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1. AROM Posted: February 22, 2013 at 10:22 AM (#4373818)I know it's inflation and that baseball inflation has been way higher than the CPI ever since free agency started, but that still blows my mind. It wasn't that long ago that Rickey was still playing, and his career earnings are on the level of Angel Pagan's next contract.
During Rickey's first few years, Carl Yastrzemski was still active. Yaz made 1.9 million during the years bb-ref has contract data. Filling in the missing years and assume he made similar money to the years surrounding them, I can guess about 200K for 1976 and 1978, and 400K per year for 1980-1983, for a grand total of 4 million. The going rate for 1 year of middle relief.
I was at the Ritz-Carlton in Pasadena in the summer of 2003, when Ricky was playing for the Dodgers. While I was out front waiting for my car, a Dodger-blue Escalade rolls up, all tricked out in chrome. Out bounces Rickey, clad from head-to-toe in Dodger blue, including a blue forearm cast. The valet opens the passenger door to reveal a tall, beautiful woman, dressed in a white linen pants suit with a Dodger-blue belt and accessories. Two cute little kids then tumble out of the backseat, likewise outfitted in the colors of the home team.
I love that the dude apparently felt such affinity for a team that gave him less than 1% of his career ABs, and I like to think that the used-car lots and thrift shops of Oakland, New York, Anaheim, Seattle, Toronto, Boston, and San Diego contain appropriately colored versions of Rickey's duds and rides.
Thank you. That's a nice story (as is #5). I think that Rickey is my all-time favorite player who never played for a team that I rooted for.
And - the man loved bananas...one weekend series on Long Island, we went through 25 pounds of them, and I never saw anyone else eating them but Rickey.
I love that Rickey's being looked back on with such fondness now. During his playing days — and especially around his I'm-the-greatest-of-all-time speech — the media was incredibly unfair to him. He was a black kid who grew up in the heart of Oakland and he talked like it, and the predominantly older white sports media took that to mean he was stupid. They would put him next Nolan Ryan and his 5000th K on the same day and say how much better a person Ryan was than Rickey because Ryan gave the "Aww, shucks" speech that you're supposed to give. Ryan worked hard, Rickey was "naturally gifted." Ryan never missed a start, Rickey was always dinged up. Ryan's clothes were understated, Rickey loved nice threads. Ryan wanted to be the first million/per player, but it was Henderson was got criticized for selfish holdouts. And, oh yes, Ryan was white and Rickey was black.
I ####### love me some Rickey. I never get tired of reading about Rickey.
Me three. I'm in my mid-forties, & Rickey was a player I loved unreservedly, no matter what team he played for.
@16 is another reason to hate Goose Gossage.
You spell Rickey! with an e before the y.
To be fair, Rickey did say some stupid things early in his career that gave credence to the thought he was selfish and thinking only about himself. He didn't help with the "today I am the greatest of all-time" speech when he broke the SB record. At the time, he was perceived as being an arrogant airhead, and I think rightly so. But we look back now and he's a colorful character, and I think rightly so. The game needs arrogant airheads.
Probably my most joyous baseball moment ever as a young kid growing up in Oakland was when he was traded back to the team in 1989. His previous A's years were before my time period, so I knew he had been an A but it seemed like a crazy dream. When they got him back, and then that 1989 postseason to follow when he was possibly the single most destructive force ever, was amazing.
I think his HOF induction speech also helped his image a lot.
Oh geezus, I wasn't ready for that. Brought tears to my eyes, I'm a f'n marshmallow where little kids are concerned.
if it was not for the one 'his' and one 'he', I would have assumed this was a direct quote from Rickey.
I saw Rickey once when he was with the Newark Bears. He wasn't in the starting lineup the day we were there - it was a day game after a night game - but during the game, he went out to the makeshift batting cage behind the centerield fence to take a little extra BP in case he was called upon to pinch-hit.
Think about that: a 44-year-old future Hall of Famer playing in the minor leagues, and he still wants to go get some extra work in.
