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Sunday, February 10, 2008

Feeding the Monster: Mnookin: On Johan and Schill

and the little primate living in Murray Chass’ brain.  Ok, own up…who is it?

Murray Chass has been, for as long as I can remember, a uniquely horrid sportswriter, one of those buffoons that make you wonder how folks like him manage to be gainfully employed. It’s not just that he’s lazy. It’s not just that he uses a column in a national newspaper to browbeat subjects who dare not talk to him. It’s also that he understands next to nothing about baseball.

Take today’s column, which, by the way, is buried, as always, deep within the Times’s sports section. In a section titled “Giving Up Early,” Chass writes that the Sox “may yet regret that they were not more serious in their effort to win this winter’s Santana sweepstakes.” Chass implies that the Sox interest in Santana was because “their primary interest preventing the Yankees from getting Santana,” but that now, with Schilling’s shoulder trouble, the Sox need a starter. (He then floats one of those conspiracy theories that make no sense to anyone save for the little monkey living in Murray’s brain: “Players these days are supposed to have physicals before signing contracts. If the Red Sox found no shoulder problem in November before Schilling signed an $8 million contract, why does he have a shoulder problem now?” Does he think Curt’s faking — you know, because he doesn’t care about playing? Or that the Sox secretly sabotaged their own efforts and blew $8 mil in the process? Anyone who can figure this out gets a free prize.*)

Repoz Posted: February 10, 2008 at 05:00 PM | 25 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. tfbg9 Posted: February 10, 2008 at 05:52 PM (#2687628)
The Times is a bad joke these days.
   2. Swedish Chef Posted: February 10, 2008 at 05:55 PM (#2687629)
I guess he had to include the ad hominem against Chass so his article added something to what can be found in a Red Sox press release.
   3. Stately, Plump Buck Mulligan Posted: February 10, 2008 at 06:39 PM (#2687645)
I guess he had to include the ad hominem against Chass so his article added something to what can be found in a Red Sox press release.


Seriously. Let's see:

-11/07: The Red Sox re-sign Schilling.
-2/7/08: It's first reported that Schilling has a significant shoulder injury, and may miss the entire '08 season.

I don't think you need to look for conspiracy theories, unless we're talking about the "conspiracy of dunces" that seems to comprise Boston's medical staff.

Now where's my free prize?
   4. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: February 10, 2008 at 07:16 PM (#2687661)
You know, people sometimes get hurt.
   5. Golfing Great Mitch Cumstein Posted: February 10, 2008 at 09:11 PM (#2687694)
Interesting article yesterday from the Globe about Schilling. Edes states that there are multiple sources saying that the Theo signed Schilling over the objections of the medical staff. He ends up discounting this theory and arguing that the Red Sox planned for relatively few innings from Schilling.

Mnookin's style is great. He attacks Chass, while leaving his own opinions on the situation murky. I am sure that he will have a firm opinion once Theo tells him what it is.

I don't think you need to look for conspiracy theories, unless we're talking about the "conspiracy of dunces" that seems to comprise Boston's medical staff.

This is a team that once had an owner as the team doctor. The owners may change, but the odd doings of the medical staff stays the same.
   6. jwb Posted: February 10, 2008 at 09:15 PM (#2687698)
[Edes] ends up discounting this theory and arguing that the Red Sox planned for relatively few innings from Schilling.
So the over/under is, what, 4?
   7. Long John McCaine Mutiny on the Bounty (scott) Posted: February 10, 2008 at 09:49 PM (#2687708)
this is the same paper that employs Kit Seelye and Adam Nagourney as their top political reporters. with their frontline serious reporters being THAT inept, do you really expect more from an area like sports that the paper itself gives short shrift to as unserious?

the NY Times is a ####### joke and a travesty. the thing that makes me cry is that it's probably the best non-NPR news source in the country.
   8. Long John McCaine Mutiny on the Bounty (scott) Posted: February 10, 2008 at 10:18 PM (#2687719)
oh please. the AP and Reuters are prone to the same mistakes and conventional wisdom as the Times, and they lack the ability to do more than superficially cover stories... which is something the Times should do but seldom does effectively.
   9. Esoteric Posted: February 10, 2008 at 10:36 PM (#2687724)
Take it from an unapologetic-yet-brainiac right-winger: the best non-NPR news source in the country is the Washington Post. Liberal bias or no, they do the best job of getting the most important stuff correct. Additionally, their Op-Ed section isn't an entire snooze - it actually has diversity - and they have the best sports page in the country. Suck on it, New York; Washington has been putting the newsbeat smackdown on you for a decade now.
   10. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: February 10, 2008 at 10:49 PM (#2687732)
-Washington Post is the newspaper of the centrist establishment. They're socially liberal, economically conservative, and favor an aggressive, militaristic foreign policy.

