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Thursday, August 22, 2019

Everything You Should Know About a Weird Day at Fenway

It could take four at-bats, it could take four hours. When it comes to the completion of the Red Sox’ suspended game with the Royals Thursday afternoon there is plenty of mystery…- There isn’t a single member of the Kansas City media who will be making the trip. The team’s television coverage will consist of a feed from NESN.

- There is no media access to the players or managers prior to the game.

- Fans can walk on the warning track between 11 a.m.-noon. Kids will be able to run the bases following the game. Kids under 18 years old will gain free entrance, with adults getting in with $5 general admission tickets. All proceeds will go to the Jimmy Fund.

Jose is Absurdly Unemployed Posted: August 22, 2019 at 09:27 AM | 27 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: red sox, royals, suspended games

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   1. Nasty Nate Posted: August 22, 2019 at 09:47 AM (#5873400)
Let's play 2 (innings)!
   2. villageidiom Posted: August 22, 2019 at 10:24 AM (#5873403)
The first three Red Sox hitters due up are Andrew Benintendi, Christian Vazquez and Mitch Moreland, who has raised his batting average 22 points since the game began.
Heh. I prefer "Rafael Devers has hit 9 doubles and 4 HR since the game began."
   3. JJ1986 Posted: August 22, 2019 at 10:38 AM (#5873405)
MLB.com has this at the bottom of their scoreboard with no start time listed.
   4. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: August 22, 2019 at 10:43 AM (#5873407)
TFA doesn't mention the inning or the score, which seem like useful pieces of information. (It's 4-4 in the top of the 10th.)
   5. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: August 22, 2019 at 10:45 AM (#5873408)
MLB Gameday is frozen in the middle of Meibrys Viloria's at bat, if you want to think very long and hard about the next pitch the Sox should throw him.

He's already shown that he won't swing at a pitch outside and ankle-level, or one around the height of his Adam's apple. Maybe one in the strike zone would work!
   6. villageidiom Posted: August 22, 2019 at 10:52 AM (#5873411)
If Viloria and O'Hearn get on base, I bet they pinch-hit for Hamilton. Hell, if Viloria and O'Hearn don't get on base, I bet they pinch-hit for Hamilton.
   7. Nasty Nate Posted: August 22, 2019 at 10:59 AM (#5873416)
Meibrys Viloria? Named after the Pixies song, I presume.
   8. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 22, 2019 at 10:59 AM (#5873417)
Gameday is frozen in the middle of Meibrys Viloria's at bat, if you want to think very long and hard about the next pitch the Sox should throw him.
Steve Trachsel nods approvingly.
   9. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: August 22, 2019 at 11:11 AM (#5873420)
What if the Sox had gotten Hamilton off of waivers? Could he have appeared for both teams in a single game?

(The obvious answer is that the umpires probably wouldn't allow it, because umpires are no fun.)
   10. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 22, 2019 at 11:14 AM (#5873423)
While Josh Taylor was the pitcher who started the at-bat, he doesn't have to be the Red Sox pitcher to open the affair


That is kinda interesting. He hasn't officially faced a hitter yet, but he can be pulled?
   11. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: August 22, 2019 at 11:14 AM (#5873424)
so its like a midweek AZ FL game.
   12. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 22, 2019 at 11:16 AM (#5873425)
Could he have appeared for both teams in a single game?


It has never happened, but according to SABR, it could happen.

Baseball's first theoretical instance was June 17, 1945 when the Brooklyn Dodgers played the Boston Braves and the game was suspended and finished August 4, 1945. Reserve Dodger Morrie Aderholt (second baseman and outfielder) did not play on either date. However, he was a Dodger until he was sold to the Boston Braves August 1, 1945. Thus, he had the possibility of playing for both teams, though he did not.

The next situation occurred June 17, 1951 in a game between the New York Giants and the Pittsburgh Pirates. The game was suspended and then finished on July 25, 1951. Reserve infielder Hank Schenz pinchran for the Pirates in the eighth inning. He was sold to the Giants on June 30, 1951, but did not play on the resumed date.

Three players had the chance to play for both teams during the April 27, 1952 Chicago White Sox–St. Louis Browns game that was suspended and then resumed July 3, 1952. On June 15, Leo Thomas and Tom Wright were traded by the Browns to the White Sox for Al Zarilla and Willie Miranda (Miranda was sold back to the Sox 13 days later). Thomas had played third base for the Browns on April 27; Cass Michaels replaced him when the game was resumed. However, Thomas did not play for the Sox on July 3. Wright and Zarilla did not play in either part of the game.

Chris Cannizzaro came close to performing this achievement. He was the starting catcher on May 16, 1971, in the first game of a San Diego Padres–Chicago Cubs doubleheader. Bob Barton, the regular Padres catcher caught the second game, which was suspended after six innings. Three days later, Cannizzaro was traded to the Cubs. On August 4, 1971 the game was completed, but Cannizzaro did not play. Ironically, he played in the schedule game that followed later that day.

Dave Hamilton also approached playing for two different clubs in the same game. The second game of a St. Louis Cardinals–Pittsburgh Pirates doubleheader on April 23, 1978 was suspended and resumed June 26, 1978. He pitched in the first game of the double header as a reliever (three scoreless innings). However, he was not used in the second game despite two other relievers being used. He was sold by the Cardinals to the Pirates May 28, 1978 and did not play in the resumed game. Like Cannizzaro, he did play in the regularly scheduled game that followed it that day.
   13. SoSH U at work Posted: August 22, 2019 at 11:59 AM (#5873442)
Thomas had played third base for the Browns on April 27; Cass Michaels replaced him when the game was resumed. However, Thomas did not play for the Sox on July 3.


