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Saturday, April 20, 2013

FCC Has No Issue With David Ortiz’s Pregame Speech, Says He “Spoke From the Heart”

Even Grandpa Al Lewis is in shock.

David Ortiz encapsulated all of the emotion and passion that was present in Saturday’s pregame ceremonies at Fenway Park when he took to the microphone.

In Ortiz’s first game back, he thanked the city and law enforcement, and also dropped the f-bomb stating, “This is our [expletive] city.” Red Sox nation didn’t seem to have a problem with the sentiment, and neither did the Federal Communications Commission.

Julius Genachowski, the chairman of the FCC, tweeted from the certified FCC Twitter account that they, “stand with Big Papi and the people of Boston.”

Repoz Posted: April 20, 2013 at 06:33 PM | 171 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Knock on any Iorg Posted: April 20, 2013 at 06:50 PM (#4420698)
So if I call up WEEI sports talk and say "F-CK THE RED SOX!" it will be OK because I'm speaking from my heart? Stand with me FCC!
   2. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: April 20, 2013 at 06:58 PM (#4420702)
@1 - Just. Not. Funny. At. All.

Awesome to see Papi back in the line-up and delivering such a heart felt speech after such an horrific week for Boston and all of America.
   3. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: April 20, 2013 at 07:03 PM (#4420706)
What a stupid thing to say. But he said #######, so you know its tough. USA. USA.
   4. Knock on any Iorg Posted: April 20, 2013 at 07:21 PM (#4420718)
Relax. This isn't about Boston or Big Papi or any of that. This is about the FCC which is the biggest bunch of political hacks and lawyers that could be assembled in one place. This is purely a political decision to make themselves look like good guys who are doing something positive when they actually didn't have a thing to do with any of this. You should feel ashamed by them acting like groupies to the team. #### the FCC.
   5. madvillain Posted: April 20, 2013 at 07:23 PM (#4420720)
What a farce this whole thing is. Who is the high placed executive at the FCC that gets to decide these things? I really want to know. If tonight, on the news Brian Williams or some other talking head goes, \"#### Terrorism, amirite!" Will they go ahead and waive the fines then too?

It's absurd that we have a nanny like the FCC that gets to enforce wily nily what can and can't be seen and aired on public television. If you have a rule, you follow the damn rule and don't make exceptions, that's like the 1st rule of having rules.

edit: I like how you think #4.

edit:
after such an horrific week for Boston and all of America.


Really, for all of America? Boston I might give you, but as a non Bostonite, it's been a pretty normal week for me, and everyone I know. Real horror is Nazi Germany or most-surge Iraq or being a woman trying to get an education in Afhganistan. American's have seen true horror once, on 9/11. Other than that, spare me the hyberbole. This was a local crime, a horrific one at that, but a local crime nonetheless.
   6. cardsfanboy Posted: April 20, 2013 at 07:26 PM (#4420723)
I'm in agreement with the FCC..it's great to see that they look at things as more than black and white(god I ####### hate lawyers...evil bastards that they are, thinking everything has to be defined etc.) There are grays to every situation..and there is nothing wrong with subjective judgements that are made without bribes or an agenda.
   7. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: April 20, 2013 at 07:31 PM (#4420727)
Oh for ##### sake. They were asked for a comment about it and they said that they didn't care.

And go #### yourself cardsfanboy, I don't know what happened in your life that you hate lawyers so much, but you sound like one of those deranged Men's Rights Activists who are upset that they don't get to see their kids because they beat the #### out of them and their mother.
   8. zenbitz Posted: April 20, 2013 at 07:35 PM (#4420733)
Can't... Decide... What is... More ...stupid.

1) the whole concept of the FCC

2) The FCC going over its own head

3) the quote.
   9. cardsfanboy Posted: April 20, 2013 at 07:42 PM (#4420736)
And go #### yourself cardsfanboy, I don't know what happened in your life that you hate lawyers so much, but you sound like one of those deranged Men's Rights Activists who are upset that they don't get to see their kids because they beat the #### out of them and their mother.


Individual lawyers are fine. The profession as a whole is corrupt and thoroughly evil. Just like people...I like a person just fine, but hate crowds/people. Not everything has to fit into a nice 'defined' definition. Just like pornography, oftentimes you know it when you see it.

If the FCC wants to make a gray determination that goes contrary to the written rules, then that is perfectly acceptable if they make the exception for the right reasons. Not everything fits in a nice neat box.


   10. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: April 20, 2013 at 07:42 PM (#4420737)
Hey MadVillain - Pretty normal week for you? If I ever have an opportunity to stop someone from beating your a$$ I think I'll just pitch in. The most effed up Anti-American stupid ##### comment possible. It should have been you standing on that block. Effing punk.
   11. madvillain Posted: April 20, 2013 at 07:59 PM (#4420745)
Yez, keep it classy. I've been derailing threads lately, sorry guys.

Anyways, back to the FCC, #### the FCC!
   12. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: April 20, 2013 at 08:02 PM (#4420748)
You want to talk to me about class? "Been a normal week for you and everyone you know?" Then everyone you know is a soulless wise ass punk like you.

   13. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: April 20, 2013 at 08:05 PM (#4420751)
Did I stumble into a youtube comment thread or something? jeepers.
   14. Pingu Posted: April 20, 2013 at 08:23 PM (#4420769)
I'd sink it lower, but since I cant physically strangle madvillian through the internet, whats the point. If he doesnt think this week was horrific for all americans, I posit that he doesnt deserve the title.
   15. SoSH U at work Posted: April 20, 2013 at 08:50 PM (#4420792)
I'd sink it lower, but since I cant physically strangle madvillian through the internet, whats the point. If he doesnt think this week was horrific for all americans, I posit that he doesnt deserve the title.


His title is madvillian, so it seems he's just doing his best to live up to it.