Joe Posnanski of the Kansas City Star and Sports Illustrated wrote:
"I’m about to give you one of my all-time favorite statistics: Rickey Henderson walked 796 times in his career LEADING OFF AN INNING. Think about this again. There would be nothing, absolutely nothing, a pitcher would want to avoid more than walking Rickey Henderson to lead off an inning. And yet he walked SEVEN HUNDRED NINETY SIX times to lead off an inning.
He walked more times just leading off in an inning than Lou Brock, Roberto Clemente, Luis Aparicio, Ernie Banks, Kirby Puckett, Ryne Sandberg and more than 50 other Hall of Famers walked in their entire careers...I simply cannot imagine a baseball statistic more staggering."[93]
The Man loved to play! I was lucky enough to catch him in an independent league in San Diego. He played for the Surf Dawgs in 2005, at 46!
And yet Erin States named her kid ...
... Ryan.
*sigh*
(Judging from Google, her married name appears to be Hoy. Surely she could've at least named the boy "Dummy.")
True, but my Dad (who is now 84), was certainly of the older generation, and he loved Rickey Henderson. He's an Athletics fan, but Rickey was always his favorite player, whether he was playing for Oakland or not.
Yeah! 'Cause, as we all know, cute little offhand jokes about disabled people are a freaking riot!
I never would have guessed the he was named after Ricky Nelson, but it's apparently true.
If the Braves signed Rickey as an OF for either Rome or Gwinnett, I'd buy season tickets that day.
But when he murders *your* wife and kids...
1)Rickey was the first player that I was able to call a HOF career on. Most guys, yeah, they're good, and then you wake up one day and they have 3000 hits or 500 HRs or whatever and you, go, yeah, I guess this guy's a HOFer. But Rickey - in 1980 at only age 21 - he batted over .300, walked 100 times, stole 100 bases, and I absolutely knew without a doubt that Lou Brock's records were going down and that I was watching a future Hall of Famer. I eagerly anticipated watching his whole career unfold knowing that I was watching this movie from the beginning and not coming into it somewhere in the middle.
2)Rickey made it possible for things to happen that just don't normally happen on a baseball field. In 1985, for example, the Yankees had a textbook lineup structure - Rickey leading off, Willie Randolph (good eye, good bat control, bunter, etc.) batting second, Mattingly third, Winfield cleanup. But Rickey was so good at leading off an inning by getting on, and then getting himself into scoring position without the need for a sacrifice bunt or hit-and-run type play - that there were times that season where Billy Martin just eliminated the need for a "number two" type hitter - why give up an out when you don't need to - and moved Mattingly into the #2 spot with Winfield batting third. Small wonder that Mattingly drove in 145 runs that season and Rickey scored 146 - two great offensive performers in their absolute primes.
3)There are 4 players in ML history with over 2000 walks. Three of them - Ruth, Williams, Bonds - may have had very good batting eyes which accounted for part of it - but pitchers were also terrified of them and often intentionally walked them or did the "unintentional" intentional walk where the pitcher just refused to throw anything over the plate. On the other hand, nobody ever really intentionally walked Rickey. The last place a pitcher wanted to see him was on base. So Rickey's 2000 walks really had to be earned without Rickey getting any free help from the pitchers.
Yeah! 'Cause, as we all know, cute little offhand jokes about disabled people are a freaking riot!
I was going to make a "Chipsa" joke, but then I thought about the role of snack foods in America's obesity problem, especially among children (our most precious national resource), and the strain it's putting on our troubled health care system, and I felt ashamed and did some volunteer work for orphaned pot-bellied pigs with dyslexia.
As someone with a sister who has Down syndrome*, I've certainly always thought so.
*but even so appears to be about 100 times as intelligent as you, not that that's much of an achievement ...
Mattingly drove in Henderson 56 times in 1985. That is a ridiculous total. I haven't exactly made an exhaustive search, but I've only found one larger number in recent history (excepting a player driving himself in, of course) - and I bet nobody can guess what it is.
