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1. Roy Hobbs of WIFFLE Ball Posted: September 23, 2007 at 06:02 AM (#2538378)Mascots are for children and I don't think you need to mix giant cartoon characters with adult themes. Miller Park is a heckuva fun time the way it is right now.
Mascots are for children and I don't think you need to mix giant cartoon characters with adult themes. Miller Park is a heckuva fun time the way it is right now.
Do you ever drink around your daughter? Is she ever in places where people are drinking? I don't see the big deal here. Bernie Brewer is clearly an adult. Alcohol is for adults, not for children. Many things are like that, and for generations, that was an accepted way to talk to your children about them. My parents did it to me. Why we should change things just because some parents (I'm not saying you're one of them) all of a sudden don't want to have to do this is beyond me.
That person quoted in the intro apparently wouldn't be, and they have a point.
Yes, but Bernie Brewer is there mainly for children, not adults.
Things change, maybe someone realized that teaching small children that alcohol=fun isn't the best policy.
Or maybe somebody realized that Americans tend to be a litigious group and do you really need a Joe Camel lawsuit? Or maybe a little bit of both.
I'm sure if the Brewers had made the playoffs this year and had a beer slide for their cartoon character it would have gotten national media attention and te MADD people would have come out in force over it.
We must think of the children even if it leads to silly decisions! The team name is Brewers, they play in a ball park named for a beer company. This is akin to not drinking (responsibly) in front of children or changing the channel anytime a beer commercial is on TV. None of that will help kids deal with their own alcohol-related issues when the time comes.
I've never seen a mascot get marketed, really. Can I buy Mr. Met gear? Will the Seattle moose come to my birthday? I guess you can buy shirts with a cartoon Bevo on it, but those are for everyone, not just kids.
Teams do it. Some have a game which is the "Mascot's Birthday" and then there are various public appearances the mascot makes, and some teams have plush toys of their mascot (the Phillie Phanatic immediately comes to mind). It's not a major marketing tool, but it's in the toolbox.
Alcohol is for adults, but Bernie Brewer is primarily for children. I know adults enjoy him; I certainly do. Listen, I'm not some fuddy-duddy. I remember years ago thinking it was lame they got rid of the beer mug. But when your child has a Bernie doll and a picture of her with Bernie that sits on the nightstand next to her bed you think about the issue differently. Bernie isn't far removed from Big Bird or Chuck E. Cheese to her. She's four.
And Mascots are obviously marketed to kids. There are Bernie dolls and sausage dolls at every souvenir stand and the gift shop. My daughter has an 11-piece Bernie Brewer jigsaw puzzle for cryin' out loud.
I figured someone would say this. Look, I'm not saying Bernie sliding into a mug of beer will turn our kids into alcoholics. I'm saying it is an irresponsible message to send kids. And it clearly is that, whether you like it or not.
I remember in my junior high cross country practice runs we would pass a Shell gas station. Well some of the runners out front went into the gas station and bought a pack of those candy cigarettes and rolled them up in their T-shirt sleeves and put a cig in their mouths. I think the coach just about had a heart attack when the rest of us met up with them.
I was just going to ask if they still made them, I can't believe those still get made.
Kids aren't fragile delicate little flowers for crying out loud.
Of course...
So instead of saturday morning cartoons the big four should be broadcasting Showgirls, Basic Instinct, Hard Bodies, and 9 1/2 weeks?
I don't think ANYONE of ANY AGE should be subjected to a television lineup of THAT crapitude.
For an additional fee, sure...
Nice strawman.
So what is this?
And you say nice strawman to my post.
Who is arguing that kids should be protected from the very sight of alcohol?
Big League Chew I believe was specifically created to try and combat the use of chewing tobacco by players and therefore kids emulating big leaguers. Or at least that is what creator Jim Bouton claims.
Everyone wins. The end :P
Weddings? Friday night fish fries?
Why I'd like to get married in front of that big plastic mug.
And fish fries? Forget about it, at times I think that is the only reason they have religion around here. So they go out on friday and eat cheap fried forms of unknown fish.
So, 10-11 years old, I come home to find my dad drinking a beer. Normally he didn't drink, but he was finishing off a case my uncle had left in the house. Waste not, want not, you know. So I ask my dad, "Hey, can I try some of that?" My father, never one to hide anything from us kids, said, "Sure, go ahead!" and pushed his can of Pabst Blue Ribbon over to me. With great anticipation, I took a drink...
Twenty years and countless social occasions later, I still don't like beer.
Just a warning. It tastes neither like a chocolate malt nor butterscotch of any stripe.
If a kid wants beer, turn it into a lesson, not a ban. Tell the kid about what beer is made of and how it's made and the science of fermentation. Tell the kid how it was an important part of human history because we did not always have the know-how to make water safe to drink. I do not have kids, but I've always been thankful that my parents and grandparents raised me in this manner - making growing up more about learning about things, many times unpleasant things, instead of being shielded from them.
Twenty years and countless social occasions later, I still don't like beer.
OK, now giving PBR to a kid should be considered child abuse.
Distribution of PBR in general should be outlawed. That said, if you want your child to stay away from beer, a sip or two of PBR will do the trick. Thanks to that, I can barely tolerate the finest Belgian beers.
You were a very hip 10 year-old. I'm guessing you discovered the Pixies before I did.
You do realize that saying you don't want a cartoon character that is marketed toward kids to be playing around with beer is different then saying you don't want the very sight of alcohol anywhere present?
Do you want Mickey Mouse to do commercials for Marlboro on saturday morning? Does saying no to that mean you don't want cigarettes to be seen by kids period?
Wonder how my girlfriend would feel about that...not that either one of us are Mariner fans, or live anywhere near the Pacific Northwest, mind you, but I'm just curious how'd she react...
Calls to mind that prank from a week ago: a giant mute moose in a baseball uniform shows up at the home of a non-fan in the midwest...
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