   16. Depressoteric feels Royally blue these days Posted: April 20, 2013 at 08:58 PM (#4420797)
Did IQs just suddenly drop sharply the minute people started posting in this thread?
   17. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: April 20, 2013 at 09:04 PM (#4420801)
Apparently. Myself included.
   18. Sonic Youk Posted: April 20, 2013 at 09:08 PM (#4420806)
Wow, these are some pretty weird reactions. This was a giant pep rally for a city that is really into sports. I'm supposed to be mad because the FCC was cool for once? Sounds like a good thing.
   19. Darren Posted: April 20, 2013 at 09:25 PM (#4420824)
You're "supposed" to be mad because the FCC gets to arbitrarily enforce ridiculous speech limitations. This is the same organization that will let any manor of disgusting violence be broadcast during prime time on network TV, as long as no one is undressed (showing their body!!!) or saying bad words. No matter what you think of what Ortiz said, this was a ridiculous result.
   20. Srul Itza Posted: April 20, 2013 at 09:57 PM (#4420846)
1. Although I am a Yankee Fan, and I have certain suspicions about him, nonetheless I really like Big Papi because he is the kind of larger than life character, both in his history of clutch hits, and his persona, that makes the game better. He reminds me of El Tiante in that way.

2. That being said, given the efforts baseball makes as a family friendly venue, I really think he might have reached for a different phraseology to convey his sentiments. Not that it is really a big thing, since Fuck is my all purpose noun/adjective/adverb/expletive. Still, it is a powerful, strongly emotive word, as noted in the famous case of Cohen v. California (the "Fuck the Draft" Jacket case.

3. I wrote my Case Comment in Law School on F.C.C. vs. Pacifica Foundation, the George Carlin "7 Dirty Words" Case. The F.C.C. has been going back and forth on free speech issues since forever -- Fairness Doctrine; Indecency; Fleeting Expletive standard, and so on. The original justification for regulation of the airways was "spectrum scarcity." With 50 basic cable channels, 200 digital channels, satellite TV, and the infinite internet, I don't know what their excuse is now. Time for them to hang up their spurs.

4. The idea that this has not been a horrific week for the US is offensive. I remember RossCW making similarly stupid comments after 9/11. On that day, everyone was a New Yorker. On Patriots Day, everyone was a Bostonian, even those who had never been there. As an MIT Grad, I have fond memories of the town, and even of Campus Patrol (who saved my bacon twice, including when I inexplicably found myself in Malden after midnight following a Starship concert). Imua Boston!
   21. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: April 20, 2013 at 09:58 PM (#4420849)
Really, for all of America? Boston I might give you, but as a non Bostonite, it's been a pretty normal week for me, and everyone I know. Real horror is Nazi Germany or most-surge Iraq or being a woman trying to get an education in Afhganistan. American's have seen true horror once, on 9/11. Other than that, spare me the hyberbole. This was a local crime, a horrific one at that, but a local crime nonetheless.


I presume that this sentiment is being written for shock value, and/or to play the role of contrarian. Or your definition of a "horrific" event is extremely high - you mention 9/11 and the Nazis, for example, which would be right at the top of any list of horrible events.

I am not a good person to determine if the opinion expressed above is typical. I am from New Hampshire, lived in Boston for a while, have a ton of friends in Boston, participated in Patriots Day several times, have many friends who run the Boston Marathon (including this year), etc. One of my best friends has a wife who is on the board of directors of the charter school where the eight-year-old boy who was killed, Martin Richard, attended. I am also friends with a woman whose good friend is Jeff Bauman, the guy who had both of his legs instantly blown off by the bomb (picture of him being saved), had his life saved by the good samaritan with the cowboy hat, and then (when he awoke from surgery) asked for a pencil and paper because he knew exactly who left the backpack by his feet a few minutes earlier.

I'm not from Atlanta, but the 1996 bombing was a big deal in New England. The DC Sniper was a big deal here, too. This could've happened anywhere, and it's meant to be an attack on our country's way of life.

For those of you who live relatively far from Boston, how big is/was this story in your community? Is my relative closeness to the situation causing me to misunderstand how other Americans are seeing this attack?
   22. Tom Nawrocki Posted: April 20, 2013 at 10:03 PM (#4420853)
I live in Colorado, and Boston is pretty much all anyone has been talking about. I have a friend who ran the marathon this year (she finished well before the bombing, and as my wife said, thank God for speed), but a lot of people around the country do.
   23. Srul Itza Posted: April 20, 2013 at 10:07 PM (#4420860)
For those of you who live relatively far from Boston, how big is/was this story in your community? Is my relative closeness to the situation causing me to misunderstand how other Americans are seeing this attack?


It was very big for the papers out here. Banner headlines every time something important happened, major time on local news. They "personalized" it with interviews with people with Hawaii ties who were going to school out there or lived in the area.

For the every day person, harder to say. You don't get much more isolated and insulated than being way out here, minimum 4 hours, by jet, from ANYWHERE. It was not the sole topic of conversation, like after 9/11, but people were following it closely. More shock than anger, I think.
   24. Pingu Posted: April 20, 2013 at 10:16 PM (#4420867)
Really, for all of America? Boston I might give you, but as a non Bostonite, it's been a pretty normal week for me, and everyone I know. Real horror is Nazi Germany or most-surge Iraq or being a woman trying to get an education in Afhganistan. American's have seen true horror once, on 9/11. Other than that, spare me the hyberbole. This was a local crime, a horrific one at that, but a local crime nonetheless.


madvillan, this comment ought to tag you wherever you go.

