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Tuesday, June 23, 2009

FJB: Red Sox = Yankees + Hypocrisy

Red Sox President Larry Lucchino once famously called the Yankees the “evil empire” for outspending the opposition en route to championship after championship. With a fan base that carried itself with the self-important entitlement of a Hilton heir, the Yankees have forever been the team that all right-thinking fans loved to hate.

Today, Red Sox and the Yankees have melded into one axis of evil, each outspending the rest of the league and undermining the sense of fair competition.

(By the way, it’s this sense that the game is rigged that really is the objectionable thing about all this. The appeal of sports is that it’s a fair, honest competition, where the underdog can have his day and the big shots have to prove themselves day in and day out. By letting a few teams buy their way into contention every year, baseball feels corrupt and unfair. In other words, it’s less fun.)

knucklehead7 Posted: June 23, 2009 at 01:25 PM | 181 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. mack Posted: June 23, 2009 at 04:03 PM (#3229351)
Sure, because the Sox have the second highest payroll...

Why let a little thing like facts get in the way of emotional hyperbole
   2. SoSH U at work Posted: June 23, 2009 at 04:05 PM (#3229354)
Wow, the Red Sox and Yankees are now exactly alike. A groundbreaking theory indeed.
   3. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: June 23, 2009 at 04:12 PM (#3229361)
Not this Steve dolt again. Why do we continue to link his baseless prattling?
   4. konaforever Posted: June 23, 2009 at 04:13 PM (#3229362)
Wow. I've never heard this argument before.
   5. SoSH U at work Posted: June 23, 2009 at 04:14 PM (#3229363)
Does knucklehead7=Steve?
   6. Famous Original Joe C Posted: June 23, 2009 at 04:14 PM (#3229364)
New York Yankees $201,449,189
New York Mets $149,373,987
Chicago Cubs $134,809,000
Boston Red Sox $121,745,999
Detroit Tigers $115,085,145
Los Angeles Angels $113,709,000
Philadelphia Phillies $113,004,046
Houston Astros $102,996,414
Los Angeles Dodgers $100,414,592

Feel free to lop another $8.5 million if you want for Matsuzaka's posting fee - it won't pull the Red Sox out of 4th.

I'm sorry that the fanbase of your favorite team is apathetic, and that their management is inept, and the ownership indifferent, but when you rant like this and you can't even get basic facts straight or show evidence that, you know, actually supports your claims, it reflects only on you.
   7. Famous Original Joe C Posted: June 23, 2009 at 04:15 PM (#3229366)
Does knucklehead7=Steve?

I was going to go there myself, but I was willing to give the benefit of the doubt.
   8. Robinson Cano Plate Like Home Posted: June 23, 2009 at 04:16 PM (#3229367)
Now that "1918" is gone, this is the quickest way under a Sawx fan's skin.
   9. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: June 23, 2009 at 04:18 PM (#3229369)
All these "empiricism" discussions about the Yankees and Red Sox are best explained through classic Marxist theory.
   10. Dr Love Posted: June 23, 2009 at 04:22 PM (#3229373)
Jim Bowden was fired, so shouldn't this blog no longer exist?
   11. Answer Guy Posted: June 23, 2009 at 04:25 PM (#3229378)
So to all you DC-based Red Sox fans who will fill the stadium tonight--if you want to root for an underdog, it's time to don Nationals red.


Oh, there will be a lot of red shirts in the stands.

However, the only way you'll have any idea that Nationals are the home team is the stadium looks nothing like Fenway and that the Nats bat last.
   12. The Original SJ Posted: June 23, 2009 at 04:26 PM (#3229380)
Now that "1918" is gone, this is the quickest way under a Sawx fan's skin.

I think they hate the "pink hat" distinction more.
   13. Famous Original Joe C Posted: June 23, 2009 at 04:29 PM (#3229384)
I think they hate the "pink hat" distinction more.

At least this one is somewhat fair. The Red Sox have been very successful of late, so there are bandwagon fans. As long as all Red Sox fans aren't painted with this broad brush, it's a totally valid criticism/complaint.
   14. ekogan Posted: June 23, 2009 at 04:29 PM (#3229385)
Poll on the FJB website:
Are the Nationals on the right track or headed off in the wrong direction?


