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Tuesday, October 30, 2012

Finalists for Rawlings Gold Glove Awards revealed | MLB.com: News

A few surprising names.

Edit: Link fixed. Jim

Jim Furtado Posted: October 30, 2012 at 10:48 AM | 29 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Bhaakon Posted: October 30, 2012 at 10:51 AM (#4288211)
Gold glove finalists links to an error page, oh the sweet, sweet irony.
   2. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 30, 2012 at 11:14 AM (#4288231)
bit surprised that ryan braun listed. i think he's earned it but still surprised

kind of surprised that carlos gomez was not mentioned. i know he only started 100 games but he's that good
   3. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 30, 2012 at 11:40 AM (#4288260)
bit surprised that ryan braun listed. i think he's earned it but still surprised


There were only five left fielders in the NL who played in even 100 complete games last season, so the pickin's were slim. If 100 is the floor for consideration, the only people Braun had to beat out were Matt Holliday and Jason Kubel.
   4. DanG Posted: October 30, 2012 at 11:59 AM (#4288285)
NL leftfielders, finalists Prado, Braun, Gonzalez

Rk            Player Rfield  PA WAR/pos   G Age  Tm
'1      Martin Prado     19 690     5.4 156  28 ATL'
'2        Ryan Braun      7 677     6.8 154  28 MIL'
3        Juan Pierre      2 439     1.9 130  34 PHI
4      Melky Cabrera      0 501     4.6 113  27 SFG
5       Jesus Guzman      0 321     0.8 120  28 SDP
6      J
.DMartinez     -2 439    -0.7 113  24 HOU
7         Mike Morse     
-4 430     0.6 102  30 WSN
8       Chris Heisey     
-5 375    -0.3 120  27 CIN
9       Alex Presley     
-5 370    -0.1 104  26 PIT
10      Ryan Ludwick     
-5 472     1.7 125  33 CIN
11   Alfonso Soriano     
-5 615     1.8 151  36 CHC
12       Jason Kubel     
-5 571     0.8 141  30 ARI
13     Matt Holliday     
-6 688     3.8 157  32 STL
'14  Carlos Gonzalez    -13 579     1.3 135  26 COL' 
   5. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: October 30, 2012 at 12:06 PM (#4288292)
(1) Jeter's reign of terror has ended! (Did it end last year, actually? I forget.)

(2) Why do they insist on giving Jimmy Rollins these awards? I've never noticed that he was a particularly good fielder.
   6. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 30, 2012 at 12:11 PM (#4288302)
Advanced fielding metrics have always hated Colorado outfielders.
   7. McCoy Posted: October 30, 2012 at 12:20 PM (#4288308)
Aramis Ramirez might actually win a gold glove. That's is absurdly funny on many levels.
   8. bookbook Posted: October 30, 2012 at 12:40 PM (#4288339)
Ackley will never stick at 2B.
   9. cardsfanboy Posted: October 30, 2012 at 12:46 PM (#4288350)
Do not read the comments at the link.... I don't think you will be able to recover the loss brain cells.
   10. Nats-Homer-in-DC Posted: October 30, 2012 at 12:49 PM (#4288355)
So have the managers already voted for the finalists? And are they voting again?

Or has it already been decided? And the finalist tag some kind of mean trick? An excuse for a TV announcement show?

For what? To spur chatter about whom among the three or four may win?

And inane questions about the process?
   11. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 30, 2012 at 01:40 PM (#4288418)
as someone who has watched ramirez his entire career he was astonishingly consistent and effective at third base this season

not trying to engage in hyperbole but he played at a level close to cirillo in the late 90's

   12. Bhaakon Posted: October 30, 2012 at 01:47 PM (#4288424)
as someone who has watched ramirez his entire career he was astonishingly consistent and effective at third base this season


Is it wrong for me to think that 3B is a position where a player can quickly improve his value? Because the ball gets on a 3B so quickly, often before he can take more than a step or two, it seems like it's the one position where positioning can most easily make up for athletic ability.
   13. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: October 30, 2012 at 02:17 PM (#4288447)
Do not read the comments at the link.... I don't think you will be able to recover the loss brain cells.


Yeah, I have to remind myself of the "real" internet every time I get annoyed by someone here. Talk about picking nits - this place is Dickens compared to sites like the one linked above....
   14. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 30, 2012 at 03:07 PM (#4288503)
bhaakon

all i know is that he handled everything his way with aplomb. charged effectively on bunts. went to his left smoothly

made some legit really good plays throughout the year

   15. Walt Davis Posted: October 30, 2012 at 04:25 PM (#4288603)
Aramis Ramirez might actually win a gold glove.

He can put it on his mantle next to his Aaron Award.
   16. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: October 30, 2012 at 08:08 PM (#4288801)
Nice to see Cozart on there. One of those guys where the defensive numbers so far match up nicely with how he looks out there.
   17. Yoenis Cespedes, Baseball Savant Posted: October 30, 2012 at 10:14 PM (#4288887)
AL Gold Gloves
C: Wieters
1B: Teixeira
2B: Cano
SS: Hardy
3B: Beltre
LF: Gordon
CF: Jones
RF: Reddick
P: Hellickson/Peavy

NL Gold Gloves
C: Molina
1B: LaRoche
2B: Barney
SS: Rollins
3B: Headley
LF: Gonzalez
CF: McCutchen
RF: Heyward
P: Buehrle
   18. Yoenis Cespedes, Baseball Savant Posted: October 30, 2012 at 10:25 PM (#4288891)
How the Gold Gloves stack up against WAR (listed in parentheses if different):

AL Gold Gloves
C: Wieters (S. Perez)
1B: Teixeira
2B: Cano
SS: Hardy (Ryan)
3B: Beltre (Lawrie)
LF: Gordon
CF: Jones (Trout)
RF: Reddick
P: Hellickson/Peavy

The AL WAR Gold Glove team saved 57 more runs than the actual Gold Glove winners, the majority of that in the 37-run margin Trout had over Jones in CF.