-Take it from an unapologetic socialist anti-interventionist - McClatchy is the best American news source available.
   11. Hugh Jorgan Posted: February 10, 2008 at 11:08 PM (#2687741)
I'm inclined to take Chef's position at #4, sometimes, stuff just happens, or isn't picked up.

I'm also quite happy to give the front office some leeway regarding their decision making....2 titles in 4 years will curry you some favour...at least in my book.
   12. Long John McCaine Mutiny on the Bounty (scott) Posted: February 10, 2008 at 11:23 PM (#2687747)
the WaPo is Pravda on the Potomac. you won't get an original idea or thought from it's pages more than once a decade.
   13. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: February 10, 2008 at 11:26 PM (#2687748)
I'm also quite happy to give the front office some leeway regarding their decision making....2 titles in 4 years will curry you some favour...at least in my book.
If it's true that the medical staff told Theo not to sign Schilling because of his arm, and Theo did it anyway, that's a relatively big deal. There were a lot of ways to use $8M to help the team.

I think we can criticize the Sox decision-making while recognizing that (a) we could be wrong and (b) we've got it real good, even if particular decisions can be second-guessed.
   14. OCD SS Posted: February 10, 2008 at 11:49 PM (#2687756)
If it's true that the medical staff told Theo not to sign Schilling because of his arm, and Theo did it anyway, that's a relatively big deal. There were a lot of ways to use $8M to help the team.


Not to mention the draft picks that would've come when he signed elsewhere. Weren't the Brewers willing to make a 2 year offer?
   15. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: February 11, 2008 at 12:20 AM (#2687771)
I don't know that applies across the spectrum, but Reuters does the best entertainment news and analysis that I've seen. I know the LA Times and Variety are supposed to reign supreme in that area, but Reuters was invaluable for me in understanding the just-concluded writers' strike.
   16. InThroughTheOutDoor Posted: February 11, 2008 at 12:23 AM (#2687774)
I'm glad people like Murray Chass are around to give Fire Joe Morgan something to do.
   17. Darren Posted: February 11, 2008 at 12:40 AM (#2687788)
I think if the Sox offered arbitration, Schilling takes it. There were no draft picks coming their way.

The medical staff has been a bit of a mess over the past few years, but it seems like with their new arm-testing stuff and the like, they're doing better now.

We'll see how this all turns out, but the most surprising thing to me is that the Red Sox seemed to have known that Schilling was going to be out and still weren't very interested in Santana.
   18. Exploring Leftist Conservatism since 2008 (ark..) Posted: February 11, 2008 at 12:53 AM (#2687797)
I'll pile on. Wapo is a gutless bore. Can't hold McClatchy's Sac Bee's jock. Reuter's also gets hold of interesting stuff.

Any RSox fans want to guesstimate the rotation for 2010?
   19. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: February 11, 2008 at 12:56 AM (#2687799)
The medical staff has been a bit of a mess over the past few years, but it seems like with their new arm-testing stuff and the like, they're doing better now.
Yup. The reports here, if they're to be believed, suggest that the new arm-testing stuff worked exactly as it should, but the Sox decision-makers ignored them.
   20. Hugh Jorgan Posted: February 11, 2008 at 04:31 AM (#2687913)
Yup. The reports here, if they're to be believed, suggest that the new arm-testing stuff worked exactly as it should, but the Sox decision-makers ignored them.

If that's the case, then that's extraordinary. Why spend $8 mil on 40+ guy who needs rotator cuff surgery...

Me-thinks this is still very much an inexact science, or maybe they just like Curt's quiet, unassuming personality in the clubhouse....
   21. baudib Posted: February 11, 2008 at 04:36 AM (#2687914)
Reuters' news coverage is a joke. This is the wire service that basically invented a massacre at Jenin. No one really takes them seriously as an unbiased or accurate source of news.

During last year's steam pipe explosion in Manhattan, Reuters moved an alert saying that a building had collapsed.

It doesn't even try to really understand American sports.
   22. Voros McCracken, Human Shield Posted: February 11, 2008 at 04:51 AM (#2687922)
If the Red Sox did know the extent of Schilling's shoulder problems when they signed him, it would have presented a difficult problem for them. Do you then let a popular, well respected player (and one who theoretically could still add value in the 2008 postseason) leave or do you give him an incentive laden contract and hope for the best? I'm not saying I would have done what the Red Sox did, but it's not as easy as it sounds.

Remember that payrolls in baseball are not static. Just because there was $8 million available for Schilling doesn't mean that same $8 million was available for anyone else who caught their eye. And just because they spent $8 million on Schilling, that doesn't mean there was less money available for Santana should they acquire him. Most of the time that's true, but for big name players that isn't always the case and both Schilling and Santana qualify.
   23. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: February 11, 2008 at 03:01 PM (#2688028)
It doesn't even try to really understand American sports.

Sports isn't news. It just sells papers/generates hits.

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