The mere fact that its been a pretty normal week for you amidst all that has happened ought to clue you into the reason it has. You have been afforded a great deal of privelege by your good fortune. By way of nothing but the sheer dumb luck of being born in your place, you have been afforded a "pretty normal week" when both those you alude to in your comment and those you belittle with your comment toil and weep and hope for better. That is why you ought to feel horror. This ought to give you a chance to thank the good fortune of your life and maybe to thank those who continue to provide you with that good fortune. Because with an attitude like you have shown, I can say with confidence that you havent done a damn thing yourself to those ends.
   25. depletion Posted: April 20, 2013 at 10:28 PM (#4420873)
Since we're on the topic: The FBI was told by the Russian FSB (similar agency) that they should watch Tamarlan since he appear to have been radicalized during a trip to Dagestan in 2010. The FBI interviewed him, monitored his internet activity and concluded he wasn't a problem. Since they knew that the 9/11 people were also up to no good before the event, I have a question. Does anyone at the FBI ever get fired? I know no one at DHS ever gets fired because I have seen managers at DHS perform at an off-the-charts level of incompetency and get PROMOTED. Please google CAARS and DNDO. That guy got a promotion after burning about 500M with no results.
   26. Dale Sams Posted: April 20, 2013 at 10:29 PM (#4420874)
Really, for all of America? Boston I might give you, but as a non Bostonite, it's been a pretty normal week for me, and everyone I know. Real horror is Nazi Germany or most-surge Iraq or being a woman trying to get an education in Afhganistan. American's have seen true horror once, on 9/11. Other than that, spare me the hyberbole. This was a local crime, a horrific one at that, but a local crime nonetheless.


If you're trying to express the sentiment that there are tons of countries who could easily say, "Hey! Welcome to *my* world! Every day!"...you could use a little more tact.
   27. Random Transaction Generator Posted: April 20, 2013 at 10:41 PM (#4420880)
One of my best friends has a wife who is on the board of directors of the charter school ...

I am also friends with a woman whose good friend is ...


Not to make light of the situation in Boston, but your connections immediately reminded me of the movie "Ferris Bueller's Day Off":

My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night.

For those of you who live relatively far from Boston, how big is/was this story in your community? Is my relative closeness to the situation causing me to misunderstand how other Americans are seeing this attack?


Canadian here...the attack (and visuals) were the lead story on the Canadian news on the day of the attack, although almost all of it was talking to Canadians that were near by or in the race. It didn't get to the top of the news charts again until everything went crazy on Friday. In between, it was the #3 or #4 story behind Canadian news and the Texas explosion.

   28. escabeche Posted: April 20, 2013 at 10:53 PM (#4420884)
For those of you who live relatively far from Boston, how big is/was this story in your community?


I live in Wisconsin, and spent part of the week in Atlanta, and I only heard one person mention it all week. But my Facebook and Twitter feeds were at least 1/3 composed of Boston-related stuff; this might be related to the fact that I lived in Boston for eight years and still have a lot of friends there.

When I was in the airport, it seemed to me that people were actually watching CNN on the overhead screens instead of trying to ignore it as usual.
   29. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: April 20, 2013 at 10:56 PM (#4420886)
For those of you who live relatively far from Boston, how big is/was this story in your community? Is my relative closeness to the situation causing me to misunderstand how other Americans are seeing this attack?

Here in Chicago we've had massive flooding, so while the bombing is big news, we've had our own local big news to report on.

My impression is while the bombing is certainly viewed as a terrorist attack, it's not really being viewed as an "Attack on America" like 9/11.

Not to belittle anyone else's feelings, but my week's been basically "normal". I went to work each day, took the kids to the activities, etc. Nobody really talked about it at work. I only caught up on the investigation from reading the paper. I certainly didn't rush to the TV regularly to see if there were any updates.
   30. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: April 20, 2013 at 10:58 PM (#4420887)
   31. The Yankee Clapper Posted: April 20, 2013 at 10:59 PM (#4420888)
In between, it was the #3 or #4 story behind Canadian news and the Texas explosion.

Is there an election coming up there? Hadn't heard anything, but there were political ads on the Totonto broadcast that was picked up by Extra Innings today.
   32. cardsfanboy Posted: April 20, 2013 at 11:00 PM (#4420889)
For those of you who live relatively far from Boston, how big is/was this story in your community? Is my relative closeness to the situation causing me to misunderstand how other Americans are seeing this attack?


Front page major news. I had to work at 4am on the day the first guy was shot, and my ride to work talked about it. Several people later in the day talked about it. I would argue that it was probably top three conversation topic no matter what personality of people you were dealing.

My facebook page blew up about it of course(I have friends in probably 20+ different states) ....Mind you I have one friend who probably gets along great with Madvillain who put out a pretty inflammatory piece about how the liberal media was ignoring Texas because they aren't on the coast. (he's messed up in the head combo heavy drugs-Tuleo or paint thinner, not kidding-- as a kid, and PTSD--the army accepts anyone--)
   33. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: April 20, 2013 at 11:02 PM (#4420891)
Yeah, I'd imagine it's been a vastly bigger story for me since I live/work in Boston. It has definitely not been a normal week, though this hasn't been the first time that the subway's been shut down when I need to get somewhere. This time there weren't shuttle buses, though. But I'm pretty sure that for my parents, who live 90 minutes to the west, it's been a fairly normal week, though the Boston news was probably front and center for them.
   34. escabeche Posted: April 20, 2013 at 11:02 PM (#4420893)
Let me emphasize that I'm sure it was on the front page of the paper and leading the nightly news here in Wisconsin too! But I spend most of my day around people who don't read the paper or watch the news.

   35. Walt Davis Posted: April 20, 2013 at 11:15 PM (#4420901)
Obama: taking away your guns but giving you your F-bombs.
   36. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: April 20, 2013 at 11:16 PM (#4420902)
The only way to stop a bad guy with an f-bomb is a good guy with an f-bomb.
   37. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: April 20, 2013 at 11:20 PM (#4420903)
I've been on a beach (mostly) in Hilton Head the past 8 days and perpetually 12-18 hours behind the news cycle as I'm making sand castles all day, and other assorted pool activities with my girls. I'd pick up my phone for MLB At Bat radio broadcasts (greatest app of all time) and other than out to eat for dinner, it is not that big of a topic. Pretty easy to check out of the world here.* I golfed Mon, Tue and Wed and it was never mentioned (Monday understandable, none of us knew), and Tue and Wed I was paired with Canadians. If I pick up my phone for text/email and browsing, it's in my face at every turn.

*I recall a family member of mine didn't know about 9/11 for four days. He was in backcountry WY.
   38. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: April 20, 2013 at 11:21 PM (#4420904)
For those of you who live relatively far from Boston, how big is/was this story in your community?