Albert Belle - Kenny Lofton? Looking it up, nope.
I found another combination that's also very close (55 in a season), and even fewer people will guess it than would guess the winner (which has 58, by the way).
Really wasn't ready to tear up right now.
Peaked at 33 in '03. Somehow only managed 24 in '01, when Boone drove in 141 and Ichiro won the MVP.
Juan Gonzalez/Rusty Greer?
38 in 1998, and no higher. Gonzalez also drove in Puge Rodriguez 37 times in '96.
Bichette slips into the 30s a couple of times, peaking when driving in Larry Walker 38 times in '97; never with Young.
Rickey... Canseco?
Also no.
It's a bit of a pain - B-R has a breakdown of who a player drove in for a single season at the top of his Game Log page for that season. Sadly, there's no equivalent breakdown the other direction, so you have to look up the RBI man.
Herr-Coleman is a good guess, but also incorrect. Herr's teammate RBIs in 1985 were split quite nicely between Coleman and McGee, with 35 each.
Probably. The data are incomplete when you go back that far. Williams drove in Dom Dimaggio at least 52 times in 1948, though.
B Barton 6, E Spiezio 2, G Jestadt 1, A Bravo 1, D Campbell 1
Nope.
I think it's hard to put up an unbelievable figure in this category when playing for a really good offense. You'd think Rollins-Howard would do really well, for instance, but there were too many times when Utley had already driven in Rollins before Howard got there. (Utley-Rollins and Howard-Utley also do all right, but none of them got as high as 40.)
Which one? (It's quite possible it's not the same one I've got; my manual searching method is far from comprehensive.)
37 in '06, no higher. Cabrera drove in Austin Jackson roughly that many times this year as well.
I just found that one too. His second-most-driven-in teammate was 13 runs.
deleted in case anyone else wants to guess.
Indeed. Damon led the league in runs; Sweeney finished second in RBI by one. Over half of Sweeney's teammate RBI were of Damon.
Edit: I wouldn't worry about it, 75. There's still the combination of 55 and 54 remaining unguessed if people want to keep going.
Mattingly-Henderson beats that, although not by too much - 56 in '85, 41 in '86.
No to both. Delgado did OK with Shawn Green in '99, and Preston Wilson drove in Helton a bunch in 2003, but I don't think either broke 40.
She posted a bunch of pics from over the years on her blog. Pretty amazing.
Helton and...someone? Or Galarraga and Bichette?
This possibility occurred to me as well. A plurality of Tejada's 150 RBI in 2004 actually went to Brian Roberts, with a healthy-but-not-historic 38.
Helton and...someone? Or Galarraga and Bichette?
No Rockies, at least not that I found. I think the late '90s teams had too many RBI guys for a specific one of them to drive in another specific a high percentage of the time.
Wouldn't the winner have to be Gehrig driving in Ruth?
Maybe, at least for career total (although the records don't go back that far). But the highest single-season numbers I've found have all involved run scorers who didn't drive themselves in nearly as often as Ruth did.
-- MWE
Yup. That's the 54 I found as well.
Dawson had 113 RBI that year: 54 of Raines, 32 of himself, and 27 of all other Expos combined.
Did they have a .474 OBA?
Although, in that regard, he was more impressive in that part of the '20s before Gehrig.
Ruth: 118, 110, 109, 104, 103, 101
Earle Combs: 134, 131, 122, 116, 115, 114, 111, 105
It wouldn't surprise me at all to see the top figures for either Ruth-Combs or Gehrig-Combs exceed the top figure for Gehrig-Ruth.
The trouble was that whoever hit after him (a) wasn't very good, and (b) wasn't always the same person. Overall, no 2004 Giant (including Bonds, for obvious reasons) drove in as many as 70 teammates.
55: Paul Molitor driving in Chuck Knoblauch, 1996
49: Gary Sheffield driving in Rafael Furcal, 2003
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