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1. The importance of being Ernest Riles Posted: December 14, 2009 at 09:51 PM (#3412201)Out of curiousity, how does this work without violating tampering rules? Do both teams have to notify the commissioner's office about what's going on?
Could it be possible the Phillies read it and thought that it may actually be a pretty good idea?
I believe the rules are that the Jays can grant a limited window of negotiation - either 48 or 72 hours - and that the Commissioner's office does need to be notified. There were similar windows of negotiation granted when the Red Sox were trying to trade for A-Rod and when the Mets traded for Santana.
http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman/status/6673019520
But wouldn't it be Lee + prospects for two draft picks if they didn't make this deal & then lost Lee?
Cue Mike Piazza posts.
I still don't get why Philly would deal Lee. They have a pretty deep system. Flags fly forever. You have Lee for one more year. Make a big run for 2010 and part with some of those good prosepcts.
Dustin Ackley can't be traded until a year after he's signed. I can see Brandon Morrow being a piece of a trade, maybe Michael Saunders, but this isn't exactly a deep organization in prospects. Is Franklin Gutierrez headed to Toronto or something?
F baseball.
It doesn't involve the Yankees or Red Sox, so it's cool.
PleaseletitbeIchiropleaseletitbeIchiro... okay, that'll never happen, but it's fun to dream.
Honestly, I don't know, and I follow M's blogs more than I follow Jays blogs. Morrow maybe? Phillippe Aumont might make sense, I guess?
Blanton's another name that's been kicking around the last week or two. Seems more likely than Hamels to me.
Saunders? Triunfel? Maybe Aardsma goes to Philly as part of the deal?
I can't imagine the Phillies would prefer any of that to pairing Lee and Halladay at the top of the rotation, and the Phillies have enough good prospects to get Halladay by themselves. I mean, if the Jays can't do the deal unless an Aardsma-equivalent comes along, then trade them Madsen and sign Mike Gonzalez.
Lopez? I guess you're joking on Cameron, but he isn't of any use to a team that has Utley and Howard.
A pretty big difference from trading Cliff Lee.
That's what's killing me here!
A hint...plllllllllllllllease!
Where is that?
The only thing I see is "The Phillies have discussed Cliff Lee in trades, but it isn't confirmed who the Mariners would be receiving in this deal."
Here.
I would really like to know what the "??" is, so I can calculate exactly how pissed off I'm going to be for the rest of the offseason.
No way this is enough value. #### off, Sherman.
John Buck's four co-quintuplets.
I was joking, but it would be the Jays that would get the Ms players, not the Phils.
The rumor is a 4th team will be included and it will get the prospects in the deal. Meanwhile, the Jays will get a processing fee for facilitating the biggest blockbuster of the season.
I'm picturing Milton handing pieces of birthday cake to everyone at Initech until it is all gone and he is left with nothing.
From what I understand, ?? = profit
I'm glad I took this week off so I can sit at home and refresh twitter.
What's that worth in Canadian currency?
Currently, roughly the same as it is in American currency.
You guys are worse off than I thought, then.
Heh.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20091214&content_id=7808166&vkey=news_mlb&fext;=.jsp&c_id=mlb
[non-Leafs division]
Nice.
Gathright, McDonald, Buck, and Alex Gonzalez added. Scutaro and Halladay lost.
It's even more pathetic than the Leafs.
You landed John Buck, what more do you want you greedy bastard!
Only because they lost out on Jason Kendall.
From Jim Bowden former GM, and now L.A. Radio host!
The only good thing I can say about John Buck is that he probably sucks less than Rob Barajas.
[post Harold Ballard?]
Worse than Wendel pt2?
Worse than Vince Carter?
Gotta be more than that, right?
And don't forget you had to bear witness firsthand to a Buffalo Bills game.
2006 is worse for me:
Sign/acquire Frank Thomas, Gregg Zaun, Royce Clayton, Matt Stairs, John Thomson, Sal Fassano, Rey Olmedo, Jason Smith, Jesse Carlson, Tomo Ohka, Victor Zambrano
Lose: Frank Catalanotto, Justin Speier, Ted Lilly.
Extend Vernon Wells' contract.
I still remember trying to defend the Ohka/Zambrano/Thomson 5th starter plan. And the Thomas/Wells money was incredibly damaging to the franchise. Losing Halladay was probably inevitable at some point. Wasting millions of dollars on Wells wasn't.
Edit: I forgot about Gonzalez. That might push things over the top (as, obviously, the returns on Halladay might). But don't worry, Anthroupolos has a ton of cloak-and-dagger type deals going on. He's like a ninja GM, like a thief in the night, stealing... John Buck and Joey Gathright from the clutches of teams like the Pirates.
God, I hope so.
If Aumont is going to Toronto does that mean that Lee to Seattle is more likely to happen? Would the Mariners give up Aumont for Blanton (I thought Aumont was a pretty big deal, though I haven't heard for a while)
As long as it isn't M*ke S*rotka
Didn't Seattle move him to the pen? I guess Toronto could always move him back. That seems to be all the rage these days with elite pitching prospects.
I mean, it has to, right? Mariners aren't getting Lee for just Aumont.
Yeah, I think there are about 26 teams in MLB who would beat Aumont for Lee (i.e. all the non-involved teams sans-Marlins).
For some reason, the Blue Jays like to add Canadians to their roster, like they think fans will actually give a #### and show up just to see them play.
They drafted a whole mess of them this past year and then didn't sign them.
Except for Eliopoulos in last year's draft.
edit: Coke to Barnaby
Tyson Gillies (SEA)
Philippe Aumont (SEA)
Juan Ramirez (SEA)
M. Taylor (PHI)
Dominic Brown (PHI)
As I said in the other thread, if this is true then hey, that's a damn fine haul for Halladay. The Phils gave up the most, actually.
[Edit] If it's only one of Brown or Taylor I'm not so happy especially if it's Brown. Taylor has to be the centrepiece.
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