Chicago. Dominating story. Bannered on the Trib for most of the week, IIRC. And it was indeed an awful week.
   39. chemdoc Posted: April 20, 2013 at 11:30 PM (#4420905)
It's odd that the author chose to use the phrase "f-bomb" under the circumstances...
   40. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: April 20, 2013 at 11:43 PM (#4420910)
"Really, for all of America? Boston I might give you, but as a non Bostonite, it's been a pretty normal week for me, and everyone I know."

I just can't get over the sheer arrogance, heartlessness and idiocy of this comment.

And for you Greg Pope - "My impression is while the bombing is certainly viewed as a terrorist attack, it's not really being viewed as an "Attack on America" like 9/11."

Where the hell did you get that impression, in the cave you must work in?

Un-effing-real. The terrorists did not know the strangers they blew apart in cold blood on Patriots Day at the end of a nationally known and widely broadcast Marathon.

So who was it an attack on??
   41. Brian Posted: April 20, 2013 at 11:49 PM (#4420911)
I'm a little late but please allow me to throw another #### you Madvillian on the pile. Good god, what an as$hole.
   42. Mayor Blomberg Posted: April 20, 2013 at 11:50 PM (#4420912)
Wasn't active on my FB feed. West, Texas, was probably bigger in Houston. Its effect on my life was that I followed the story. Then again, I don't particularly like the way these stories get mobilized in the press, even 9/11, and I still consider myself a NYer.
   43. Random Transaction Generator Posted: April 20, 2013 at 11:54 PM (#4420914)
Is there an election coming up there? Hadn't heard anything, but there were political ads on the Totonto broadcast that was picked up by Extra Innings today.


The Liberal* party of Canada elected a new leader last weekend. He (Justin Trudeau) is the son of Canada's most famous/charismatic Prime Minister (Pierre Trudeau). The currently ruling party (Conservatives) knew he was going to win the nomination well in advance, and started digging through his past television appearances as a young adult, and have been selectively editing his words and making him look bad.

There is no planned election any time soon (the last one was May 2011, so they can wait until May 2016 to do it again).

The Conservatives are firing early volleys now because they are afraid his name/charisma combo will begin to pull in a lot more young voters, so they want to start the mudslinging as soon as possible.

*Note: The Liberal party is Canada's oldest surviving political party, and had been the ruling party or official opposition ever since Canada's beginning...until the most recent election. It dropped to #3, and almost all of it was blamed on the milquetoast leader at the time.
   44. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: April 20, 2013 at 11:57 PM (#4420915)
Chicago. Dominating story. Bannered on the Trib for most of the week, IIRC.

True. But I didn't hear people discussing it non-stop. My kids (junior high and high school) didn't come home from school talking about it or asking questions. The flooding, on the other hand, was discussed a lot. Probably because just about everybody knows someone personally affected by it.

I'm not sure how to distinguish between something that is on the news and in the paper all the time and something that is talked about by everyone. This is clearly the former, but I think that YMMV on the latter. This strikes me as kind of like the movie theater shooting in Denver. Horrible, horrible thing perpetrated by an individual (obviously 2 in this case).

   45. KronicFatigue Posted: April 20, 2013 at 11:59 PM (#4420916)
I was both over and under whelmed by the extent of the coverage. I didn't watch any network, CNN, etc coverage, but I could still get the sense that it was being covered non stop. Twitter became a wall of Boston posts to the point where it ceased being useful for anything. But coworkers rarely brought it up. Sure, you'd hear an occasional shout out of "they arrested someone. no wait, they didn't" but it's just something I would have expected more discussion on. I feel like Michael Jackson's death got more water cooler discussion.
   46. greenback calls it soccer Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:14 AM (#4420919)
My takeaway from the national news this week is to figure out whether there are any fertilizer plants nearby. They had a tragedy in Boston, followed by the plot of an action movie, but for me the Boston Marathon goes into the pile with Virginia Tech, Columbine, Aurora, Olympic Park and the Safeway where Giffords was shot. The fact that this month's depraved individuals were born in Kyrgyzstan doesn't really change that. Maybe I'd feel differently if Newtown hadn't just happened.
   47. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:14 AM (#4420920)
It was a pretty big deal here -- people discussing it in bars -- but not on the scale of 9/11, surely. There's no sense that everything is different now the way there was after that one. But it was on the front page of the paper several days this week and all over the radio, multiple updates every day. I'm reluctant to try to "rank" it on the scale of big news (Katrina, Presidential elections, etc), because that's dumb. There have been expressions of empathy and so on. But -- I think because of the nature of the bad guys, to some degree -- it just feels different. There's a sense that it was two crazy loners, and whatever their motivations, there's nobody to go to war on or some remaining supervillain out there to be hunted down.

ETA: Here is Minneapolis.
   48. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:24 AM (#4420921)
True. But I didn't hear people discussing it non-stop. My kids (junior high and high school) didn't come home from school talking about it or asking questions. The flooding, on the other hand, was discussed a lot. Probably because just about everybody knows someone personally affected by it.

Well, I'm often on Twitter, where it was huge, so that could be skewing my perceptions on some level.
   49. Ray (RDP) Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:31 AM (#4420923)
The story was huge in NY, obviously.

Ortiz's comments were predictably silly, made moreso by his unnecessary use of the swear word.

   50. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:37 AM (#4420925)
I don't mean to be legalistic and pedantic here, but what leg could the FCC possibly stand on if they wanted to make a big deal out of this? Was it on broadcast TV, or just cable? If it was just on cable, they don't have jurisdiction, right? Or am I missing something really obvious?
   51. Dan Evensen Posted: April 21, 2013 at 01:16 AM (#4420932)
I was on a work related trip in Dalian, China from Wednesday to Friday (Beijing time). It's amazing how quickly news developed between Wednesday afternoon and when I finally got back to the Western media world. I didn't bring a computer with me, and my hotel had a very poor selection of western channels (though, happily, better quality Chinese channels than we get in our apartment).