NL Gold Gloves
C: Molina
1B: LaRoche (Votto)
2B: Barney
SS: Rollins (Simmons)
3B: Headley (Wright)
LF: Gonzalez (Prado)
CF: McCutchen (Bourn)
RF: Heyward
P: Buehrle

The NL WAR Gold Glove team saved 108 more runs than the actual Gold Glove winners. Every position except 1B was a bad miss; all between 19-32 run differences for the winner and WAR leader.
   19. base ball chick Posted: October 30, 2012 at 10:41 PM (#4288901)
i need to get it explained to me why it is important to consider batting average as part of the gold glove award.

i hear tell that brendan ryan is an even better SS for the mariners than he was for saint looey and he was almost adam everett quality when he was there. and having wqatched jj hardy i can say that on no planet does jj hardy even think of being anywheres NEAR the ss that brendan ryan is

mccutchen has a higher BA than bourn - but firtunately, he really IS a really good CF. not bourn, but he really IS good. jimmy rollins????? REALLY??????
   20. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: October 30, 2012 at 11:16 PM (#4288934)
I'm amazed that Trout and Ryan didn't win. They're spectacular to watch. I can see Simmons not winning since he didn't play that much. I don't really understand how Bourn didn't win either. Do players even watch baseball?
   21. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: October 30, 2012 at 11:19 PM (#4288941)
Josh "Spider-Man" Reddick was an excellent choice.
Great range, great instincts, great arm.
   22. Walt Davis Posted: October 30, 2012 at 11:29 PM (#4288950)
37-run margin Trout had over Jones

Missed it by THAT much.
   23. PreservedFish Posted: October 30, 2012 at 11:38 PM (#4288953)
Am I nuts, or are there not a ton of exceptional fielders right now? On the NL list Molina is the only guy that I think of as being really great (haven't watched Barney much), on the AL list, Beltre, maybe Wieters. Reddick and Gordon are very good in their corners.

Compare to 1992:
Pagnozzi - Grace - Lind - Pendleton - Ozzie - Bonds - Van Slyke - Walker
Pudge - Mattingly - Alomar - Ripken - Ventura - Griffey - Puckett - Devon

Is this an artifact of my being a stupid credulous little kid back then, or are those names a lot more impressive?
   24. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 31, 2012 at 12:22 AM (#4288970)
posted from another article:

The team lacks an identified fifth starter, first baseman, shortstop, left fielder, right fielder and DH.

Josh "Spider-Man" Reddick was an excellent choice.
Great range, great instincts, great arm.


Good job Red Sox! Happy to see Reddick succeed somewhere.

Agree with above sentiments, not sure how Trout missed out here. He's not getting the MVP, so it'll be AL rookie only.

   25. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: October 31, 2012 at 02:13 AM (#4289025)
Is it wrong for me to think that 3B is a position where a player can quickly improve his value? Because the ball gets on a 3B so quickly, often before he can take more than a step or two, it seems like it's the one position where positioning can most easily make up for athletic ability.


I think it is a lot more about quick reactions and a strong, accurate arm. Charging bunts and slow rollers is another thing.
   26. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: October 31, 2012 at 02:26 AM (#4289026)
Ackley will never stick at 2B.

I am surprised he's one of the top 3 in the AL, ergo, a finalist.
   27. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: October 31, 2012 at 10:07 AM (#4289138)
Hardy had an outstanding season defensively and was better than Ryan according to Total Zone. I'm not sure why one defensive system should be seen as gospel. Plus, Hardy hit .238, so it's silly to say that he won because of his batting average or offense.

Trout obviously should have beaten Jones, but I don't buy that he was 37 runs better. IIRC, there's a weird home/road split with the defensive numbers for Orioles outfielders. I think Jones is average to slightly below average overall.
   28. Charles S. will not yield to this monkey court Posted: October 31, 2012 at 10:24 AM (#4289153)
(haven't watched Barney much)

Barney had an amazing year. The Cubs put a new emphasis on positioning this year. Perhaps it was the influence of Dave McKay or perhaps it was organizational, but Barney almost always seemed to be in the right spot to make a play. Combine that with range not seen in Chicago since Sandberg, sure hands that result in a .997 fielding percentage, and the arm of one who came up as a shortstop. One of the few bright spots in a dismal year for the northsiders. It's nice to see him recognized.
   29. bigglou115 Posted: October 31, 2012 at 11:38 AM (#4289203)
NL Gold Gloves
C: Molina
1B: LaRoche (Votto)
2B: Barney
SS: Rollins (Simmons)
3B: Headley (Wright)
LF: Gonzalez (Prado)
CF: McCutchen (Bourn)
RF: Heyward
P: Buehrle



Now I understand how the Braves could have a great defense despite having a bad defensive 1B, 3B, C (unless you buy into the framing pitches thing), and an historically bad 2B.

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