53% of respondents say that NATSTOWN is on the right track. WTF are they thinking?
   15. Answer Guy Posted: June 23, 2009 at 04:30 PM (#3229386)
I'm sorry that the fanbase of your favorite team is apathetic, and that their management is inept, and the ownership indifferent


If anything, what Tampa did last year should have fans in DC and other places hold their ownerships' feet to the fire. The Nats have the Mets and Phillies (plus Atlanta, who are also sometimes willing to splurge) but neither of those teams is the Yankees.
   16. Answer Guy Posted: June 23, 2009 at 04:35 PM (#3229393)
53% of respondents say that NATSTOWN is on the right track. WTF are they thinking?


They did can Bowden. They were willing to cut bait on Daniel Cabrera.

They won 4 out of 6 from the Yankees and Toronto.
   17. tfbg9 Posted: June 23, 2009 at 04:37 PM (#3229396)
New York Yankees $201,449,189
New York Mets $149,373,987
Chicago Cubs $134,809,000
Boston Red Sox $121,745,999
Detroit Tigers $115,085,145
Los Angeles Angels $113,709,000
Philadelphia Phillies $113,004,046
Houston Astros $102,996,414
Los Angeles Dodgers $100,414,592

Two ways that the Red Sox are different from all these clubs:

1-No giant-sized deals to any players (not really)

2-None of the other listed big payroll teams have a $200 million behemoth in their own division
   18. The Original SJ Posted: June 23, 2009 at 04:39 PM (#3229399)
53% of respondents say that NATSTOWN is on the right track. WTF are they thinking?

The Nats are on the right track. The young pitching is for real, they just need to add a bat or two, put Dunn at 1b, and rebuild the bullpen.

I wouldn't be surprised if they took the NL East in 2011.
   19. RJ in TO Posted: June 23, 2009 at 04:41 PM (#3229400)
If anything, what Tampa did last year should have fans in DC and other places hold their ownerships' feet to the fire.


You mean that they should root for a good scouting team paired with an incompetent management team for a decade to allow for the stockpiling of prospects, and then magically arrange for a transfer of ownewship, a sudden simultaneous development of a large group of prospects, a historic defensive improvement, and a massive leap forward from the bullpen?

That doesn't strike me as the most reasonable set of hopes.
   20. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: June 23, 2009 at 04:41 PM (#3229401)
Not this Steve dolt again. Why do we continue to link his baseless prattling?


I was gonna say that it's because Repoz would rather post one of his pinatas than something cool from THT. But then I look and see it wasn't him. I can't work on 4 hours sleep!
   21. tfbg9 Posted: June 23, 2009 at 04:45 PM (#3229407)
Repoz would rather post one of his pinatas


Nice. Or is "pinata" an internet term now?
   22. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: June 23, 2009 at 04:48 PM (#3229411)
Dunno. I think I saw saw someone else refer to Chass or Plaschke or one of the other moldy figs as Repoz's pinata and I appropriated the term.
   23. fra paolo Posted: June 23, 2009 at 04:58 PM (#3229424)
put Dunn at 1b

NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

He is awful there. The strongest argument that there is a floor to bad fielding at 1b that I know of.
   24. BDC Posted: June 23, 2009 at 04:59 PM (#3229427)
I hear you, GGC. I have just submitted Chris Jaffe's THT review of a new book about the Hall of Fame. (Unless somebody posted that yesterday and it vanished, it hasn't had a thread yet.)

Unfortunately I think the steroid-word appears in the review :(
   25. tfbg9 Posted: June 23, 2009 at 04:59 PM (#3229429)
Oh. It's a good term. I'm gonna go with it in real life from now on.
   26. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: June 23, 2009 at 05:00 PM (#3229430)
Now that "1918" is gone, this is the quickest way under a Sawx fan's skin.


No, the quickest way is to argue that the Sox are like the Yanks while using as many untruths and conjecture as possible.