The news wasn't a huge 24 hour story in the Chinese media. If you were watching CNN or BBC World, though, there's absolutely no way you could have missed the enormity of it all. I've got no Boston connections at all, but was still glued to my television set all of Saturday morning, hoping for a resolution. It really made for great television.

I read an article not long ago in a conservative newspaper about the FCC hoping to ease its restrictions on over-the-air vulgarity and occasional nudity ("wardrobe malfunction" style), which would cover Ortiz' comments here. I don't see anything wrong with it, honestly. And, yes, the FCC getting involved is absolutely a political statement -- a political statement taken by an increasingly obsolete government agency in hopes of making itself relevant again.

Posts #4, 6 and 9 are extremely odd. The domestic terrorist attack at a popular sporting event in a major city was not such a big deal? The legal profession in general is "evil?" Honestly, some of you need to get off your computers and do something else with your free time for a change. Message boards have clearly altered your ability to think.
   52. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: April 21, 2013 at 01:30 AM (#4420933)
The terrorists did not know the strangers they blew apart in cold blood on Patriots Day at the end of a nationally known and widely broadcast Marathon.


At what point are "terrorists" in fact "pathetic, albeit murderous, mentally ill scumbags who happened to desperately latch on to a cause"?

I bring this up in part so as not to give these cretins more power than we have to. Is everyone who sets off a bomb while shouting 'Freedom for _______' in fact a terrorist?
   53. Johnny Chimpo Posted: April 21, 2013 at 01:43 AM (#4420936)
Where I live (none of your business), it was talked about, but was not anywhere near the focus of conversation. And I find the idea that saying so is offensive to be, well, offensive. It was a fairly shitty week for me, but that was entirely unrelated to Boston.
   54. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: April 21, 2013 at 01:45 AM (#4420937)
I was really surprised at how few people in Seattle were talking about the bombing this past week. Of course, I was obsessed with it, having lived in Cambridge for years and having run the marathon a few times, so maybe my perspective was off. It was almost all I thought about this past week, though. Thank god for baseball to take my mind off it.
   55. Depressoteric feels Royally blue these days Posted: April 21, 2013 at 01:45 AM (#4420938)
Is everyone who sets off a bomb while shouting 'Freedom for _______' in fact a terrorist?
Yes.

It's really that simple. There's no caviling about the answer, no 'escape hatch.' Indiscriminate mass murder committed under the inspiration of, or in service to, a political/religious agenda is by definition terrorism. There are no exceptions. You don't get to say "oh wait this one doesn't count" merely because the perps in the case may (MAY -- jury's still out here) have been purely 'self-radicalized' and acting on their own. So what? To pick but one example, would you argue that Baruch Goldstein is less deserving of the epithet "terrorist" than Carlos the Jackal or Mohammed Atta, merely because he acted alone? Of course not. It's the motivation that matters. Not even the body count; while the body count affects how much of an impact it has on the national consciousness, it has no bearing on whether it's properly classifiable as "terrorism" or not.

To be blunt, it's not really YOUR decision how much or how little 'power' to give these people. YOU don't have any say in the matter, regardless of what you do or do not do. Instead, that is governed by factors such as the terrorist's method of attack, choice of venue, and level of "success" (i.e. death and injury). An unpleasant reality, but a reality nonetheless.

Sorry to come off sounding hard-hearted, but the whole "Let's not give these people the power they crave!" trip really strikes me as a rather vain conceit.
   56. McCoy Posted: April 21, 2013 at 02:10 AM (#4420940)
Hotel in DC. It was on the TV all week but the travelers, customers, and employees didn't really give a ####. Obviously it was big news the day of and so forth but Boston simply didn't have the legs in my neck of the woods You can say FU to whomever you want but it really is true that it was business as usual the next day for huge parts of the country.
   57. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: April 21, 2013 at 02:12 AM (#4420941)
@55: one of the oddest rants I've ever come across, on this or any other site. Would you claiming you're a polemicist make you one?

In any case, if Charles Manson describes himself as x, are we obliged to accept that definition? Of course not. If a number of sources who are empowered by increasing the perception of a terrorist threat claim that so-and-so are terrorists, are we obliged to accept the definitions given by those sources? Of course not.

It's a much more interesting point that you seem to want it to be. Two idiots with IEDs don't cause me to be automatically inclined to think that we just saw a revival of 'terrorist' activity in the United States. Nor do I want to overhaul immigration policies because of this. If this episode pinpoints a real problem with, say, the way immigration applications are reviewed, that's one thing, but it strikes me that it's much more likely we're looking at mental illness than we are terrorism. (Not that the two are always readily distinguishable.)

Your most obscure point was "To be blunt, it's not really YOUR decision how much or how little 'power' to give these people."

To whom should I surrender this decision-making and definitional power? You? The Department of Homeland Security? Obama? The Boston Globe? The United States Senate?
   58. madvillain Posted: April 21, 2013 at 02:20 AM (#4420943)
Indiscriminate mass murder committed under the inspiration of, or in service to, a political/religious agenda is by definition terrorism.


Yea, once you determine how to define "mass murder" it's easy. Like, pre-emptive war, now is that "mass murder"? Would drone attacks be "mass murder"? Would the "school of americas" be a fountainhead of suchly defined "terror"?

These are tough issues that should be debated in public, instead we get black sites and drones and zero congressional oversite because we've got bigger fish to fry, like the budget.

I'm not one of those "things are worse now than ever!" people, because things have always been ###### up and ####, but in 20 years (hopefully) this period in US foreign policy is looked back at with disgust, much like the 80's "interventions" in Latin America.

You can say FU to whomever you want but it really is true that it was business as usual the next day for huge parts of the country.


yup. It's a big, large population country that lives through a small media focused prism. I'm thankful I don't have cable during times like this.

   59. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: April 21, 2013 at 02:44 AM (#4420944)
This thread really has made people stupid.
   60. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: April 21, 2013 at 03:22 AM (#4420950)
For those of you who live relatively far from Boston, how big is/was this story in your community? Is my relative closeness to the situation causing me to misunderstand how other Americans are seeing this attack?

