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For Yankees, there’s Tanaka Day and there’s every other day | New York Post

Who could have foreseen a team filled with old, overpriced players could have problems?

Jim Furtado Posted: May 14, 2014 at 08:58 AM | 41 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: May 14, 2014 at 09:52 AM (#4706436)
Given that the Red Sox have the exact same record, I wouldn't be slinging stones from your greenhouse just yet, Jimbo.
   2. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: May 14, 2014 at 11:42 AM (#4706543)
'zop, I'm a Yanks fan and let's just say I'd prefer Sox management ran my team rather than the Cashman-Levine-Steinbrenner three stooges act we have going right now.
   3. Jim Furtado Posted: May 14, 2014 at 11:49 AM (#4706556)
'zop, how does that fix the Yankees' problem?
   4. Lassus Posted: May 14, 2014 at 11:57 AM (#4706560)
The Red Sox caught up to the Yankees? I did not realize that. Glad to help.
   5. simon bedford Posted: May 14, 2014 at 01:17 PM (#4706627)
the jays have more wins than both of them! not that a 40 game sample size says much . especially when the other two teams have played 2 less games,,,but still take that!
   6. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: May 14, 2014 at 01:23 PM (#4706634)
So far the AL East is delightfully unimpressive. I wouldn't be shocked if any of the five teams won the division.
   7. simon bedford Posted: May 14, 2014 at 01:26 PM (#4706641)
mark beuhrle at 7-1 is the biggest suprise on the jays in a positive light...the disastorous work of the bullpen the bidgest suprise in the negative sense,,,what qualifies as the suprises plus and minus for the rays orioles yankees and bosox so far?
   8. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: May 14, 2014 at 01:31 PM (#4706648)
For the Orioles, the biggest surprise minus is the fact that the offense has been horrible. Zach Britton has probably been the biggest surprise plus.
   9. Sonic Youk Posted: May 14, 2014 at 01:33 PM (#4706652)
The current, healthy version of the Red Sox feel like the best team in the division to me. All five teams would be embarrassed by a team like the Tigers in the playoffs, though, unless a major trade happens.
   10. formerly dp Posted: May 14, 2014 at 01:44 PM (#4706662)
mark beuhrle at 7-1 is the biggest suprise on the jays in a positive light...the disastorous work of the bullpen the bidgest suprise in the negative sense
They've been without their closer up until this week, so getting him back will help. But the steps back by everyone else are troubling. Buehrle won't keep this up, but there's some room for improvement from the rest of the rotation. This is a team that can score huge amounts of runs, though, and that should keep them in games.

Outside of the 3 in the AL East, there are currently 5 teams across MLB right at .500. That seems odd.
   11. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: May 14, 2014 at 01:44 PM (#4706663)
what qualifies as the suprises plus and minus for the rays orioles yankees and bosox so far?


The biggest surprise negatives for the Red Sox so far are Clay Buchholz and Daniel Nava. Nava looks like a guy who used all his pixie dust last year and even at Pawtucket is striking out a ton. Buchholz has a really high BABIP but velocity has been an issue. Unlike last year when it seemed everyone was either at or a bit above projections no one is really standing out so far. The biggest positive surprise has probably been Andrew Miller (except for last night) who has been throwing the hell out of the ball.

I know it's a bit gauche but I'll pimp the blog we run (the old Sox Therapy) because this specific issue was covered yesterday.
   12. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: May 14, 2014 at 01:49 PM (#4706668)
'zop, I'm a Yanks fan and let's just say I'd prefer Sox management ran my team rather than the Cashman-Levine-Steinbrenner three stooges act we have going right now.


Other than Oppenheimer, I have no quarrel with current Yankee management. With nothing coming up the pipe, with the way that baseball economics currently work, the Yankees were going to be mediocre for a while. It is what it is.
   13. simon bedford Posted: May 14, 2014 at 01:52 PM (#4706671)
Dp, i think Dickey has been having some bad luck, last night was a prime example, he got two more runs tacked on that he may well have taken care of himself, the pen just seems to be unable to prevent inherited runs from scoring on a consistent basis.
as for the closer role, Santos was long champioined as being able to do the job , clearly he couldnt, the anaylsists here thought loop could also do the job, and he realy couldnt either. i dont know that the jays can count on jansenn, being able to pick up where he left off in the past, if he can thats going to be great but it seems like some of the middle relief guys have taken a beating,,man i miss oliver!
   14. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: May 14, 2014 at 01:56 PM (#4706680)
Outside of the 3 in the AL East, there are currently 5 teams across MLB right at .500. That seems odd.