Second-quickest is to tell us we're all bandwagon fans.
   27. RJ in TO Posted: June 23, 2009 at 05:03 PM (#3229434)
No, the quickest way is to argue that the Sox are like the Yanks while using as many untruths and conjecture as possible.

Second-quickest is to tell us we're all bandwagon fans.


Where does "mistake you for a Mets fan" fall? I ask, only because I thought you were one. I suspect I have you confused with someone else.
   28. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: June 23, 2009 at 05:03 PM (#3229436)
I do like Repoz, BTW. I just learned to embrace Google Reader and put my favorite blogs on there.
   29. BDC Posted: June 23, 2009 at 05:04 PM (#3229440)
I always thought it was "Mike Greenwell is a measurably inferior baseball player to Claudell Washington, at least in my opinion, my good Boston fan!" At least that used to wind them up back in the day.
   30. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 23, 2009 at 05:06 PM (#3229444)
Jimmy Fallon, #######, Jimmy Fallon!
   31. Answer Guy Posted: June 23, 2009 at 05:08 PM (#3229446)
Nice. Or is "pinata" an internet term now?


You might even say that Repoz posts a plethora of pinatas.
   32. ekogan Posted: June 23, 2009 at 05:09 PM (#3229448)
The Nats are on the right track. The young pitching is for real, they just need to add a bat or two, put Dunn at 1b, and rebuild the bullpen.

That is truly a journey of a thousand miles. Where are they going to get the money to add a bat or two? They drove all their fanbase away.
They'll have to develop everything on the farm. And they have a mediocre farm system.
   33. Answer Guy Posted: June 23, 2009 at 05:09 PM (#3229450)
Jimmy Fallon is a Yankees fan from NY. Next taunt please.
   34. SoSH U at work Posted: June 23, 2009 at 05:09 PM (#3229451)
I ask, only because I thought you were one. I suspect I have you confused with someone else.


Raskolnikov, I bet.
   35. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 23, 2009 at 05:10 PM (#3229453)
Also, Dane Cook. If Dane Cook were a fan of my team, that would easily be the #1 way to get under my skin. There are advantages to rooting for a team with only 78 fans.
   36. RJ in TO Posted: June 23, 2009 at 05:11 PM (#3229454)
Raskolnikov, I bet.


That seems like a pretty good bet.
   37. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: June 23, 2009 at 05:11 PM (#3229455)
No giant-sized deals to any players (not really)

Written less than a year after lopping off one of the giantest ones. What's your definition of a giant-sized deal? The Phillies have not paid as much for a player as the Sox have for Matusaka. (sp?)
   38. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 23, 2009 at 05:11 PM (#3229456)
Jimmy Fallon is a Yankees fan from NY. Next taunt please.

Making it even worse that he was able to dance around on the field like a spazz in furtherance of his crappy film career during your team's shining moment!
   39. Chris Needham Posted: June 23, 2009 at 05:11 PM (#3229457)
That is truly a journey of a thousand miles. Where are they going to get the money to add a bat or two?

They have the money. They've had the money all along. Those cheap bastards just don't spend it on the field.

They've got a top-10 media contract. All the suites and boxes are locked in on long-term deals. There's still going to be enough diehard ticket holders who'll look at the potential and think they're on the verge.

They're not in the same position Pittsburgh or the other dregs are off-the-field, even if they like to pretend they are.
   40. The Original SJ Posted: June 23, 2009 at 05:12 PM (#3229458)
No, the quickest way is to argue that the Sox are like the Yanks while using as many untruths and conjecture as possible.

The franchises are much more similar than they are dissimilar, and the fanbases are basically the same.
   41. RJ in TO Posted: June 23, 2009 at 05:13 PM (#3229459)
Making it even worse that he was able to dance around on the field like a spazz in furtherance of his crappy film career during your team's shining moment!


That even pissed me off, and I can't stand the Red Sox.

Also, that movie was complete garbage, and I hate the airline for showing it in a confined space.
   42. knucklehead7 Posted: June 23, 2009 at 05:14 PM (#3229460)
Does knucklehead7=Steve?


Definitely not. Steve's BBTF handle is sbiel2.
   43. The Original SJ Posted: June 23, 2009 at 05:15 PM (#3229462)
They drove all their fanbase away.