They had a tragedy in Boston, followed by the plot of an action movie, but for me the Boston Marathon goes into the pile with Virginia Tech, Columbine, Aurora, Olympic Park and the Safeway where Giffords was shot.

Pretty much the case here. It goes in the pile with the rest of them. Newtown hit me harder to be honest.

Edit: And the comparisons to 9/11 are insane. That was an organized attack on America. This was two idiot brothers with pressure cookers.
   61. Greg K Posted: April 21, 2013 at 03:33 AM (#4420951)
*I recall a family member of mine didn't know about 9/11 for four days. He was in backcountry WY.

Sort of like this Russian family not hearing about World War Two until 1978.
   62. Greg K Posted: April 21, 2013 at 03:35 AM (#4420952)
Just to add to the international survey...Boston was a subject of conversation all this week in the UK. I don't know about the media (the last time I watched/read the news was probably some time in 2012...I get all my news of the day from BTF OP threads!).
   63. AuntBea Posted: April 21, 2013 at 04:58 AM (#4420956)
Sort of like this Russian family not hearing about World War Two until 1978.


That is a fascinating story. Highly recommended.
   64. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: April 21, 2013 at 05:21 AM (#4420957)
Boston was a subject of conversation all this week in the UK. I don't know about the media

It was the top story on the BBC when the bombings occurred, and then again from the MIT/Watertown violence through the capture and its aftermath. Obviously it wasn't the same saturation coverage of "we are getting unverified reports that a sunrise is expected... now on our line is a person who saw the sun yesterday."
   65. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: April 21, 2013 at 06:13 AM (#4420960)
This thread really has made people stupid.

They have always been stupid. This thread merely gave them an opportunity to show it.
   66. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: April 21, 2013 at 07:06 AM (#4420962)
This has got to be one of the weirder "controversies" ever, but I guess The Virgin Ear is evidently a very important icon.

The only way to stop a bad guy with an f-bomb is a good guy with an f-bomb.

Rosie Perez for Secretary of War!
   67. Howie Menckel Posted: April 21, 2013 at 08:08 AM (#4420967)
In NJ/NJ, you saw a lot of 'Belushi eyebrows' form this week whenever some guy on TV seemed to equate the magnitude of the Boston tragedy to 9-11.

No one quite says anything, though. As this thread shows, emotions overwhelm everything else.


On another note, the weirdest thing for my nephew at Northeastern during lockdown was that for the first time in four years, he could hear the birds chirping outside his dorm. loudly.

   68. Barnaby Jones Posted: April 21, 2013 at 08:33 AM (#4420972)
No one in Thailand cares. The only person who has even mentioned anything was an Aussie expat who asked if it was the North Koreans. I only was aware of the story because of Facebook.

I think madvillain was fairly tactless, but I find a bit odd how vitriolic people have been in response. I've never understood the urge to invest oneself in a tragedy that has no real impact on one's life. Obviously, this affects many Americans, but there are many more who it really doesn't. I find the whole thing very sad, and I know people who were running in the race (and I was relieved to learn of their safety), but in essentially every way my life is unaffected. This is not my tragedy. It didn't happen to me anymore than the violence against teachers who get killed by separatists in southern Thailand happened to me. And that's as true as it would have been when I was living in Atlanta.

Anyway, that's how I feel at least. I'm not saying that people are feel different are wrong. I hope this doesn't compel people to threaten me over the Internet.
   69. Arbitol Dijaler Posted: April 21, 2013 at 09:23 AM (#4420979)
Loads of ignorance on this thread about how the FCC operates, what their standards are, and why. Srul Itza seems to be the only one ever to have read an FCC release. Doesn't stop the rest of you from having opinions though.

   70. Pingu Posted: April 21, 2013 at 09:30 AM (#4420983)
See, Barnaby Jones (amongst others in this thread) has a measured reaction that is understandable. Why should anyone in Thailand care? Most people separated by geography or situation would react rationally but with at least some level of compassion like that.

The problem with madvillan, and why its not odd that people would be offended by his statement, is he responded to:

Awesome to see Papi back in the line-up and delivering such a heart felt speech after such an horrific week for Boston and all of America.


with:

spare me the hyberbole.


And basically suggested that Yaz wasnt entitled to label it a horror because ONLY 4 people were murdered and ONLY hundreds injured and oh no, two heavily armed terrorists were still at large.

He then later in the thread calls out esoteric for his apparent lampooning of the word mass murder, when he did exactly the same thing with the word "horrific".

People have every right to say dumb things, I do all the time. But two is a pattern, and to not recognize your insensitivity is the hallmark of a privelege not earned and an utter lack of empathy. Its all too common when not speaking face to face in a setting such as this.

   71. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: April 21, 2013 at 10:24 AM (#4421004)
McCoy - "You can say FU to whomever you want but it really is true that it was business as usual the next day for huge parts of the country."

Eff U. Heartless, stupid ass.

You fools ought to stick to statistics. And I love how MadVillain waited for another idiot to back him up before making another idiotic sentiment.

   72. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: April 21, 2013 at 10:33 AM (#4421006)
Live and work in NY. Have lots of Boston ties. The story was huge on my twitter/FB feeds, but it didn't come up in day to day interactions nearly as much as even Kevin Ware's breaking his leg did. Definitely not on the Newtown level. And the Texas fertilizer thing was practically ignored.
   73. BDC Posted: April 21, 2013 at 10:41 AM (#4421014)
For those of you who live relatively far from Boston, how big is/was this story in your community?

The West explosion chased the Marathon bombing from the front pages in DFW for a few days. Pictures of the destruction there are astonishing. I think the balance of coverage was fair enough, given that we're only a hour's drive from West; Boston still got a lot of coverage. On the scale of horrific weeks, it only amplifies the horror.

The Ft Worth paper interviewed a runner from Austin who finished the Marathon around the time of the bombing. He survived unhurt, flew to DFW, and was driving back to Austin down I-35 and saw the West explosion from the road. My God.
   74. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: April 21, 2013 at 10:53 AM (#4421023)
Eff U. Heartless, stupid ass.