The whole American League, outside Oakland, Detroit and Houston, has between 17-20 wins. And the NL isn't much different.
   15. tfbg9 Posted: May 14, 2014 at 02:06 PM (#4706692)
All five teams would be embarrassed by a team like the Tigers in the playoffs, though, unless a major trade happens.

And, as I never tire of reminding some of you, the Red Sox won the WS last year.
They were a 100 win pythag team, in a strong division.
They were 20-8 on May 2nd, but were 45-33 come June 23rd; IOW, they went .500 for a 50 game stretch.
The most famous team in baseball history, the 2004 Red Sox, were 44-43 for an 87 game stretch that year. Then they got white hot, playing .739 ball through the end of October.

Let's be careful about jumping to any conclusions after only about 40 ballgames.
   16. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: May 14, 2014 at 02:08 PM (#4706693)
The most obvious positive surprise for the Yanks has been Solarte. The most negative surprise has been McCann who has been awful.
   17. simon bedford Posted: May 14, 2014 at 02:11 PM (#4706697)
i was gong to say about the tigers playoff chances,,,anyone around for the mariners record setting regular season remebers what happened come post season time. those of us of a greater vintage will remeber dreadful teams like the 73 mets making a run...or the 2003 marlins i suppose whos first half told very little of where they ended up
there must be better recent examples , but my brain is no working today
   18. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 14, 2014 at 03:02 PM (#4706768)
New Plan: (1) Tanaka goes 20-25 games above .500; (2) rest of staff breaks even or comes close. Could work, but right now, Part 1 seems the most realistic aspect.
   19. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: May 14, 2014 at 03:09 PM (#4706780)
The most negative surprise has been McCann who has been awful.

But he's been awful the right way
   20. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: May 14, 2014 at 03:12 PM (#4706786)
The whole American League, outside Oakland, Detroit and Houston, has between 17-20 wins. And the NL isn't much different.

There are 20 teams in MLB with between 17 & 20 wins. Last year at this time, there were 8
   21. valuearbitrageur Posted: May 14, 2014 at 03:25 PM (#4706803)
It should be no surprise McCann is having a tough year. He normally has to obsessively monitor and enforce the right way rules of baseball, now he also has added the Yankee Way, all those rules bouncing around in his tiny little brain at the same time can't be good for his actual game.
   22. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 14, 2014 at 03:27 PM (#4706804)
McCann's a 30-year-old catcher who has been worked pretty hard. This is what happens.
   23. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: May 14, 2014 at 03:44 PM (#4706819)
There are 20 teams in MLB with between 17 & 20 wins. Last year at this time, there were 8


19, but yes, it shows how weird this season has been. There are really only six teams at the extremes (Houston, Ariz. and Chicago on the low side, Oak, Mil. and SF on the high).
   24. rufus was here Posted: May 14, 2014 at 03:47 PM (#4706821)
Yanks positive surprises: Solarte, Betances, and (yes, a surprise), Texeira.
Yanks non-surprises, all negatives: Multiple injuries on this old old team.
   25. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: May 14, 2014 at 03:58 PM (#4706826)
There are really only six teams at the extremes (Houston, Ariz. and Chicago on the low side, Oak, Mil. and SF on the high).

also Detroit on the high side
   26. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: May 14, 2014 at 04:06 PM (#4706831)

also Detroit on the high side

True. I didn't realize they had played so few games.

   27. simon bedford Posted: May 14, 2014 at 05:23 PM (#4706921)
well i got answers for orioles yankees and bosox so thanks folks,the rays i am still waiting on, i thought they were the preseason pick to win it by many?
   28. Publius Publicola Posted: May 14, 2014 at 05:57 PM (#4706939)
The most negative surprise has been McCann who has been awful.


What about Jeter? I want to know what Yankees fans think of Jeter. You never see anything about him in the media.
   29. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 14, 2014 at 06:32 PM (#4706954)
Yanks positive surprises: Solarte, Betances, and (yes, a surprise), Texeira.

And, in a limited role, back-up catcher John Ryan Murphy, now at .407/.429/.556.
   30. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 14, 2014 at 09:39 PM (#4707052)
Tanaka living up to expectations tonight - 3 hits, no walks, 7 K, in 7 scoreless innings. At 92 pitches, but probably coming out for the 8th.
   31. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: May 15, 2014 at 12:12 AM (#4707122)
I know it's a bit gauche but I'll pimp the blog we run (the old Sox Therapy) because this specific issue was covered yesterday.


I thought I recognized that Nava line.