Nah. They never had a fanbase, check out the Caps. If you win, the people in DC will come.

And they are going to win in 2 years.
   44. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: June 23, 2009 at 05:18 PM (#3229465)
The franchises are much more similar than they are dissimilar, and the fanbases are basically the same.


Not really. I live on the border; the Alsauced-Lorraine region of Connecticut. The Yankee fanbase is mainly drunken louts of Italian extraction. The Red Sox fanbase, OTOH, is mainly drunken louts of Irish extraction.
   45. SoSH U at work Posted: June 23, 2009 at 05:21 PM (#3229470)
Definitely not. Steve's BBTF handle is sbiel2.


My apologies then. Your blog entry to comment ratio was rather high, so I thought you might be trying to throw a 4seamer by us.
   46. Repoz Posted: June 23, 2009 at 05:31 PM (#3229481)
So just to be straight on this...4seamer, sbiel2, knucklehead7 and mcscrotumtongue8 are all on the outs?

Jots.
   47. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 23, 2009 at 05:37 PM (#3229488)
So just to be straight on this...4seamer, sbiel2, knucklehead7 and mcscrotumtongue8 are all on the outs?

This is harder to follow than a family tree on East Enders.
   48. sbiel2 Posted: June 23, 2009 at 05:41 PM (#3229490)
OK, so the push-back from BoSox fans here are:

1. my team sucks because the management is incompetent (like I didn't know that) and I'm just jealous. Spoken like a true Yankees fan.

2. my facts are wrong. What facts exactly?
   49. Raskolnikov Posted: June 23, 2009 at 05:49 PM (#3229501)
I just want to let you know that being talked about in a non-derogatory way in a BTF thread without inducement is one of my life's greatest accomplishments. I'm a BTF celebrity!

- The Yankees are evil. It's in their nature.
   50. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 23, 2009 at 05:52 PM (#3229505)
- The Yankees are evil. It's in their nature.

Yep. And there's no chance of them going the good guy route ala Roddy Piper. They are Iron Sheik level evil. They might morph from Iranian to Iraqi depending on politics, but they'll never be beloved.
   51. JuanGone..except1game Posted: June 23, 2009 at 05:53 PM (#3229507)
- The Yankees are evil. It's in their nature.


/science
   52. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: June 23, 2009 at 05:53 PM (#3229510)
Dunno. I think I saw saw someone else refer to Chass or Plaschke or one of the other moldy figs as Repoz's pinata and I appropriated the term.


And now I notice that Joe Sheehan used the term when referring to Fehr.
   53. SoSH U at work Posted: June 23, 2009 at 05:54 PM (#3229511)
OK, so the push-back from BoSox fans here are:

1. my team sucks because the management is incompetent (like I didn't know that) and I'm just jealous. Spoken like a true Yankees fan.

2. my facts are wrong. What facts exactly?


My objection is it's a tired, thoroughly unoriginal take, nothing that Red Sox fans haven't been hearing since 2004. Yup, the Red Sox and Yankees have a lot in common: residence in the Northeast Corridor; an expectation of success; big revenue streams they plow back into their operations and large fanbases that invade your stadium and piss off the home crowd. I'm sure Alabama and Auburn fans are more alike than they are different.

So F*** What?
   54. RJ in TO Posted: June 23, 2009 at 05:58 PM (#3229514)
So F*** What?


You're missing some ***, unless you Boston supporters have developed your own custom version of profanity.
   55. Hector Moreda & The Generalissimo Posted: June 23, 2009 at 05:58 PM (#3229515)
my facts are wrong. What facts exactly?


each outspending the rest of the league

the Yankees at $201 million

2009 payrolls

So those two are wrong. Aside from that, the Lucchino quote and that the Yankees lost two to the Nationals, you really have no other facts in your post. Just conjecture, stereotyping and flame-baiting.
   56. sbiel2 Posted: June 23, 2009 at 05:58 PM (#3229516)
BoSox fans are annoying and obnoxious, and it's the story in DC baseball today. I didn't invite you to comment, so if my blog is boring and unoriginal, don't read it.
   57. Chris Needham Posted: June 23, 2009 at 05:58 PM (#3229517)
My objection is it's a tired, thoroughly unoriginal take, nothing that Red Sox fans haven't been hearing since 2004. Yup, the Red Sox and Yankees have a lot in common: residence in the Northeast Corridor; an expectation of success; big revenue streams they plow back into their operations and large fanbases that invade your stadium and piss off the home crowd. I'm sure Alabama and Auburn fans are more alike than they are different.