The Sox really blew a golden opportunity there.
   14. SandyRiver Posted: August 22, 2019 at 12:14 PM (#5873446)
Would've been funner if Viloria had gotten on base just before the rains came, Taylor got traded to the Royals, then Viloria scores in the make-up and Taylor comes in for a 1-2-3 inning, thus recording a loss and a save in the same game.
   15. Perry Posted: August 22, 2019 at 12:30 PM (#5873452)
It has never happened, but according to SABR, it could happen.


There was such a scenario in one of those old "So You Think You Know Baseball?" rules stumpers books I read as a kid. Apparently it not only can happen, but it did happen in a minor league game once, I believe in the 1950s. The kicker was that it was a pitcher, and he was both the winning and losing pitcher!
   16. Howie Menckel Posted: August 22, 2019 at 12:39 PM (#5873455)
In a 1978-79 NBA game, Eric Money scored 23 points for the Nets and 4 points for the 76ers.
Harvey Catchings had 8 points for the Nets but was scoreless in 2 minutes for the 76ers.
Ralph Simpson didn't score for the Nets in 2 minutes but had 8 points for the 76ers.

a game finish was replayed months later because of officiating error re multiple technical fouls, and the teams made a trade of these guys in the interim.
   17. Jose is Absurdly Unemployed Posted: August 22, 2019 at 12:50 PM (#5873461)
What if the Sox had gotten Hamilton off of waivers? Could he have appeared for both teams in a single game?


I don't see why not. The rule is that the teams are playing with whatever their 25 man roster is today.

My question is about suspensions. How do they work? Let's say Matt Barnes had served the first two games of a three game suspension on Tuesday and Wednesday. Would he be eligible for today's game or would this count as the third game of the suspension?

Here's another one. Let's say Andrew Cashner had pitched for the Orioles the day of the game starting and been removed. He then gets traded* to the Sox. Is he eligible to pitch today or is he deemed to have already pitched since he pitched in a game the day this was played?

* I know the trade was before the game was played but just for the thought exercise.
   18. SoSH U at work Posted: August 22, 2019 at 12:57 PM (#5873470)
Here's another one. Let's say Andrew Cashner had pitched for the Orioles the day of the game starting and been removed. He then gets traded* to the Sox. Is he eligible to pitch today or is he deemed to have already pitched since he pitched in a game the day this was played?


It would appear these guys become entirely new players when they change teams. So appearing in the game, or in another game that day, would not matter if it happened for a different franchise.

   19. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 22, 2019 at 01:19 PM (#5873484)
Game over. Six hitters, 13 minutes, Red Sox win it in the bottom of the 10th on a Brock Holt single.
   20. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 22, 2019 at 01:20 PM (#5873485)
Catcher Nick Dini appeared as a pinch-hitter today. This game started one day before his MLB debut, so today he officially made his MLB debut, two weeks after he got his first MLB hit.
   21. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 22, 2019 at 01:21 PM (#5873487)
Is he eligible to pitch today or is he deemed to have already pitched since he pitched in a game the day this was played?


In that SABR link there are a few examples of players who played for two teams on the same day, it just has never been two opposing teams.
   22. Jose is Absurdly Unemployed Posted: August 22, 2019 at 01:24 PM (#5873489)
Wow Sox play a ten inning game but it feels like it took only five minutes,


Barry Bonds got his first mlb hit and RBI in similar circumstances.
   23. Davo Posted: August 22, 2019 at 01:28 PM (#5873495)
I saw Chris Owings entered as a pinch-runner for the Red Sox in the 10th, and I got all excited because I knew he had started the year with the Royals, but...sadly, he was already long gone from KC.
   24. SoSH U at work Posted: August 22, 2019 at 01:31 PM (#5873497)
In that SABR link there are a few examples of players who played for two teams on the same day, it just has never been two opposing teams.


Joel Youngblood got hits for two teams in the same day in different cities. And there was no suspended game scenario involved. He had a hit in a day game for the Mets at Wrigley, got traded to the Expos, then flew to Philly where he got a hit in the night game for Montreal. Oh, and his hits were off Fergie Jenkins and Lefty.

   25. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 22, 2019 at 01:41 PM (#5873501)

I saw Chris Owings entered as a pinch-runner for the Red Sox in the 10th, and I got all excited because I knew he had started the year with the Royals, but...sadly, he was already long gone from KC.


But he continues to do what he has done all season - help the Royals lose.
   26. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: August 22, 2019 at 02:32 PM (#5873512)
12 minutes.
   27. SandyRiver Posted: August 22, 2019 at 03:58 PM (#5873553)
Another fun phenomenon, one that doesn't require trades, is pitchers splitting a doubleheader - might never happen again considering the rarity of twin bills. In "The Long Season" there's an account of one in late May, Sportsman's Park. Cubs won the opener 10-9 with Elmer Singleton getting the win and Lindy McDaniel taking the loss. Cards came back to win #2 by 8-7, with the same 2 pitchers getting the decisions. Probably not super rare back when teams played 10-15 doubleheaders a season, but I doubt many had each team scoring the same number of runs.

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