I realize you're upset, but you're also being ridiculous.
   75. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: April 21, 2013 at 11:08 AM (#4421034)
The Ft Worth paper interviewed a runner from Austin who finished the Marathon around the time of the bombing. He survived unhurt, flew to DFW, and was driving back to Austin down I-35 and saw the West explosion from the road. My God.


The Onion's story on the uniquely terrible week we just had - with a diverse set of terrible events - doesn't even hightlight that there are probably a small number of people who had some direct exposure to more than one of these terrible events. In a lot of weeks, the gun-related votes in the Senate would've dominated the news. The earthquake in China is a big deal, too. And obviously the magnitude of the destruction in Texas is enormous.

I know the old saying is that bad things happen in threes...I didn't know they meant multiples of three...
   76. McCoy Posted: April 21, 2013 at 11:26 AM (#4421041)
I realize you're upset, but you're also being ridiculous.

you think?
   77. McCoy Posted: April 21, 2013 at 11:31 AM (#4421044)
So far the three events that have happened in my life that I considered major at the time were Columbine, Stewart Payne's plane crashing, and 9/11. Everything else was just news about distant areas and strangers.

Oh, and I guess the OJ verdict.
   78. SoSH U at work Posted: April 21, 2013 at 11:43 AM (#4421051)
Stewart Payne's plane crashing


You considered Payne Stewart's plane crash a bigger story than Oklahoma City?

   79. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: April 21, 2013 at 11:52 AM (#4421056)
So far the three events that have happened in my life that I considered major at the time were Columbine, Stewart Payne's plane crashing, and 9/11. Everything else was just news about distant areas and strangers


Berlin Wall coming down? Soviet Union breaking up?
   80. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: April 21, 2013 at 11:52 AM (#4421057)
Durham NC - it was water cooler talk here.

I think getting into a #### swinging contest about which tragedies were worse than others is not a particularly productive exercise, but part of the reason this drew comparatively a lot of attention was its at times cartoonish details (that drew comparisons to Batman and Michael Bay movies). It did not draw the same type of reaction as, say, Newtown, which actively made lots of people upset in a more visceral way - this was more soap opera-y (I note this without trying to minimize that there were multiple deaths, loads of serious injuries, and hundreds of millions of dollars in lost economic activity from a horror show intensely shared by millions ... albeit primarily shared on an, ahem, local level).
Saying that this was (just) two deranged people with pressure cookers (as opposed to an organized attack) minimizes what New Englanders experienced but that minimization doesn't make it necessarily untrue.

No one talked about West or any other news stories.

I didn't find out about the Berlin Wall until a few days later, myself. Busy, busy time... uh, writing history papers.
   81. BFFB Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:00 PM (#4421060)
For those of you who live relatively far from Boston, how big is/was this story in your community? Is my relative closeness to the situation causing me to misunderstand how other Americans are seeing this attack?


Last week in my office in the UK it got a brief passing mention. Everybody said the empty platitudes that are always said when such things happen about it being tragic then moved on. Ultimately it was no more relevant to us than the latest suicide bombing in Iraq. The explosion in Texas was actually a bigger topic of conversation because it was more directly relevant to us (not least because there is a giant fertilizer plant about half a mile from the office).

From a purely outside perspective statements like "a tragedy for all of America" give off a really ####### creepy nationalist vibe.
   82. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:06 PM (#4421061)
Something like the 1975 LaGuardia Christmas pipe bombing (11 dead, 75 injured) was far worse. Modern communications tools and the descent into relentless victimhood that has overtaken the culture only makes this seem worse.

Newtown was way worse. The symbol of a 20 year old armed with the weapons of war and using them to shoot as many 6-year-olds as he can is a marker of deep cultural sickness. Nothing like that was present here, awful as this event was.
   83. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:10 PM (#4421064)
This dominated the news, but thats just a mix of the evolution of the media, the "exciting" nature of the crime (GRENADES!), and the attractiveness of the victims (young! fit! white! they count as much as like 3 black people, easy!). This crime was about as American as Mike's and Modern.
   84. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:15 PM (#4421068)
Conversely, what was the interest level here with the Breivik killing of 77 in Norway last year?
   85. Mayor Blomberg Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:22 PM (#4421070)
You considered Payne Stewart's plane crash a bigger story than Oklahoma City?

Age related?

Saying that this was (just) two deranged people with pressure cookers (as opposed to an organized attack) minimizes what New Englanders experienced but that minimization doesn't make it necessarily untrue.

And depending on how much one invested in various theories of who was behind it, the attack was more or less momentous. Yet the same people who assure us that you can't stop gun violence believe that they can stop this sort of violence by umm regulating possession of pressure cookers or whatever.
   86. SoSH U at work Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:23 PM (#4421072)
You considered Payne Stewart's plane crash a bigger story than Oklahoma City?


Age related?

He also included the O.J. verdict, which was only five months after OKC.

   87. Mayor Blomberg Posted: April 21, 2013 at 12:24 PM (#4421074)
Brevik Killing? Well, lots of outrage in the press about what the Mooslims did in Norway.

Then, not so much. Just a lone wolf, after all (for the most part; a fringe from the above grouping held on to the idea that he was a canary in the coal mine of religious wars).
   88. Srul Itza At Home Posted: April 21, 2013 at 01:36 PM (#4421161)
So far the three events that have happened in my life that I considered major at the time


God, you've lived an easy, sheltered life.

Between assassinations, wars, the end of communism, major terrorist attacks, and so on, I don't know where I would begin or end the list. The only reason the Boston Marathon isn't higher on the list is that there are so many of them

9/11
JFK shot
Bobby shot
Martin shot
Munich Olympics
6 Day War
Yom Kippur War
OKC
Berlin Wall down
Vietnam ends
Dessert Storm begins

God, I can't keep typing. Time to watch a game.
   89. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: April 21, 2013 at 02:15 PM (#4421216)

It was a pretty big deal for me here in New York, although I don't want to overstate it. I went to college in Boston; my wife lived there for 8 years, and we have a ton of friends and family who still live there. I had one friend running the race who I was following online; he was scheduled to finish around 4:16 (bombs went off at 4:10-4:11 in race time). Heard about an hour after the bombing that both he and his family (who were watching a few miles before the finish) were ok, but we were worried for a while. It was hard not to be glued to the t.v./Internet/Facebook on Monday and Tuesday, and then again on Friday as this was all playing out.