So F*** What?


Well, this is the first time it's happened to DC fans, and this is a blog focused on Nats fans, so why the F*** do you care?

Maybe he's right. Maybe he's wrong. But fer crissake, it's not like he bought out Page 1 of the Washington Post to run this. It's a personal blog; if we can't rant there, where the F*** can we rant?
   58. sbiel2 Posted: June 23, 2009 at 06:05 PM (#3229526)
@55 Yankess and Red Sox salary ranks by year according to USA Today:

2004: 1 and 2
2005: 1 and 2
2006: 1 and 2
2007: 1 and 2
2008: 1 and 4
2009: 1 and 4
2004 through 2009 total: 1 and 2.

Based on that, I think it's reasonable to generalize that the Yankees and Red Sox outspend most other teams.

USA Today's database has the Yankees at $201m. If that's out of date, then I stand corrected.

Otherwise, what you call "stereotyping..." is basically me rooting for my team and trash-talking the opposing team. I write a Nationals fan blog. Duh.
   59. sbiel2 Posted: June 23, 2009 at 06:06 PM (#3229530)
@Chris--my point exactly. See y'all.
   60. JuanGone..except1game Posted: June 23, 2009 at 06:06 PM (#3229531)
BoSox fans are annoying and obnoxious, and it's the story in DC baseball today. I didn't invite you to comment, so if my blog is boring and unoriginal, don't read it.


This I'm on board with. I can't stand the Evil Empire, but BoSox fans give me the willies.
   61. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: June 23, 2009 at 06:07 PM (#3229532)
my facts are wrong. What facts exactly?


I don't think your points are entirely wrong (though I don't agree entirely either). However, you use one quantifiable fact in the piece;

Today, Red Sox and the Yankees have melded into one axis of evil, each outspending the rest of the league and undermining the sense of fair competition.


As pointed out above, this is not correct (though the Sox are hardly able to cry poor).

I'm a Sox fan so as you might expect I don't agree with your conclusions but whatever. I go to about 30 games a year at Fenway and rarely encounter drunks or any people who are overly obnoxious but you've obviously had different experiences, that's too bad.

My experience is that visiting fans of any team are more obnoxious than the home fans regardless of the teams involved. I've lived my whole life in New England but I work closely with people around the country and in all areas, not just sports, we tend to be a bit more intense than most so I would assume that is true in our sports fandom.
   62. SoSH U at work Posted: June 23, 2009 at 06:08 PM (#3229537)
Well, this is the first time it's happened to DC fans, and this is a blog focused on Nats fans, so why the F*** do you care?


He's allowed to rant on his personal blog why he hates the Red Sox and how the team is just like the yankees. When his blog gets linked here, I'm allowed to rant here why his observation is not something that hasn't been said hundreds of times before. That's the way it works.
   63. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 23, 2009 at 06:09 PM (#3229538)
This whole X fans are awful! thing is verging into the monumentally dumb area. Fans of any team are awful, period. Sitting around watching other guys play a sport is a ridiculous way to spend your time.
   64. RJ in TO Posted: June 23, 2009 at 06:10 PM (#3229539)
For the record, my limited experience in dealing with visiting Red Sox fans has been pretty good.

However, I have been assured by others in my area that my experiences are the exception.
   65. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: June 23, 2009 at 06:11 PM (#3229542)
BoSox fans are annoying and obnoxious, and it's the story in DC baseball today. I didn't invite you to comment, so if my blog is boring and unoriginal, don't read it.


