizeable cash payment, believed to be about $11 million, from the Red Sox that will cover part of Renteria's remaining salary.

The cash in the deal would reduce the Braves commitment to Renteria over the next three years to approximately $6 million per season.
   96. Danny Posted: December 08, 2005 at 06:57 PM (#1767850)
That makes sense, MCoA. According to this, he get's $1M for being traded, too.

Also, for some reason I dislike that this thread takes me to Sox Therapy.
   97. Dizzypaco Posted: December 08, 2005 at 06:58 PM (#1767851)
I know we are all supposed to be talking about what a wonderful deal the Sox made, and I agree, but this could really hurt the Sox in the short term. Have people heard what the Sox are supposedly thinking about doing for shortstop? One report had Alex Gonzalez, Royce Clayton, or Pokey Reese.
   98. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: December 08, 2005 at 06:59 PM (#1767854)
Sample size issues

Beat you to it!
   99. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: December 08, 2005 at 07:00 PM (#1767865)
This should definitely quell the potential cries of "The Sox are ignoring the farm system again!" that were starting after the Beckett deal.

this could really hurt the Sox in the short term.

#### the short term!

They really should just give Pedroia the SS job. I think there's a decent chance he gives us as much production as Renteria did last year.
   100. chris p Posted: December 08, 2005 at 07:01 PM (#1767866)
there has only been one vote in wyoming and whoever it is (dick cheney?) thinks lugo is the best option.
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