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Friday, June 29, 2012

Fangraphs: Jose Bautista’s Strange Season

Stats are slightly old now, but I thought the general point was worth highlighting.

At a ridiculously low .201, [Jose] Bautista has not had much success turning balls in play into hits… while a .381 wOBA is fine for anyone to hang his head on, Bautista has actually been held back this season.

It seems strange for someone to produce so effectively with such a low BABIP, which got me thinking: has anyone ever finished a season with a wOBA as strong as Bautista’s current .381 mark with as extremely suppressed a batting average on balls in play?

After perusing the historical records, it seems that Bautista could potentially finish the season in some rare company. Among players with at least 400 plate appearances in a season since 1900, there are only five batters with a .380+ wOBA and a .225- BABIP:

Roger Maris (1961): .424 wOBA, .209 BABIP
Ralph Kiner (1952): .409 wOBA, .221 BABIP
Roy Cullenbine (1947): .391 wOBA, .206 BABIP
Norm Cash (1962): .389 wOBA, .215 BABIP
Andy Pafko (1951): .381 wOBA, .222 BABIP

... One season that came close, but ultimately missed the cut, was Bautista’s 2010 campaign. Two years ago, he hit .260/.378/.617, with a .422 wOBA and a .233 BABIP. He bopped 54 home runs and had 56 singles.

Players have produced at an all-star level like this with substandard BABIP rates, but it’s incredibly rare throughout baseball history.

Similarly interesting is that Bautista entered this past weekend with a .197 BABIP. It wasn’t just low, it was below .200, which seems even rarer. Throughout history, only seven players with 400+ PA from 1900-now have finished a season with a sub-.200 BABIP. The highest wOBA was Gus Triandos‘s .336 back in 1959.

The District Attorney Posted: June 29, 2012 at 02:48 PM | 23 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: blue jays, jose bautista, sabermetrics

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   1. Eric P. Posted: June 29, 2012 at 03:18 PM (#4169667)
He has 24 hits this month; 14 of them are home runs.
   2. FrankM Posted: June 29, 2012 at 04:05 PM (#4169696)
Is this using that stupid method where home runs are excluded from BABIP for hitters. Makes no sense at all and is useless.
   3. Ray (RDP) Posted: June 29, 2012 at 04:11 PM (#4169701)
I look for him in my nightly scan of the box scores. I love the hitter he's become -- adding the walks and power -- and with a little more luck he could be that much better.
   4. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: June 29, 2012 at 04:12 PM (#4169704)
i enjoy bautista but remain surprised that he and konerko don't take more completely without basis guff from writers who think the worst.

i am glad. but surprised
   5. formerly dp Posted: June 29, 2012 at 04:20 PM (#4169710)
he and konerko don't take more completely without basis guff from writers who think the worst.

Someone who follows the team more closely can better comment on the details, but there's been a lot of accusations hurled at Bautista. I remember an interview where he responded to some of them. Seems to have died down in the past year or so, thankfully. He and EE are both having great seasons-- Encaracion's slash line is a bit better, but I expect by the end of the season, Bautista will come out pretty far ahead. They've got 48 HRs between them.
   6. RJ in TO Posted: June 29, 2012 at 04:23 PM (#4169714)
i enjoy bautista but remain surprised that he and konerko don't take more completely without basis guff from writers who think the worst.


Over the last couple years, there have been a lot of "I'm not saying he's taking steroids, I'm just asking questions" articles about Bautista. He's taken a fair amount of guff from writers.
   7. RJ in TO Posted: June 29, 2012 at 04:25 PM (#4169717)
I look for him in my nightly scan of the box scores. I love the hitter he's become -- adding the walks and power -- and with a little more luck he could be that much better.


It's been very entertaining to follow. For the last month or so, it seems like every game of his has been 1 for 3 or 1 for 4 with a homer and a walk.
   8. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: June 29, 2012 at 04:26 PM (#4169719)
rj

i was not counting that doofus toronto writer, griffin i think? i thought he was the only one to toss it out there

but if there are others then i am corrected

thanks
   9. RJ in TO Posted: June 29, 2012 at 04:32 PM (#4169725)
Harv, there haven't been a ton, but there's been a decent assortment. I don't remember Griffin specifically mentioning it, but Damien Cox did, and was thoroughly ripped for it.

With that being said, Bautista certainly hasn't faced a ludicrous number of accusations and, as formerly dp notes, the frequency of these accusations have died down over the last year or so.

As for Konerko, I honestly can't remember an article accusing him of use, or even implying the possibility of use.
   10. Papa Squid Posted: June 29, 2012 at 04:39 PM (#4169732)
IIRC, Griffin and Cox had a mini-spat over Cox's "hey, you gotta ask the question" BS with Griffin accusing Dave Andreychuk of juicing in 1993, using the same rationale...
   11. Kiko Sakata Posted: June 29, 2012 at 04:40 PM (#4169733)
As for Konerko, I honestly can't remember an article accusing him of use, or even implying the possibility of use.