Speaking for myself (though I imagine most of the others here) I wouldn't have read your blog if it wasn't linked here and I've only posted comments here. I haven't come to your blog to comment. We didn't invite you to comment here so if you get upset by what gets written here, don't read it.
   66. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: June 23, 2009 at 06:18 PM (#3229549)
Where does "mistake you for a Mets fan" fall? I ask, only because I thought you were one. I suspect I have you confused with someone else.


This happens to me fairly often because I try to play the homer as little as possible, but Rasky is a good bet.
   67. Hector Moreda & The Generalissimo Posted: June 23, 2009 at 06:22 PM (#3229556)
BoSox fans are annoying and obnoxious, and it's the story in DC baseball today.

Funny, I'd think the story in DC baseball would be how the Nats are rolling, and what the matchups in the Red Sox series would look like, and their chances for success.
I didn't invite you to comment,

The comment box at the bottom of the your page suggests otherwise.
   68. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: June 23, 2009 at 06:23 PM (#3229557)
The Yankees are evil. It's in their nature.

Yep. And there's no chance of them going the good guy route ala Roddy Piper. They are Iron Sheik level evil. They might morph from Iranian to Iraqi depending on politics, but they'll never be beloved.


Like the Sheik (along with Nikolai Volkoff and Ayatollah Blassie), the Yankees DO stop the live event cold, to demand that all the fans stand for a nationalistic anthem. I suspect it won't be long before Jorge Posada starts loading the boot.
   69. konaforever Posted: June 23, 2009 at 06:25 PM (#3229566)
BoSox fans are annoying and obnoxious, and it's the story in DC baseball today.


Hmm, you don't like the team, you don't like the fans. What's next? How much you hate the city itself of Boston?
   70. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: June 23, 2009 at 06:26 PM (#3229567)
You know, it seems to me they give these ball players now-a-days very peculiar names.
   71. Chris Needham Posted: June 23, 2009 at 06:29 PM (#3229578)
Funny, I'd think the story in DC baseball would be how the Nats are rolling, and what the matchups in the Red Sox series would look like, and their chances for success.


Nats fans -- with an assist from Stan Kasten ("Try the Brisket!") -- have learned that focusing on the product on the field causes blindness.
   72. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: June 23, 2009 at 06:49 PM (#3229611)
So F*** What?

So we f*cking hate you. That's really about it. I mean, unless you suggest that "Let's Go <insert team name here>" chants in visiting stadiums is somehow deep and meaningful commentary on the state of the world, take this sort of retaliatory commentary for what it is.

You have legions of carpetbagger fans spread across the nation who show up when you visit and suck the very life and joy out of the game for fans of the home team. We have a few bloggers that don't mind telling you how much of an asshat that makes you.

This isn't hard.
   73. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: June 23, 2009 at 06:54 PM (#3229619)
I mean, unless you suggest that "Let's Go <insert team name here>" chants in visiting stadiums is somehow deep and meaningful commentary on the state of the world, take this sort of retaliatory commentary for what it is.


What would you suggest Red Sox fans traveling to another ballpark chant?

And for what it's worth I spent 9 innings Friday nightsitting next to some Braves fans at Fenway. They yelled "let's go Braves" and cheered when their team scored (frequently) against Matsuzaka. Somehow I was able to enjoy myself.
   74. konaforever Posted: June 23, 2009 at 06:55 PM (#3229621)
So F*** What?

So we f*cking hate you. That's really about it. I mean, unless you suggest that "Let's Go <insert team name here>" chants in visiting stadiums is somehow deep and meaningful commentary on the state of the world, take this sort of retaliatory commentary for what it is.

You have legions of carpetbagger fans spread across the nation who show up when you visit and suck the very life and joy out of the game for fans of the home team. We have a few bloggers that don't mind telling you how much of an asshat that makes you.

This isn't hard.


Whining about Boston fans day 2: Eletric Boogaloo!
   75. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: June 23, 2009 at 06:57 PM (#3229623)
What would you suggest Red Sox fans traveling to another ballpark chant?

I would suggest that they not chant anything. I find such chanting to be peurile and adolescent, at best. I suggest that they cheer when their team does something good but otherwise sit down and let others enjoy the game. Of course my suggestions are not law, and there is a free choice involved.

