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Friday, March 07, 2014

Fletcher: Angels find instant replay procedures not so instantaneous

And we’ll be right back after we sell a few cars.

That’s when things got interesting.

Angels manager Mike Scioscia came out to argue two things: that Trout had beaten the tag with his head-first slide, and also that Dodgers catcher A.J. Ellis had been in violation of the new rule prohibiting catchers from blocking the plate before they have the ball.

The rule about blocking the plate – rule 7.13 – is reviewable by umpires without using a managerial challenge. But while they are looking at it, they can also review whether the runner was safe.

Essentially Scioscia got a free challenge, which he lost, because the out call was confirmed.

“The first thing we look at when there’s an umpire challenge is whether he’s blocking the plate or not, or if the runner deviates from his path trying to score,” umpire Gerry Davis said. “But once we go for that reason, we can review the whole play.”

Scioscia said he’s under the impression that umpires have the discretion to review any play – even in the first six innings – without charging a team with a challenge, but Davis said they can only do that to review rule 7.13 or boundary calls for home runs.

For now, it’s all a little messy.

“It’s interesting because everybody seems to have a different take,” Dodgers manager Don Mattingly said. “Mike was interpreting it one way. Then, listening to the umpires, they seem to be interpreting it another way. It’s going to be a little crazy at first, especially that play at home.”

Repoz Posted: March 07, 2014 at 05:14 AM | 13 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: March 07, 2014 at 08:48 AM (#4667641)
Scioscia said he’s under the impression that umpires have the discretion to review any play – even in the first six innings – without charging a team with a challenge, but Davis said they can only do that to review rule 7.13 or boundary calls for home runs.

For now, it’s all a little messy.

“It’s interesting because everybody seems to have a different take,” Dodgers manager Don Mattingly said. “Mike was interpreting it one way. Then, listening to the umpires, they seem to be interpreting it another way. It’s going to be a little crazy at first, especially that play at home.”


Managers think the rules say something they don't, umpires think rules don't say what they don't say. Who is right? YOU DECIDE.
   2. Big Train Rollin' Posted: March 07, 2014 at 09:22 AM (#4667658)
How could a manager possibly be wrong? How is it possible?!
   3. Brian Posted: March 07, 2014 at 09:27 AM (#4667664)
The real culprit here is the third base coach. WTF is he doing sending Trout home on a play that will be that close in a Spring Training game? Is he insane? A head first sliding, plate blocking play involving the best player on the planet? Hold on, son. Stop right here.
   4. Lassus Posted: March 07, 2014 at 09:37 AM (#4667673)
I ALMOST agree with Brian, but wouldn't you want to get one close play in at the plate just so you're ready for it later?

OK, it's a pretty weak argument, but even so.
   5. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: March 07, 2014 at 10:16 AM (#4667705)
In the bottom of the first inning, Angels outfielder Mike Trout hit a sinking liner that Dodgers centerfielder Yasiel Puig missed with a diving attempt.

"Just not the right play," Mattingly said of Puig's dive.


Has any manager ever publicly criticized his best player as often as Mattingly has done it to Puig over the past year?
   6. JJ1986 Posted: March 07, 2014 at 11:04 AM (#4667751)
I think Puig's teammate Hanley Ramirez used to get criticized by Fredi Gonzalez publically.
   7. Natty Fan Posted: March 07, 2014 at 11:08 AM (#4667758)
#5 - I was thinking the same thing. I mean, this particular comment wasn't egregious. And in general, I could see Mattingly wanting to eliminate the appearance of any special treatment for Puig, especially in light of the (deserved) fanfare around Puig's rookie season. You don't want a player to think that he's above any coaching.

But at some point, a manager should keep the bulk of his criticism between himself and the player. If you don't trust him to not make crucial mistakes, you shouldn't put him out there so often. It almost feels like Mattingly is laying out the pitchforks and torches for the media and fans to pick up the moment this kid hits an extended rough patch. It's weird.
   8. Shredder Posted: March 07, 2014 at 11:49 AM (#4667812)
The real culprit here is the third base coach. WTF is he doing sending Trout home on a play that will be that close in a Spring Training game?
Hey, it's spring training for the coaches too. DiSar's trying to get that arm in shape for the season.
   9. Ron J2 Posted: March 07, 2014 at 11:53 AM (#4667820)
a manager should keep the bulk of his criticism between himself and the player


Different sport, but I like John Tortorella's approach here. Probably the most frequent line from any of his press conferences is, "I'm going to keep it in the room."

Nobody doubts that he holds players accountable for their actions (if anything the complaint is that he's too hard on his players) but it's hard to find anything on the public record.
   10. if nature called, ladodger34 would listen Posted: March 07, 2014 at 12:52 PM (#4667867)
Has any manager ever publicly criticized his best player as often as Mattingly has done it to Puig over the past year?


The local media (and the national media for that matter, too) is obsessed with Puig's mistakes. I do think it might be time for Mattingly (and Coletti) to go the route that Ron is suggesting. "We discuss that stuff in the clubhouse" and I think maybe some of the questions will stop.
   11. cardsfanboy Posted: March 07, 2014 at 02:15 PM (#4667903)

Managers think the rules say something they don't, umpires think rules don't say what they don't say. Who is right? YOU DECIDE.


Not that difficult. In the first six innings of the game. Replay is only through challenge calls, and homerun (boundary) calls(which are not challengable, but up to the discretion of the crew chief)

At the start of the 7th inning, if a team has a challenge, they have to use that, if they don't have a challenge, they can request a replay and the crew chief can decide to do it or not. (arguably the only good thing about this challenge system is that you aren't automatically without an appeal)

(And watching the game today Cards Vs Mets...and their announcers don't get the rule. Everyone keeps saying you have a challenge before the 6th inning... No... you have a challenge for the entire game, just after the 6th inning, if you had used up your challenge, you can still request a review)
   12. Al Kaline Trio Posted: March 07, 2014 at 02:44 PM (#4667931)
I'm pretty sure that headline writer really wanted to use that one so he/she just threw it in there even though it had nothing to do with the actual story.

</nitpick>
   13. Ron J2 Posted: March 07, 2014 at 02:56 PM (#4667948)
#10 They do pretty much stop with Tortorella because all reporters know that if they ask the same question again they're going to get some version of, "Are you deaf or just stupid".

He brings a fair amount of baggage, but his players know he'll always have their back covered in public and that's worth a lot. And negative press truly does not seem to bother him

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