As a runner myself, it was also a pretty big deal. I ran a short race in Central Park this morning where they had all sorts of extra security measures in place (more cops, no bags allowed except for clear plastic ones, no trash cans on the race course, etc.). I didn't see it but supposedly the police grabbed a guy who biked onto the middle of the course wearing a backpack, but it was a false alarm. Perhaps they overreacted (again, I didn't see it) but if they did it just shows how on edge folks still are. I'm supposed to run the NYC Marathon for the first time this year and it will be interesting to see how much this past week changes those kind of events.
   90. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: April 21, 2013 at 02:17 PM (#4421218)
So far the three events that have happened in my life that I considered major at the time were Columbine, Stewart Payne's plane crashing, and 9/11. Everything else was just news about distant areas and strangers

Single events** that dominated the front page for many consecutive days on end during my conscious lifetime, in chronological order. I'm sure I've missed many others:

Hungarian uprising / Suez crisis

Sputnik

Bay of Pigs

Cuban missile crisis

JFK assassination

Six Day War

Tet offensive

MLK assassination

RFK assassination

Moon landing

Terrorist attack during 1972 Olympics

Jonestown massacre

Three Mile Island

Iran's seizure of hostages

Chernobil

1987 stock market crash

Berlin wall falls

Tiananmen Square

Collapse of the Soviet empire

O.J. Simpson case

Oklahoma City

Columbine

2000 election deadlock

9/11

2004 Tsunami

Katrina

2011 Japanese earthquake

EDIT: And of course this latest event in Boston

**As opposed to long range, multi-event stories like civil rights, Vietnam, presidential campaigns, Watergate, Iraq, etc. But IIRC the most dominant ongoing stories in my lifetime were Watergate (1973-74) and the entire Monicagate/impeachment fiasco, which bloomed in full flower for 13 straight months.



   91. Morty Causa Posted: April 21, 2013 at 02:21 PM (#4421224)
So far the three events that have happened in my life that I considered major at the time were Columbine, Stewart Payne's plane crashing, and 9/11. Everything else was just news about distant areas and strangers


(Joining the all in good fun pile on) what are you, channeling Kim Novak in Vertigo : “Here I was born and here I died. It was only a moment. You took no notice."
   92. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: April 21, 2013 at 02:27 PM (#4421237)
I remember asking my late grandfather (lived until 93 yrs, died in '03) and he lived through depression, wars, etc. and said unquestionably the Moon Landing was the biggest event of his lifetime.
   93. The Yankee Clapper Posted: April 21, 2013 at 02:30 PM (#4421241)
I get all my news of the day from BTF OP threads!

That disclaimer should accompany all your posts, so folks can understand "where you're coming from".
   94. Morty Causa Posted: April 21, 2013 at 02:30 PM (#4421242)


92

Yeah, but we're restricting ourselves to non-madeup stuff. Next thing you know, someone will say "when God spoke to Mankind".
   95. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: April 21, 2013 at 02:32 PM (#4421245)
The Onion's story on the uniquely terrible week we just had - with a diverse set of terrible events - doesn't even hightlight that there are probably a small number of people who had some direct exposure to more than one of these terrible events. In a lot of weeks, the gun-related votes in the Senate would've dominated the news. The earthquake in China is a big deal, too. And obviously the magnitude of the destruction in Texas is enormous.

I know the old saying is that bad things happen in threes...I didn't know they meant multiples of three...


Don't forget the Ricin letters.
   96. Mayor Blomberg Posted: April 21, 2013 at 02:32 PM (#4421246)
I remember asking my late grandfather (lived until 93 yrs, died in '03) and he lived through depression, wars, etc. and said unquestionably the Moon Landing was the biggest event of his lifetime.

And it was faked. ;)
   97. Pingu Posted: April 21, 2013 at 02:33 PM (#4421247)
I remember asking my late grandfather (lived until 93 yrs, died in '03) and he lived through depression, wars, etc. and said unquestionably the Moon Landing was the biggest event of his lifetime.


God I hope I live long enough for a positive event to be the biggest event of my lifetime. Right now I've got acts of terror to hang my hat on. And I really aint that young.
   98. Sunday silence Posted: April 21, 2013 at 02:40 PM (#4421259)
Dont ever lose your critical thinking skills, BTF!
   99. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: April 21, 2013 at 02:42 PM (#4421265)

I do agree with those who note that we pay disproportionate attention to news in our backyard and not enough to suffering outside of it. I would suspect that 75+% of Americans are not aware that this also happened during the past week, for example:

Violence spiked as Iraq readied Friday for its first elections since US troops withdrew, with 27 people killed in a late-night bombing at a Baghdad billiards cafe frequented by young men.

The attack raises further questions about the credibility of Saturday's provincial elections, with 14 candidates already having been killed and a third of the country's provinces not even voting amid an ongoing political crisis.

The polls are seen as a key test of Iraq's stability and security, and will provide a gauge of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki's popularity as he grapples with infighting in his national unity government and months of protests by Iraq's Sunni Arab minority.

The latest bombing struck at 10:00 pm (1900 GMT) on Thursday in the west Baghdad suburb of Amriyah, leaving 27 dead and more than 50 others wounded, security and medical officials said.

Among the dead were at least three children and a woman.
   100. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: April 21, 2013 at 02:50 PM (#4421275)
God I hope I live long enough for a positive event to be the biggest event of my lifetime. Right now I've got acts of terror to hang my hat on. And I really aint that young.


I know, I was stunned by his answer, considering he was actually born in a barn, ate bread pudding out of a pan for weeks at a time during the depression, was involved in war, and experienced all the things of a 90 something during the 20th century.
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