Either: Stop behaving as if a plurality of seats makes it okay for you to cheer as if you were in your home park

Or: Have people hate you.

If you don't want the latter choose the former. If you're so emotionally underdeveloped that you can't let go of the former, accept the fact that you're an asshat and people will hate you.
   76. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: June 23, 2009 at 06:58 PM (#3229625)
Whining about Boston fans day 2

Simple reading comprehension would have told you that I was hating Cubs fans yesterday. Tonight I'll full-glare onto Yankee fans. Come Thursday me and this "Steven" fellow from FireJimBowden will likely switch seats in the hate-a-thon.
   77. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: June 23, 2009 at 07:00 PM (#3229629)
You mean funny names?
   78. SoSH U at work Posted: June 23, 2009 at 07:02 PM (#3229632)
So we f*cking hate you.


Getting on the List of Things Sam Hates isn't exactly one of life's tougher chores.

The guy wrote a blog piece with a wholly unoriginal premise (Red Sox fans=Yankee fans) that was, for some reason, linked here. I opined what a tired and unoriginal idea it is.

You wrote something similarly uninspired a couple of days ago, though with more of that bitter invective thing you think is so clever.

I know you're not new to BTF, so I shouldn't have to explain the way this works. Some dumbass writes something that gets linked here. The dumbasses here comment on the dumbassy thing written. Repeat.
   79. Famous Original Joe C Posted: June 23, 2009 at 07:03 PM (#3229634)
Simple reading comprehension would have told you that I was hating Cubs fans yesterday.

And to think, we were bonding so well over sausage gravy and grits. Let me quote your entry from yesterday:

"Three games of transplanted Yankee fans soiling the seats of our fair grounds, followed immediately by an equal dose of their paternal twins from Boston."

"I hate people who think a baseball stadium full of families is the proper place to get drunk and moan "Yoooouuuuuuk" like a water buffalo in heat."

Yes, you were hating Cubs fans as well, but come on now...
   80. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: June 23, 2009 at 07:06 PM (#3229640)
I would suggest that they not chant anything. I find such chanting to be peurile and adolescent, at best. I suggest that they cheer when their team does something good but otherwise sit down and let others enjoy the game.


So road fans shouldn't chant or all fans shouldn't chant? I really can't understand how what a fan is yelling (assuming it's not an obscenity or screaming right in your face) impacts the enjoyment of the game.

I've attended a LOT of games where I've sat next to fans screaming and yelling for my opponent. They don't impact my ability to enjoy the game. Generally my enjoyment comes from the person I am attending the game with and whether or not the team I support is succeeding.
   81. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: June 23, 2009 at 07:06 PM (#3229642)
The guy wrote a blog piece with a wholly unoriginal premise

If the premise is cliche, consider the possibility that it is cliche for a reason.
   82. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: June 23, 2009 at 07:07 PM (#3229644)
Yes, you were hating Cubs fans as well, but come on now...

The DLF post was a *preview.* Yesterday was Cub-hate day. Today we move into Yankee-hate.
   83. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: June 23, 2009 at 07:08 PM (#3229645)
Strange names, pet names...like Dizzy Dean... his brother Daffy.
   84. tfbg9 Posted: June 23, 2009 at 07:09 PM (#3229647)
I would suggest that they not chant anything.


They wouldn't be at your crappy ballpark and able to do so to if Atlanta wasn't such a mediocre baseball town that a gazillion
seats were available for them to purchase.
   85. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: June 23, 2009 at 07:10 PM (#3229648)
So road fans shouldn't chant or all fans shouldn't chant?

In a perfect world no one would chant. Chanting is idiotic. If I thought Chipper Jones needed me to *remind him* that he's supposed to try to get hits in pivotal situations I'd suggest firing Chipper Jones. I will stand and cheer in appropriate situations. I will cheer more loudly when the home team *does something good.* I will not chant moronically - this includes that damned chop too - as if the only thing standing between Diory Hernandez and a game-tying homer is feel-good vibrations and motivation from the stands.
   86. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 23, 2009 at 07:11 PM (#3229652)
They wouldn't be at your crappy ballpark and able to do so to if Atlanta wasn't such a mediocre baseball town that a gazillion
seats were available for them to purchase.