Tanaka has been great. I was uncertain about him due to the mileage on his arm and his declining K rate in Japan but he's been everything advertised so far.
   32. madvillain Posted: May 15, 2014 at 12:19 AM (#4707125)
The most famous team in baseball history, the 2004 Red Sox, were 44-43 for an 87 game stretch that year. Then they got white hot, playing .739 ball through the end of October...

Let's be careful about jumping to any conclusions after only about 40 ballgames.


ffs, holy sample bias. what about all the teams that were mediocre after 40 games that were mediocre all year? Those sorta happen more often than the "then they played .623 baseball the rest of the way..." cases.

edit: please tell me you're trolling? your whole post was full of win.
   33. tshipman Posted: May 15, 2014 at 12:44 AM (#4707135)
The most famous team in baseball history, the 2004 Red Sox


Jesus. I mean, I know that Sox/Yankees fans are self-centered, but really? Someone wrote this in seriousness?
   34. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: May 15, 2014 at 02:14 AM (#4707147)
Jesus. I mean, I know that Sox/Yankees fans are self-centered, but really? Someone wrote this in seriousness?


Nah, Teddy's just f*cking with you. He's never serious. Everyone knows the 2013 Red Sox are the most famous team in history.

edited for spelling
   35. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: May 15, 2014 at 08:26 AM (#4707185)
New Plan: (1) Tanaka goes 20-25 games above .500; (2) rest of staff breaks even or comes close. Could work, but right now, Part 1 seems the most realistic aspect.

I'll just repeat what I wrote in the OmniChatter.

Masahiro Tanaka: 2014 Yankees = Steve Carlton: 1972 Phillies. Outside of Tanaka, the entire April starting rotation is either a train wreck or on the DL.

------------------------------------------

Yanks positive surprises: Solarte, Betances, and (yes, a surprise), Texeira.

I wonder if anyone really expected Tanaka to be this good without any period of MLB adjustment.

And Solarte looks more and more like the real deal, both at bat and in the field. One early stat that I love: He's got more walks than strikeouts.

Yanks non-surprises, all negatives: Multiple injuries on this old old team.

For the umpteenth time, the Yankees gambled against the law of aging, and this time they've really crapped out. And now it turns out that Sabathia's knee injury is degenerative.
   36. Rants Mulliniks Posted: May 15, 2014 at 08:52 AM (#4707199)
Tanaka looks like a shoo-in for the CY already. It would be something if it came down to him, Darvish and Iwakuma.

   37. SoCalDemon Posted: May 15, 2014 at 09:57 AM (#4707270)
The most famous team in baseball history, the 2004 Red Sox


This seems ridiculous, but they do seem to be at least the most "googlable" team in history, based on the obvious candidates

"2004 red sox" - 1.25 million hits; "2004 boston red sox" - 679,000; total - 1.93 million hits
"1986 mets" - 40,000; "1986 new york mets" - 950,000; total - 992,000
"2009 yankees" - 41,000; "2009 new york yankees" - 693,000; total - 734,000

The 1927 yankees, 1939 yankees, 1967 red sox, 1986 boston red sox, 1998 yankees, 2001 mariners, 2008 phillies, 2011 cardinals all have under 500,000. The 1989 Athletics only get 67K :(

But more seriously, really, out of all the teams in baseball history, you would go with the 2004 red sox as most famous? Just among Red Sox teams, I think the 1967 and 1986 teams are still up there. Overall, its got to be the 1927 Yankees, right? (and I am saying that as the furthest thing from a Yankees fan).
   38. simon bedford Posted: May 15, 2014 at 09:59 AM (#4707274)
mark beuhrle and his shiny 7-1 record politely disagrees rants
   39. Nasty Nate Posted: May 15, 2014 at 10:03 AM (#4707277)
For the umpteenth time, the Yankees gambled against the law of aging, and this time they've really crapped out.


You said this all last year, and they won 85 games. Over .500 teams haven't "really crapped out," although they may in the future.
   40. Blastin Posted: May 15, 2014 at 10:37 AM (#4707320)
They're all of .5 games out of first, and no one else looks like a world-beater in that division. They've got a whole host of issues... but... it's May 15th, and they're .5 games out. I'm gonna take the "wait and see" approach and enjoy Tanaka/Solarte.
   41. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: May 15, 2014 at 11:50 AM (#4707417)
I wonder how the all time famous team ranking would look. I'd put the 1927 Yankees on top, but I'm not sure the 2004 Red Sox wouldn't be up there in the top 5-10. And then there's the question of how much the post-season counts, because that helps the Red Sox a ton but will also push the 1986 Mets up high as well.

I also wonder how a single season list and a dynasty list would vary- the Mantle era Yankees are mega-famous but I'm not sure any individual season sticks out to me.

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