Paul Konerko is held in unbelievably high esteem by the Chicago media. I'm having trouble thinking of anybody whose reputation even approaches Paulie's here. I think Konerko also benefits from a view of the White Sox as being a particularly clean team that dates back to Frank Thomas being an early vocal critic of steroids and rumors that the White Sox tried to refuse to take steroid tests en masse in 2003 to ensure there were enough failed tests (refusing to take the test counted as a failed test) to trigger penalties the next year.
   12. TDF, situational idiot Posted: June 29, 2012 at 04:42 PM (#4169734)
while a .381 wOBA is fine for anyone to hang his head on
I wouldn't hang my head on it (that would hurt), but I would hang my hat on it.
   13. Papa Squid Posted: June 29, 2012 at 04:47 PM (#4169737)
BTW, J-Boww has been ridiculous this month. You could see that 3-run HR coming last night, as well as the HR he hit off Axford last week. What a pleasure to watch the past three years. It's too bad it's for another .500-ish team (if that, given our pitching woes).
   14. KJOK Posted: June 29, 2012 at 05:56 PM (#4169775)
Is this using that stupid method where home runs are excluded from BABIP for hitters. Makes no sense at all and is useless.


Right - it makes some sense as a way to evaluate defense, and a little less for pitchers, but it should be removed from the toolset for evaluating hitters.

   15. John DiFool2 Posted: June 29, 2012 at 06:28 PM (#4169790)
Adam Dunn seems to be in the same boat, tho I don't know if he meets the (arbitrary) wOBA cutoff.
   16. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: June 29, 2012 at 06:34 PM (#4169793)
J-Boww has been ridiculous


We've secretly replaced Rogers Centre with Jersey Shore. Let's see if Ryan Jones can tell the difference...

   17. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: June 29, 2012 at 06:43 PM (#4169798)
Right - it makes some sense as a way to evaluate defense, and a little less for pitchers, but it should be removed from the toolset for evaluating hitters.

Why? I've always found it quite valuable myself. Indeed I've found that separating out the individual components of a batting from one another to be quite valuable.

BB/AB+BB
SO/AB
HR/AB-SO
H-HR/AB-SO-HR
2B+3B/H-HR
3B/2B+3B

Always has worked quite well for me, and I believe Tango does something quite similar for the Marcels. By keeping the stats independent from another, you're able to a bit more with the numbers than you otherwise could.
   18. Ron J Posted: June 29, 2012 at 11:28 PM (#4169918)
One of the things that's really odd about Bautista's season is his platoon splits.

vs RHP .249/.371/.605
vs LHP .205/.310/.397

Yeah I know, single year platoon splits carry basically no signal (never mind splits before the AS break). Voros' Law works both ways.

But to me it brings to mind Frank Thomas' first poorish season. He went from having numbers against LHP that Babe Ruth in his prime wouldn't have complained about to .226/.327/.365. In other words, the bulk of his decline was against LHP for no obvious reason.
   19. Ron J Posted: June 29, 2012 at 11:32 PM (#4169922)
#2 (and others) I prefer to use Bill James' terminology (batting average when not striking out). I like to use both BAWNSO and BABIP. The BABIP helps me spot guys who are probably hitting in bad luck.
   20. Ray (RDP) Posted: June 29, 2012 at 11:46 PM (#4169929)
Ron, have you seen Napoli's splits this year?

.159/.280/.348 vs LHP
.281/.376/.507 vs RHP

This from a guy who has typically mashed lefties and hasn't hit righties as well throughout his career. The big surprise last year was that he had hit righties exceptionally well. That's continued somewhat, but his season has been a little down because his numbers against lefties have sucked.
   21. Kiko Sakata Posted: June 29, 2012 at 11:55 PM (#4169934)
The BABIP helps me spot guys who are probably hitting in bad luck.


But at the extreme, by removing home runs, sometimes a low BABIP can actually be because of GOOD luck. Look at Maris's 1961, for example, which is listed in the excerpt. In 1961, his BAWNSO was .304 but his BABIP was only .212. In 1962, his BAWNSO was very similar, .295, but his BABIP jumped up to .246. But this wasn't because he was LUCKIER in 1962; it's because 28 balls that were home runs in 1961 turned into 18 doubles and 10 fly outs in 1962.

Similarly, one reason why Jose Bautista's (and Adam Dunn's) BABIP are so low is because so many of the balls they hit leave the field of play. (EDIT: Joey Bautista's BABIP through 2009, .281; Bautista's BABIP since 2010, .253. He hasn't been "hitting in bad luck" since 2010; he's been hitting more balls out of the ballpark than he used to)
   22. Ron J Posted: June 30, 2012 at 12:42 AM (#4169960)
#21 I explained my position poorly. I'm not advocating looking at BABIP in isolation. It's just one more thing to look at. And should be compared to the player's norm as opposed to league norms since there's plenty of reason to think that BABIP is a batting skill. As is BAWNSO and HR/FB and K rate and BB rate.

And yes, there's plenty of year to year fluctuation in all of these, and true talent level is probably both unknown (to any kind of precision that is) and changes over time.
   23. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: June 30, 2012 at 04:04 AM (#4169974)
However BABIP is much less consistent from year to year than something like HR/AB-SO and hence the reason why I've found value in separating them. For hitters walks, home runs, strikeouts and stolen bases are all pretty consistent, and the rest is not.

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