This took longer than I thought it would.

Strange names, pet names...like Dizzy Dean... his brother Daffy.

I always forget the next line.
   87. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: June 23, 2009 at 07:12 PM (#3229653)
They wouldn't be at your crappy ballpark and able to do so to if Atlanta wasn't such a mediocre baseball town that a gazillion
seats were available for them to purchase.


We come out just fine when there's a winner on the field.
   88. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: June 23, 2009 at 07:13 PM (#3229657)
When did ballpark chanting start anyways? The earliest I recall it was when the Red Sox fans were taunting Darryl Strawberry.

Costello: And their French cousin.

Abbott: French?

Costello:
Goofè.
   89. SoSH U at work Posted: June 23, 2009 at 07:13 PM (#3229658)
We come out just fine when there's a winner on the field.


So that's why it will be packed when Boston's in town.
   90. tfbg9 Posted: June 23, 2009 at 07:15 PM (#3229660)
We come out just fine when there's a winner on the field.


Sure you do--provided "just fine" is defined as not selling out playoff games.
   91. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: June 23, 2009 at 07:15 PM (#3229661)
So that's why it will be packed when Boston's in town.

Boston is in a win-cycle right now, yeah. They'll either peter out in a few years or buy more talent in the manner of some other team that their fanbase is incredibly thin-skinned about being compared to. None of which bears any impact on the conversation at hand. I'm trying to teach you buffoons some basic manners to display when visiting neighbors. Apparently your parents sucked at it.
   92. tfbg9 Posted: June 23, 2009 at 07:16 PM (#3229662)
edit-killed double post
   93. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: June 23, 2009 at 07:18 PM (#3229668)
Sure you do--provided "just fine" is defined as not selling out playoff games.

Oh, man, remember when I was the one being accused of spouting cliches? Here's the thing. Atlanta sold out playoff games right and left for a little under 10 years. At the end of the run they, just like teams in Arizona and Houston and Chicago and LA, didn't sell out the first round games of the expanded playoffs. There has never been an NLCS or WS game that went unattended.

So yeah, maybe we got a little complacent there at the end. Sometimes ####### the same supermodel over and over gets old. That's the way of life, kiddo.
   94. SoSH U at work Posted: June 23, 2009 at 07:20 PM (#3229673)
Boston is in a win-cycle right now, yeah. They'll either peter out in a few years or buy more talent in the manner of some other team that their fanbase is incredibly thin-skinned about being compared to. None of which bears any impact on the conversation at hand. I'm trying to teach you buffoons some basic manners to display when visiting neighbors. Apparently your parents sucked at it.


Thanks, but i think I'll pass on Sam's Finishing School just the same.

By the way, I subscribe to Shooty's Post No. 63. Fans, by and large, are awful.
   95. tfbg9 Posted: June 23, 2009 at 07:20 PM (#3229674)
I'm trying to teach you buffoons some basic manners to display when visiting neighbors.


Oh, that's what you were doing in chatter the other day telling Sox fans to "go f*ck themselves" when they called you out
for whining about the umps to the point you suggested they had a Boston bias.
   96. Answer Guy Posted: June 23, 2009 at 07:21 PM (#3229675)
I'm trying to teach you buffoons some basic manners to display when visiting neighbors.


I don't recall ever hoping some umpire's kid gets cancer because he made a shitty ball-strike call.
   97. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: June 23, 2009 at 07:22 PM (#3229676)
Goofè Dean. Well, let's see, we have on the bags, Who's on first, What's on second, I Don't Know is on third...
   98. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: June 23, 2009 at 07:23 PM (#3229680)
I'm more interested in how Sam is able to show up every once in a while without it becoming a daily habit.
   99. tfbg9 Posted: June 23, 2009 at 07:24 PM (#3229684)
edit: removed overly harsh post
   100. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 23, 2009 at 07:25 PM (#3229685)
Naw, he's just funnin y'all.

edit: in deference to tfbbg9's edit.
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